Since Riot is ramping up the VGUs even more...

Electro522··31 votes·16,802 views

How about we make a list of champs that we, as a community, feel needs the VGU treatment the most?

I'll split this list into different tiers, following the gaming grading system (S, A, B, C, D). The higher the tier the champ is in, the more in need they are of a VGU.

Now, this first batch of champs will be of my opinion, and may not fit the opinion of the rest of the community. That's why I will leave this open to suggestions. If you feel I made a wrong choice somewhere, or a certain champ I missed really needs to be placed in a tier, let me know and I'll tweak it!

Just remember that this list will represent the views of the community, and not Riot. No matter how much we try and tweak it, it may very well not even come close to Riot's list.

But with that said, let us begin, shall we?




#S Tier

The S tier of champs are champs that have effectively been forgotten in League. They have extremely poor playrates (mainly only being played by dedicated one tricks), and win rates tend to stagnate well below the 50% line for months, or even years. Before their updates happened, this is where both Yorick Yorick and Urgot Urgot would have been placed.

https://img.fireden.net/v/image/1506/44/1506445358198.jpg ##Mordekaiser

You all knew this was coming. Anyone remember how Urgot's popularity only existed because he was so damn bad? He was, hands down, the worst champion in League for a REALLY long time, and his popularity was lifted due to him being basically a meme.

This is where Mordekaiser is right now. He may not be the worst champion in League, at least, but his eventual VGU has become so ingrained into our minds (mostly thanks to the efforts of Malicious Metal), that all of us are eagerly waiting for that announcement.

Unfortunately, the only reason why Morde hasn't been reworked yet is because Riot doesn't really know what to do with him. The only thing they do know is that they will be keeping his theme.......but kit wise? He will likely still be a juggernaut, but how his kit will actually play out is anyone's guess.

http://www.lol-wallpapers.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Fiddlesticks-by-dw628-HD-Wallpaper-Fan-Art-Artwork-League-of-Legends-lol.jpg ##Fiddlesticks

Another champ that good ol' Malicious Metal has been clamoring for is our favorite scarecrow...........and I have to agree with him.

Put simply......Fiddle has not aged well. In our high mobility meta, it's very strange that a champ would have more than half of his kit reliant on standing still. His kit is also a weird amalgamation of a tank's and a mage's, all crammed into a squishy frame. He's meant to engage, but can hardly survive when he does; he's meant to have alot sustain, but Grievous Wounds exist; he's meant to be a jungler, but works best as a support..................Fiddle is just a mess.

http://leagueofpictures.altervista.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Pantheon-and-Leona-League-of-Legends-Fan-Art.jpg ##Pantheon

Yes.....I know MM has also called for a Pantheon rework, but that is not why I'm putting him up here.

Pantheon is actually one of the champs that Riot has talked about wanting to rework quite a bit in the past.........and it makes sense as to why. Pantheon has evolved into being more of an assassin instead of being the penultimate fighter (that title, at the moment, goes to Riven). Not to mention that his kit is considered to be one of the most toxic in the game. Being a relic of League's earliest days, his kit still has 2 point and click abilities (something that is quickly being fazed out), and the only skill expression it offers is being able to place your ult in the right spot...........and even that isn't all to difficult ("Are enemies in this location? Yes? Drop on them.)

https://art-of-lol.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Malzahar-League-Of-Legends-Fan-Art-1.jpg ##Malzahar

You know.......I almost forgot about Malzahar.

Oh boy........where do I begin? The mage update did not treat him well......Malz has been turned into this monstrosity of a champion that really has no place at all in League. His kit just breathes toxicity.......point and click DoT damage, point and click ranged super cc, and a built in Banshee's Veil for his passive.

I don't think I need to say much more.........this champ needs a complete reimagining.


#A Tier

Thankfully, we only have 4 champs that are in S tier. You may disagree, and if you do, I want you to take one hard look at the roster...........besides those 4, who else is in such dire need of a rework...........besides Nunu Nunu (since he just got announced)?

The A tier of champs are champs that haven't necessarily aged well, but can still work to some degree. No one will be surprised to see them be reworked, but no one is also really calling for their rework. Due to her being announced awhile back, she can't be on this list, but this is likely where Akali Akali would go.

http://www.lol-wallpapers.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/ChoGath-by-jorcerca-HD-Wallpaper-Fan-Art-Artwork-League-of-Legends-lol.jpg ##Cho'gath

A few people mentioned that Cho'gath should be on the list. I personally disagree, but this is meant to be a community list, so.....

Here is Ryusaether's explanation as to why:

"Chogath , while in a decent spot balance-wise (after passing through his monstrous winrate after Stoneplate came out) is still pretty underwhelming compared to his thematic potential. You have a world eater monser that just walks and creates spikes, wow. And his model and animations are pretty outdated, he could be so much more."

https://img00.deviantart.net/e25a/i/2011/248/d/f/dr__mundo_by_yubigd-d48x5wt.jpg ##Dr. Mundo

What if i told you that MUNDO was once the king of tanks..........back in Season 4. Ever since he lost that crown, it's jumped from champ to champ, but that isn't to say that MUNDO used to be unmatched.

Today, however, he's in need of some help. He can still do quite well in the right hands, but it's just that he can't keep up with the current roster........literally. Tanks today are CC machines; if they don't have at least 2 or 3 abilities that can lock down a priority target, they generally won't perform very well..........and MUNDO's only form of CC is a decent slow.

