"ADCs will always be broken as long as they are mandatory."

Skorch·Jan 16, 2017·2 votes·425 views

No... just no.

ADCs arent even mandatory, how do i know? Because most mages are getting more playrate bot than Marksman.

The reason ADC is a ROLE filled (mostly) exclusively by MARKSMAN, is because it ensures that AT LEAST 1 person is known to be "THE DAMAGE" because other roles can be way WAY more diverse. Marksman only exist to do damage and be focused around their team.

I dont like playing ADC, It just isnt my role but YOU CANT USE "at least 1 out of 1/6th of the roster is in every game" AS AN EXCUSE TO IGNORE BALANCING.

I trust riots analytics team a HELL of a lot more than people on the boards to know wether or not champions are weak.

And you know what I GODAMN missed laning against lucians.

18 Comments

SGT Dingle BerryJan 16, 20171 votes

Uh, dunno where you've been seeing "more mages than marksmen bot", but it's definitely not in LoL. A single mage with extremely mixed results has been played bot because some Korean did it, aside from that and the random TF it remains marksmen dominate.

Since most people don't understand the value of objectives it's easy for them to believe mages, or anyone for that matter, can replace marksmen, but the bottom line is they have the most consistent DPS out of all the classes. DPS is meant to be sustained damage, so taking down turrets, dragon, baron etc are their bread and butter.

Now the REASON they are doing so poorly in season 7 is their lack of farm due to fast dives and FB tower coming early removes the ability to farm somewhat safe from a farm reliant class. Couple that with these tanky "fighter" types who can 3 shot an ADC who has to 15 shot them. There's that and the fact that 90% of supports are auto fill.

SkorchJan 16, 20171 votes

I wasnt saying why they are weak (although there is more than just ziggs going bot now)

Just the fact that the gameplay boards, the boards that are SUPPOSED to discuss balance. Are PERFECTLY FINE with casting off 1/6th of the roster because "They dont like them"

DynikusJan 16, 20171 votes

Because most mages are getting more playrate bot than Marksman.

yeah, no they're not.

SkorchJan 16, 20171 votes

Let me rephrase that "Mages are getting increasing playrate in the bot lane"

B00B00Jan 16, 20171 votes

Ziggs has been bot due to his ability to nuke towers, nothing more nothing less, Malchazar is bot due to his zoning potential slows and ultimate stun as a support pick.

who else has been seen bot?

the reason why not really any other images are viable is because of the ADC"s abilities to take objectives FAST mages don't have that same speed, barring ziggs and TF bot has always been a Niche thing.

SkorchJan 16, 20171 votes

It is still an increase, mainly do to the fact that ADCS CANT FIGHT THEM. But instead of trying to help ADCs we get "Lul its okay if its not balanced because fuck ADCs" That mentality is just downright dumb.

B00B00Jan 16, 20171 votes

well why is it not ok? you get AD mids and AP mids and tops and jungles, why can't you have AD and AP bot lane ''carries'' (so to speak)

it is an increase sure but he is only there due to having a satchel that executes the turrets once you have combo'd lich bane proc + passive onto it. remove the satchel execute he will be dropped from bot lane and there is no AP to take his place.

and as for not being abel to fight him, yes you can he is largely dependant on landing his poke maybe think outside the box and take Varus to poke back, or be patient on jhin and get Essence reaver then one shot zigs with your passive crit shot?

you can fight fight him, its annoying but he is really not un-balanced.

SkorchJan 16, 20171 votes

The problem isnt that hes there, the problem is hes working there because ADCs are soo bad right now and the boards dont want to balance them for the reason of "i dont like them"

It doesnt matter who you like and dont like BALANCE = BALANCE

B00B00Jan 16, 20171 votes

I don't disagree but i also don't think there in as bad a spot as a lot of people make out but they definitely are not strong right now.

out of curiosity what do you think is making ADC's weak at the moment?

