- Queues for support, -Doesn't buy sightstone
No vision gameplay = Thanks for the free loss, jackhole.
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Jon11746 votes
<----- see these? anyone can get them and use them
MatthewRT26 votes 
dont exist anymore
Dominick Destine4 votes
I wish they did, I used to buy Greater Yellow all the time, given that I could never reliably get non idiot supports that thought they'd carry the game with their epic full AP build.
ScissorsNstuff3 votesnot good enough
Jon11743 votes <----------
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Tsugaga5 votesnot good enough <----------
It is when all 5 players use them efficiently.
ScissorsNstuff1 votesThat's 5 slots though and 5x gold denial. Why don't you just steal the adcs cs and compete aggressively with your team for kills while you're at it.
And even then with everyone using those theres still a lack of vision that could be handled by sightstone which is far more dynamic than that item especially when the counterwarding happens.
Tsugaga4 votesThat's 5 slots though and 5x gold denial. Why don't you just steal the adcs cs and compete aggressively with your team for kills while you're at it.
And even then with everyone using those theres still a lack of vision that could be handled by sightstone which is far more dynamic than that item especially when the counterwarding happens.
5 slots and 5x gold denial? Equate that to taking CS and securing kills? That attitude is why nobody wants to play support. Do you know that there used to be no ward limits? Also that Riot added ward limits to make warding a team effort? Riot intends for all 5 players on each team to use control wards and trinkets. Sightstone is just a support item which can give a team some extra warding capabilities, but at the cost of something else, maybe rushing a Locket would have been much more useful. Support only "MUST" get Sightstone because non supports aren't good enough teammates. Non supports act the least like a teammate while yelling at supports to act most like a teammate.
ScissorsNstuff3 votes5 slots and 5x gold denial? Equate that to taking CS and securing kills? That attitude is why nobody wants to play support.
Your poor fun isn't going to make the big mean math go away. Riot "could" but the current iteration has not dealt with this so deal with it.
Do you know that there used to be no ward limits? Also that Riot added ward limits to make warding a team effort?
Hurray! But then they also added sightstone and made counterwarding impractical as shit.
riot's intentions don't always work out
Riot intends for all 5 players on each team to use control wards and trinkets. Sightstone is just a support item which can give a team some extra warding capabilities, but at the cost of something else, maybe rushing a Locket would have been much more useful. Support only "MUST" get Sightstone because non supports aren't good enough teammates. Non supports act the least like a teammate while yelling at supports to act most like a teammate.
Nothing anti-team about it. Just because I'm telling you to get a sight stone doesn't mean or even imply I have no intention of warding. That's just a strawman, its an assumption of the most ridiculous situation possible for your own convenience.
If they have sightstone and you don't there is a information disadvantage there but this is also true if they have 2 and you have 1.
But one player is typically charged with handling this job and if he doesn't and can't even be bothered to say he's going to refuse to then fuck him.
Tsugaga2 votesYour poor fun isn't going to make the big mean math go away. Riot "could" but the current iteration has not dealt with this so deal with it.
Hurray! But then they also added sightstone and made counterwarding impractical as shit.
riot's intentions don't always work out
Nothing anti-team about it. Just because I'm telling you to get a sight stone doesn't mean or even imply I have no intention of warding. That's just a strawman, its an assumption of the most ridiculous situation possible for your own convenience.
If they have sightstone and you don't there is a information disadvantage there but this is also true if they have 2 and you have 1.
But one player is typically charged with handling this job and if he doesn't and can't even be bothered to say he's going to refuse to then fuck him.
There is no big mean math. Control wards don't cost much at all, and if you believe they do then missing 2 less minions in your games would make up for it.
I point out Riot's intention to show that Sightstone isn't required and that vision control is a team job.
ScissorsNstuff2 votesmissing too many minions? Better trade in damage for a consumable that probably wont increase your cs in most cases. You can compensate for this by taking hits to your starting setup so that that asshole in botlane can feel like an edgy supports' rights activist.
