Is Olaf a juggernaut, diver, or a melee adc?

Pyrithegethon··2 votes·1,019 views

His ult screams dive, his Q and E say juggernaut, and his W says he has melee adc type sustain.

What is he actually? Is his kit not defined into what he is truly supposed to be or am I not looking at this correctly?

And if he doesn't have a defined kit for what he is supposed to be, will buffs fix it or will he need a minor rework?

18 Comments

Nahui1 votes

No such thing as a diver.

Tank, Juggernaut, Fighter, Mage, Assassin, ADC (Marksman) support. Bruiser can be substituted for juggernaut.

He is a juggernaut. His ult gives him tankiness naturally except when used. He builds mostly tanky and outputs shit tons of damage. His ult gives him movement speed so he can actually catch a target.

xBushx5 votes

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No such thing as a diver.

Tank, Juggernaut, Fighter, Mage, Assassin, ADC (Marksman) support. Bruiser can be substituted for juggernaut.

He is a juggernaut. His ult gives him tankiness naturally except when used. He builds mostly tanky and outputs shit tons of damage. His ult gives him movement speed so he can actually catch a target.

Really when, it's up for debate if "Diving fighters" will be rewored next...

Do you follow Red posts??

TehNACHO3 votes

Did you not read the Dev Blog?

Dive Fighters (Divers) are an officially recognized Fighter subclass.

Nahui1 votes

Oh so like Vanguards, Wardens, Enchanters, Disruptors, Battle Mages, slayers, skirmishers? Lmao..

Riot can call it all they want. This is something they're trying to start, not something that'll stick colloquially. No one's going to call Leona a Vanguard and Shen a Warden. They're tanks. No one's gonna call Zed or Yasuo a slayer. They're going to call them assassins and fighters. And don't get me started on controllers, enchanters and disruptors. They're going to be called supports lol.

In the end, you can try and divide into subclasses for cute identification purposes, but they will be known as tanks, ADCs, mages, assassins, supports, fighters, and Juggernauts. Bruisers were renamed into juggernauts because it was a name flop that made more sense for what they did. No one's ever going to say "We need an enchanter bot lane" or "Need a warden bot lane". We need a tank or an AP. Simple as that.

TehNACHO1 votes

And Juggernauts.

You really can't keep making fun of Riot and/or me about arbitrary naming measures when Juggernauts and Bruisers also have always been Fighters. If you want to act like the superior figure in this argument, you're not but let's play with that facade, you shouldn't contradict yourself.

Nahui1 votes

Fighters have always just been melee ADCs, bruisers accounted for the ones that were required to build tanky self proclaimed by people, therefore becoming colloquial. Riot just finally put an official name to it. The word bruiser came from what a bruise is, being something hitting hard and hurting, but not at an incredible rate.

Things like Disruptor, enchanter, controller: Those are Riot trying to enforce a subclass system somewhere it does not need to be and will not be used. Like I said, people, not Riot, referred to tanky fighters as bruisers. In fact, bruiser was not a recognized term by Riot. That was all players. Riot called them fighters. Finally, they applied the name Juggernaut as the word "bruiser" wasn't quite professional. No one will say "We need a vanguard/warden". We need a tank.

POINT IS: This post highlights the problem of this subclass system. Yes, Olaf is a diver for a short window of time. However, if his ult is on CD, he is no longer a diver. Now he is a juggernaut. See the issue? Shyvana is a diver only once every while. She performs this "dive" function in a mathematically insignificant portion of time in the game. She is mostly a juggernaut for most of the game.

This is opposed to someone, like Riven who can constantly dive due to her mobile kit, or Yasuo and his ult.

AlwaysByMySide1 votes

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No such thing as a diver.

Tank, Juggernaut, Fighter, Mage, Assassin, ADC (Marksman) support. Bruiser can be substituted for juggernaut.

He is a juggernaut. His ult gives him tankiness naturally except when used. He builds mostly tanky and outputs shit tons of damage. His ult gives him movement speed so he can actually catch a target.

Juggernauts are defined by their difficulty in diving the back line with reliability due to being immobile and easily peeled.

Olaf is virtually impossible to peel, and has very few problems reaching the back line.

He's a diver.

Big Lincoln1 votes

he's a fighter

he's a pretty shit juggernaut, he needs more AD than what titanic and cleaver provide

WoonStruck2 votes

I guess you don't know how to play Olaf then.

All you need is Cleaver for damage. You get more than enough AD from your ult to kill a carry.

Its more that titanic just isn't that good on him.

Big Lincoln1 votes

olaf works better with lifesteal items

WoonStruck1 votes

Olaf doesn't build any lifesteal items...He already has lifesteal. Quite a bit of it too. In order to double your lifesteal (let's face it, the only significant return), you have to build 2 lifesteal items.

You now blow up instantly. GG.

His W+HP/resists is the best way to go. The AD he gets from solely cleaver and his ult gives him more than enough sustain in a fight.

Meep Man2 votes

Only item I buy that has life steal on Olaf is item 3074 sometimes since it makes his life steal AoE. Otherwise, yes, he really doesn't need more. He needs defenses so his life steal is difficult to out damage.

ProfDrDeath1 votes

And guess what is getting a rather decent buff next patch?

CoolKnightST1 votes

Juggernauts are fighters. Currently the fighter class exist out 2 categories:

  • Juggernauts: Darius Nasus
  • Divers: Vi XinZhao

It feels like Olaf is more a hybrid between the 2. He doesn't really have mobility besides his ult, but the cc immunity kinda gives him dive potentional. He also builds way more offensive oriënted than the traditional juggernauts.

Venowolf1 votes

Melee adc I suppose is something like skimirsher I suppose. But you are something right he has a little bit of all these subclasses but is juggernaut the subclass the has more in common with Olaf stats and kit. He deals tons of damage and resist a lot too, but he has a lot of problems trying to reach his targets so this define or put him very near to the juggernaut definition, the same with Mundo and Shyvanna both are juggernauts too. Nasus, Mordekaiser, Garen, Darius are the juggernauts that we know and I suppose that Illaoi and the new Yorick too, so Olaf is similar to all those in some way

Randomonium1 votes

I thought with his win rates as low as they are he was just free gold for the enemy team.

Wînter Fox1 votes

He's a chugger. Of beer.

IcyPepper1 votes

juggernaut, diver, or a melee adc

One of these are not like the others.

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