without understanding how changing something can and will affect other roles/champions.
are prime examples of why buffing Lethality to make Talon better, actually made the game less healthy... Also Talon can be over-the-top strong now...
(not saying the change was solely made to impact Talon btw, just an example of an intended champion to be buffed by the changes)
MissingKayo4 votesMore like going to show why ranged champions are the reason melees can't have nice things.
Rabblerouser3 votesOr they can do what people suggested around the time of Black Cleaver Lucian: make these items less efficient with ranged attacks.
Stephenizgod2 votes^ This would be nice
Rabblerouser1 votesStill some issues with it. Would Zed/Talon's ranged abilities still have lethality? Maybe just restrict full efficiency to melee autos and spellcasts (so Zed Q can still work with it)? But then spellcaster ADCs like 
and I'm not sure if 
builds Lethality but yeah.. spellcaster ADCs wouldn't be hit as much. 's Q would still hurt but at least it's not that spammable. It's her R that would hurt.
Champs that benefit from too heavily from Lethality would have to be rebalanced around it, which essentially forces them into only ever playing the Lethality build because changes to their stats will likely make their alternative builds EVEN WEAKER than they already are.
Rabblerouser1 votesWell if they gave some love to peel supports, we could actually help you against those terrors but... it seems like supports are constantly knocked down. Going tank support is suicide in this meta, so your options are these AP supports everyone's complaining... about just to peel off MFs with damage... and that's a damage war you'll find hard to win.
But I think the idea here is to buff the Lethality assassins and then nerf the ADCs who abuse it? The downside is I think ADCs will then be FORCED into the Lethality build since its just better, it seems. :/ MF already built lethality well before the buffs to it, which puts here pretty far over the top now.
Stephenizgod1 votesMF was the answer to Malz and Zyra and such, which is why she was already in the meta... Now with the Lethality buffs she is just disgusting.
It's just funny how "diversity" is a big thing with Riot and yet everyone and their momma is building 
because there is like no downside to building it on pretty much any AD champ. My friend has been building full Lethality on Garen mid lane and regularly goes 20+ kills because his Flash+Q does well over 1000 damage after getting a few items.
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Stephenizgod1 votesTrue, but still the reasonable posts are always out-numbered and over-shadowed by the unreasonable ones.
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Stephenizgod1 votesspam posting "JAYCE OP NEED NERF" is not the same as explaining how buffing Lethality and not nerfing Jayce is a bad idea. I rarely ever see well thought out posts explaining why and how. All I ever see is "Rito balance team kys you suck game is terrible." Hence why I said "reasonable" and "unreasonable".
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Stephenizgod1 votesI gave an example of an unreasonable way to say Jayce is OP.
They said the reason they didn't nerf Jayce (and Camille) was because when they released the last patch they didn't have the data that showed how OP he was, which is why they are nerfing both of them in this current patch. Whether they are effective or not remains to be seen, but that is beside the point.
I understand getting annoyed that something OP isn't being nerfed specially when it is as blatant as Jayce, but the degree to which people get angry is a bit ridiculous. Go play something else if you really hated Riot Balance team that much, no one is making you play. If that game is so bad and unplayable, why are you still playing?
See what I am saying? Its unreasonable to whine and cry and call Riot's Balance team names.
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Stephenizgod1 votes...ok