And yes, vision is a team job. You're still an asshole if you go support and don't build it then don't even bother to mention this because you know good and damn well youre doing something bad to your team.
Then theres those assholes who say "build your own sight stone" 20 minutes in like they haven't already gimped the hell out of our team and theyre giving us some grand challenge like I wont just build it out of the sheer desperation that piece of shit has left us in.
Like seriously, if you're gonna be an asshole and not build sightstone at least say something as early as possible. Don't wanna hear that "its a team game game" bullshit 40 minutes in with wukong + yasuo giving us the cheese shaft everytime we try to advance because their team had an ss and better coordination. They shouldn't get both advantages, especially when support could solve the problem at the lowest cost!
Tsugaga2 votesmissing too many minions? Better trade in damage for a consumable that probably wont increase your cs in most cases. You can compensate for this by taking hits to your starting setup so that that asshole in botlane can feel like an edgy supports' rights activist.
And yes, vision is a team job. You're still an asshole if you go support and don't build it then don't even bother to mention this because you know good and damn well youre doing something bad to your team.
Then theres those assholes who say "build your own sight stone" 20 minutes in like they haven't already gimped the hell out of our team and theyre giving us some grand challenge like I wont just build it out of the sheer desperation that piece of shit has left us in.
Like seriously, if you're gonna be an asshole and not build sightstone at least say something as early as possible. Don't wanna hear that "its a team game game" bullshit 40 minutes in with wukong + yasuo giving us the cheese shaft everytime we try to advance because their team had an ss and better coordination. They shouldn't get both advantages, especially when support could solve the problem at the lowest cost!
That's why I said miss 2 minions less, then you might not be missing too many.
Yes, some players who play support are toxic, same with any role dude. And yes that type of behavior is bad, but we're on the League Boards, not 40 minutes into a game on the same team, chill out.
Bottom line is that warding is a team job and is meant to be a team job. Sightstone is only so significant because it's usually a massive vision boost DUE TO nobody else doing their part. Even if a support controls vision 100% to their ability, they still can't use teammate trinkets or place a control ward for them, every player needs to do their part in the team effort of controlling vision.
LordGeovanni1 votesyou ward the bushes you keep yourself alive you stay alive you can cs more. increased cs.
ScissorsNstuff1 votesNot enough increased cs to compensate for the lack of damage you're dealing because you keep having to keep gold for these easy to destroy wards.
LordGeovanni1 votesyou telling me that stating in lane because you survived a gank cant net you 2 minions / 4 minions if you let the ward die. you cant just leave the ward alone If you get the jungles attention and they come after you but you escape thats worth more than 200 gold all across your team as you are pulling jungle and not giving them anything. and when its just the enemy laner getting the ward stop him you should at least take half their health before they take the control ward just by auto attacking them skills not even included if they really want it and force them to back shove the wave into their tower and deprive them of more than 4 minions. you arent loseing out on any damage for 75 gold unless you are just bad or intentionally missing out on it.
ScissorsNstuff1 votesI can't read your post. I am American and only speak English.
But based off what I think you said,
will get that job done just fine.
that's not why support needs to get that damn sightstone. Though granted it would be nice if I didn't have to be the one to both provide damage midgame AND be the one who has to watch dragon so the second player in bot lane can keep jerking off.
LordGeovanni1 votesYou cant read because you wrong and dont want to admit it so you feign illiteracy.
if will get the job done just fine dont bother support for sight stone. and when the enemy clears your wards and use your warding totems as a free bank you end up either with no wards or feeding the enemy gold through wards you lose either way.
LordGeovanni1 votesif you cant spare 75 gold to ward the jungle and deny the enemy vision you deserve to die over and over and over.
ScissorsNstuff1 votesof course I can afford 75 gold. Its dedication to doing this over and over so that asshole in bot lane can be edgy that I can't afford.
You seem to be assuming the enemy isn't going to do anything, what happens after they find that ward, kill it and simply dare you to engage with that missing item you never got. Meanwhile their support is making sure they know if you are going to bring extra firepower or not because theirs isn't an asshole.