SkorchJan 16, 20171 votes

The Meta. The current strategy. This would be fixed with a tower adjustment not exactly the adcs themselves. But ADCs usually build for late game, and since the current meta is jungler heavy with the Mid roaming bot this causes most ADCs to never get strong barring a few exceptions.

Basically this meta is Bully the ADC so they are useless and win the game off of that. Thats why currently its "lose bot lose game" only not because the enemy laner is strong but from everything else.

B00B00Jan 16, 20171 votes

Yeh i agree here too, i lost 3 won 1 last night, in 2 of those losses i lost the bot lane and it was noticeable that i was useless more so than other seasons, the win and my previous winning streak has been granted by outplaying ganks and positioning well enough to turn the tide and gain XP/CS advantages and first turret gold, last night it didn't go to plan.

1 of those games was vs a ziggs botlane and unfortunately i had a DC but during those 3-5mins of reconnecting my team had gone 2/28 and had 5 turrets destroyed, it was shocking, now i knew i would be behind but i had no idea the the team would of crumbled so badly, needless to say i probably would not of been able to do much that game anyway.

sucks being an ADC main right now but then again it is SO rewarding when you turn and deny ganks and waste the enemy junglers time, hehe.

SkorchJan 16, 20171 votes

Honestly i cant stand playing ADC but seeing how badly they are being abused for no good reason (other than free elo) kind of sucks

AhristocatsJan 16, 20171 votes

you again? let's see what bs you brought this time

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The reason ADC is a ROLE filled (mostly) exclusively by MARKSMAN, is because it ensures that AT LEAST 1 person is known to be "THE DAMAGE" because other roles can be way WAY more diverse. Marksman only exist to do damage and be focused around their team.

wut? marksmen aren't the only class bringing damage, they're played bot everytime because no one can lane against them in 2017 everyone realised it...except you

try to lane with any melee that brings damage to the team and see what happens in 2v2

SkorchJan 16, 20172 votes

No offense but this has so little context i have a seriously hard time understanding you.

What i gathered though is, (while no shit ranged can outrange melee) Melee ADCs are still able to be viable bot lane depending on who they are.

NO SHIT THERE ARE OTHER DAMAGE TYPES OTHER THAN MARKSMAN, the point of marksman though IS TO DO DAMAGE and they cant lane alone because they are very vulnerable to ganks then. The point of ADC is to signify AT LEAST 1 PERSON to be focusing on damage, so that in shit like tank metas, the tank that went ADC at least built triforce or some shit first.

AhristocatsJan 16, 20171 votes

still not explaining why they are picked in 99% of games unlike other damage classes like juggernauts who bring nothing but damage and trade range for tankiness

SkorchJan 16, 20171 votes

Because juggernauts (while doing a lot of damage) dont have the consistancy ranged dps champions have.

Marksman (for the most part) are the only champion pool that deal damage over a period of time, mainly because their main focus is auto attacking.

And if were being honest there are plenty of people out there who complain about ADCs being MANDATORY bot lane when in all likliness the only reason that is is because people dont want to try to change the meta in fear it wont work.

And do you know what else is picked in 99% of games because it increases winrate? Tanks, Some form of AP damage, Supports, CC. Its called a comp. ADC is just the only role that has a very finite consistent set of champions.

AhristocatsJan 16, 20171 votes

Yes they do, at least darius and morde they do more damage than any adc except fiew that are hyper carries

but jax/yi/yasuo/trynd/fiora/gp and any hard carries can keep up in damage while bringing other utility

the truth is that they can't lane against the overpowered laning phase of adcs when it comes to 2v2

SkorchJan 16, 20171 votes

NOT DAMAGE, Consistant damage, there is a difference you know.

Also the reason you keep saying 2v2 is because the SUPPORT is what you are scared of as since you are saying it that implies that ADCs laning phase is overpowered NOT 2v2 also.

Thats the thing a marksman NEEDS a support (with exceptions)

And depending on your support there is NO reason you shouldnt be able to kill marksmans as jax/yi//yasuo/etc...

All you did was clarify Marksman are only scary when they have a support with them.