Oh talon just all ind me at lv 2

Did you know Talon is responsible for 25% of first bloods?

Does Kat scale better than Talon in teamfights because her ultimate can affect an entire team while Talon's just makes one poor motherfucker not play League of Legends?

Simple counter to that.

Don't get in range to be hit twice with w.

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Talon's range is so much less than Kat's and he needs to hit his W twice so there is a difference.

How do you let that happen? Sounds like a skill issue.

To be fair, there are plenty of champs who can all in around lvl 2-3. It's just knowing he can do it makes it clear to be careful.

If you don't respect Talon's level 2 powerspike, it's your fault.

They should just nerf his numbers until he can’t all-in at level 2, then buff him from there. It’s an unhealthy, hidden source of power. And I’m saying this as someone who has learned to respect it.

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Remember when they nerfed katarina twice for being able to do that. Ecks fucking deeeeeeeeeeeee

Pick Lissandra against him. Your Q range is superior to his, you can keep him off you with W, and you can use your E to outplay him if your clever about it. Your ult is your bread and butter against his, since you can self-cast if not under turret, and if you are under turret, he'll be visible due to truesight and then you can just burst the hell out of him and he'll be stunned for a substantial amount of time.

Don't act like this is new; he has been able to level 2 cheese very efficiently ever since his rework over a year ago.

Talon is known to take first blood level 2 if you don't respect his powerspike . if he chunked you down with 1 or 2 W's before his level 2 it's honestly an easy kill .. lol . Even without proccing the passive if you didnt get hit by W twice , he can just flash on you to get the empowered damage .

Must be silver/gold/llow plat elo to complain about it i guess .. :/

Talon has one of the strongest laning phases, and if he wins lane he can snowball extremely well in to mid-game. Late-game he becomes literally worthless, whereas Katarina only gets stronger.

Lmao OP, what are you crying about. It's not like he did that at level 1. We can take a look at this in the next patch though. Should buff ignite's early damage, healthy playstyle and all.

yea ,talon lvl 2 all in is prety op.

Kata's e has significantly more range than talons q. Most ranged champions in midlane are able to pick up farm/harrass all while staying out of talons q range, making a talon all in impossible. But this is a lot more difficult against kata.

I agree that talon is too strong right now, but the opressiveness comes from his insane waveclear + roam ability (especially considering how important scuttle is).

If you complain about talon's all in at level 2, all I can say is: get better at league and stay out of his range.

Lets go over the scenario in which this happened.

You got in range for Q, (which isn't a great argument) and got hit by both procs of W.

If he jumps first, theres a much wider opening to dodge one or both parts of W.

If he W's first, its lower than Q range and is a huge telegraph that hes going to jump, and you can still dodge the second hit.

I play a bit of talon, and its not always successful.

I was laning vs talon, he hit lvl 3 and my jungler was in the river, so i see him leave an instantly i follow up but you know he flips over the blue wall the gromp wall and the wall leading to bush in top lane an first bloods my jungler. like lvl 3 an he just flipped over 4 walls. only problem i have with talon is his E.

Oh Talon just all ind me at level 2, but I was playing mid and he got himself killed.

Who were you playing?

"Let's just complain on the boards instead of learning the power spikes of champions and the points at which I should be careful."

Talon's level 2 all in is hella telegraphed, just be careful when he kills the 7th minion.