LordGeovanni1 votesif the enemy is killing the wward you should be killing them it takes 2-4 seconds to take the ward if you cant do any enough damage with 2 seconds of free damage you cant even stand under your tower. obviously if you have a vunrable ward you stand ready to defend it from the takeing it for free and to run if the enemy jungler comes in. most of which runs straight past the ward because they still think they can get the kill and they want a bigger pay out than just 30 gold
ScissorsNstuff1 votesI'd love to kill them but I blew my cash on vision (that is now getting rek'd) instead of damage. Furthermore I mentioned that it could be destroyed, not because I'm unwilling to defend it, but because of the burden of having to defend it and thus there are the limitations of placing one. And yes there's also the gold you feed to the enemy whenever you place one in a place where it is obviously going to be useful since they are obviously going to find it most of the time.
LordGeovanni1 votesWhat damage item for 75 gold you couldnt buy because you had to but vision? Well then?
ScissorsNstuff1 votesI'm either staying in lane longer than necessary and putting myself at risk for 75 gold or I'm giving up my 
in favor of 
or something else. As the game goes on that's going to change how much farm I actually end up having which is going to cost me additional gold especially after I have to go get more wards
But in addition to this I also have to spend time placing the ward which is going to cost me additional gold and is also going to place me in more danger.
But in addition to this I don't have the luxury of just spamming whatever utility I happen to have to save myself because doing so isn't my job and my champ probably wasn't designed to do such a thing.
But in addition to this my warding item offers NO stats while the one available to supports actually offers hp and cooldowns.
Like I said, if you're gonna be an asshole just tell your team so someone else can get the damn sightstone. In most cases I'd be better off getting a sightstone on a midlaner than depending on a to do the job for me. That thing isn't an excuse for support to be a cheap asshole.
LordGeovanni1 votessaveing 800 goldfor something else is being a cheap asshole but 75 gold is a big deal to buy a ward. by your standards you are being over 10 times an asshole by not buying
Dominick Destine3 votesThat attitude is why nobody wants to play support.
No. People don't want to play support because it has the lowest influence on the team's chance of victory.
But not buying sightstone is a huge detriment, almost guarantee defeat.
Tsugaga3 votes[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PrB84pWV,comment-id=00020001000000000000000100000001,timestamp=2016-12-11T02:48:13.865+0000)
No. People don't want to play support because it has the lowest influence on the team's chance of victory.
But not buying sightstone is a huge detriment, almost guarantee defeat.
Lowest influence yet cause an almost guaranteed defeat? Bit of a contradiction there. People don't play support because nobody wants to be whined at all game by ungrateful brats who themselves don't play support.
Dominick Destine2 votesLowest influence yet cause an almost guaranteed defeat? Bit of a contradiction
No.
Playing to lose as any character in a team game can cause an almost guaranteed defeat. Good try at conflating one fact with another though.
Tsugaga3 votes[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PrB84pWV,comment-id=0002000100000000000000010000000100000000,timestamp=2016-12-11T03:33:09.109+0000)
No.
Playing to lose as any character in a team game can cause an almost guaranteed defeat. Good try at conflating one fact with another though.
Huh? I quoted you. Good luck with your attitude.
Dominick Destine1 votesHuh? I misquoted you.
Fixed.
ShaolinToilet1 votesGoing to reply here because your post or the thread got deleted. I only have one thing to say. I love how you say bronze MMR when your MMR is gold 3. Do you really believe you are gold 3? You think the MMR system is correct? I don't care what your past seasons prove its a completely different game now and op gg claims your MMR is gold 3.
ShaolinToilet2 votes"bronze level player" same thing as bronze MMR. I'm actually in silver 3 and climbing though.
ShaolinToilet1 votesIt's pointless trying to reason with someone who only lives to argue lol.
LordGeovanni1 votesNot buying sight stone isnt playing to lose if the gold can be used for something more urgent. everyone wards in the right place and the map is bright enough to see anything. sight stone only forces you back every 3 mins for wards and if you dont you sit on no charges until you do which is worse than just useing yellow trinket
ScissorsNstuff1 votesI'll kiss your ass for building sightstone when you kiss mine for building rabadons.
If Ahri becomes a support ill be a support main. I have no pity for people who play support ad I sure as hell hate when ppl think they should get rewarded for playing support. If you want a pat on the back you build a fucking sightsstone
Tsugaga1 votesI'll kiss your ass for building sightstone when you kiss mine for building rabadons.
If Ahri becomes a support ill be a support main. I have no pity for people who play support ad I sure as hell hate when ppl think they should get rewarded for playing support. If you want a pat on the back you build a fucking sightsstone
You say that like it's enticing. Nobody needs you to kiss their ass and nobody needs you to pat them. Nobody said anything about pity or reward, just show some respect. You want good supports yet you have no respect. Even if you choose to be an asshole, you can at least not be stupid at the same time. Don't shit talk or rage at people or start any drama. If you don't have something nice to say then don't say it. If someone isn't building Sightstone then "Sightstone might help" or something similar is okay, just don't say more and start whining/ranting/bashing.
You're honestly not a pleasant person in my opinion from my interaction with you.
ScissorsNstuff1 votesYou say that like it's enticing. Nobody needs you to kiss their ass and nobody needs you to pat them. Nobody said anything about pity or reward, just show some respect.
"ungrateful brats who themselves don't play support."
sounds like a little more than respect is expected here.
You want good supports yet you have no respect. Even if you choose to be an asshole, you can at least not be stupid at the same time. Don't shit talk or rage at people or start any drama. If you don't have something nice to say then don't say it. If someone isn't building Sightstone then "Sightstone might help" or something similar is okay, just don't say more and start whining/ranting/bashing.
Its not ok and its even less ok if you decided not to include the team in that probably terrible decision you made
You're honestly not a pleasant person in my opinion from my interaction with you.
Why would I be pleasant with a guy who condones not building sightstone? I bet you kick dogs.
Tsugaga1 votes"ungrateful brats who themselves don't play support."
sounds like a little more than respect is expected here.
Its not ok and its even less ok if you decided not to include the team in that probably terrible decision you made
Why would I be pleasant with a guy who condones not building sightstone? I bet you kick dogs.
Yeah sure, anyone who doesn't build Sightstone on support is trash and should uninstall. Good luck in life.
ScissorsNstuff1 voteswhy uninstall, its not THAT hard to stop being a bad person
PermabannedGaren1 votesIt is when all 5 players use them efficiently.
A team that makes efficient use of their trinkets but has no sightstone will be at a disadvantage against a team that makes efficient use of their trinkets and has a sightstone on top of that.
Guyy Fieri1 votes
Of corise they can but what happens if, say, mid and ADC get blue, jg/sup get red, you are left literally two stealthed wards that can be hidden...you try safely covering entrances to jungle or flank routes with two stealth wards, it's impossible
BeatzBoyFTW1 votesMe: Supp, pls ward here.
Douchebag Support: Trinket on cd.
Me: Aww, but with Sightstone with 3 or 4 charges, you dont have to worry about cooldown, wouldn't you?
Rebonack3 votesIf Riot remade Sight Stone as a basic 400 gold item with no stats, and then made upgrades for it that would be attractive to every champion class, would you buy it?
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grug2 votessupport isnt even hard to play, all you have to do is buy the sightstone and put down wards (preferably all of them before you back)
nobody really cares what most supports do after that because the expectation of them is already exceedingly low especially in low ELO hell.
MatthewRT21 votesdont oppress me this is a free country i can play support with smite and ghost that doesnt build sightstone if i want to
WhiperSnapers2 votesno one is saying that you cant play that way, their just saying that you would probably be easier to beat
Sona x Rubick1 votesLol
you're welcome, i think you're my favorite adc main now
Dominick Destine1 votes[{quoted}](name=Sona x Rubick,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PrB84pWV,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2016-12-11T22:54:58.268+0000)
i think you're my favorite adc main now
"ADC main" Never go full renekton.
LordGeovanni1 voteseveryone buy sight stone then we can all have more vision and deny the enemy any.
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