He is the definition of a meat shield..........and the game right now simply doesn't call for just meat shields right now.

https://static.lolwallpapers.net/2015/08/Ezreal-Fan-Art-By-Pixiv.png ##Ezreal

Surprised? Well.....there is one reason, and one reason alone that I put Ezreal in the A tier category...............his Q.

Mystic Shot has been a thorn in Riot's side for a VERY long time. Every time they release a new item or mechanic that works with on hit mechanics..........Ezreal comes around and breaks it because of Mystic Shot. His most recent crime is that of Kelptomancy. When the new runes were released, he was easily the strongest ADC in the game because of that rune........and Mystic Shot procing it every 2 seconds.

There is so much power packed into his Q, that the rest of his kit suffers for it. His W is basically only used to proc spellblade, and help take objectives (kind of), his E is mainly used as a get-of-jail-free card, and his ultimate is mainly used for clearing waves of minions.

Put simply, this ability needs to go.......and with it gone, the rest of Ezreal's kit could be more heavily fleshed out.

https://pre00.deviantart.net/fe4c/th/pre/i/2015/094/0/2/kalista_fan_art_by_jasontn-d8oftww.jpg ##Kalista

Come on......admit it Riot..........she needs a fullscale rework.

Kalista is in a very precarious state.......if Riot buffs her even slightly, she starts to dominate the LCS.........and thus, they're forced to nerf her, leaving her in an awful state for solo queue. But can you blame the LCS? Consistent free mobility, free roaming wards, awesome objective control, the ability to save a teammate, and the ability to have said teammate engage on the enemy team........even if the champ they are playing can't engage on their own. Seriously, she is an LCS team's wet dream!

At the moment, she is in an........ok spot, which is the only reason why she isn't S tier right now. But, needless to say, she will eventually need that rework.

http://www.lol-wallpapers.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Malphite-by-DanMaynard-HD-Wallpaper-Fan-Art-Artwork-League-of-Legends-lol.jpg ##Malphite

Another champ that a couple people asked for. This one I can agree on.

Again, Ryusaether gives a good explanation as to why:

"Malphite is a fucking moving rock, quite literally. He's not engaging to play as nor against, boring uninteractive laner and an ult-bot. Plus his design and skins are pretty shallow and could benefit an overhaul in every aspect, like making him the anti-ad he should be by giving him an armor shield and not a generic shield and things like that, other than a funnier playstyle. Ofc not every champ has to be the outplay master like Irelia or the likes, but I think everyone can agree that he's boring as hell."

https://img00.deviantart.net/73ac/i/2012/010/1/3/nocturne_fanart_by_4dollar-d4lz505.jpg ##Nocturne

Several people suggested Nocturne to be here. However, I'll let GorrilaBearz (who was the first to suggest him) explain why.

"Well for starters Nocturne is extremely outdated, not only in his one-dimensional kit but also his visuals minus his eternum skin, which even that is starting to show its age. He is very feast or famine, if ahead can insta-burst a squishy with a point and click long range ultimate, but if behind gets blown up instantly if he dives anywhere into a team fight, making him almost completely useless. Either way, his kit is very binary with hardly any depth in any of his abilities, he’s basically a ball of stats which doesn’t leave much room for interaction for his enemies. Just a lot of problems all around, and not to mention he has one of the coolest (imo) thematics in the game but with him being so dated his visuals and everything just don’t do him justice."

https://img00.deviantart.net/bfdb/i/2013/046/9/9/quinn_by_yy6242-d5v07ag.png ##Quinn

I think you know you done goofed when an ADC becomes primarily a top laner.

Quinn, much like quite a few others on this list, suffers from an identity crisis.........is she a marksman, or an assassin? At the moment she's.......both? Her laning matches that of an ADC, but come mid to late game, she shifts to being an assassin.

Essentially, Quinn needs her identity to be solidified as one or the other........and I think the general consensus is to solidify her as an assassin. This means stripping her of everything that is meant to help her as a Marksman, specifically her W and maybe her passive.

Now, admittedly, I am not very familiar with Quinn. If there are any dedicated Quinn mains out there that would like elaborate on this further, by all means, please do. That said, I think we can all agree that Quinn needs some help.

http://www.leaguesplash.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Royal-Shaco-Ch.jpg ##Shaco

The only reason why Shaco is this high is because Riot has stated that he is quite high on their list of champs to be reworked, and all of the tweaks he has gotten in the past have only proven to alienate him further.

In my opinion, I think he's more deserving of a B tier ranking, since Riot has been able to get him into somewhat of an ok spot. But, I will admit that his kit could use some cleaning up, not to mention that his theme in general could use a pretty a big overhaul.

Similar to Quinn, I am not all too familiar with Shaco......so, if any dedicated mains out there could help elaborate on him, it would be appreciated.

https://art-of-lol.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/44c72944292171e3fb5f5078f4c933bc.jpg ##Tryndamere

You are now looking at my most hated champ in the game.

I despise Tryndamere. i hate that the most effective strategy for him is to never leave his lane. I hate that he can get out of most bad situations so damn easily. I hate that no matter what you do to him in lane, EVENTUALLY, he will come back, and 2 shot your carries, OR your towers.

So, yes, his ranking right now might be inflated due to my opinion of him, I will admit to that. However, I know everyone can agree that he should be high on Riot's list of champs to rework. Sure, he may not need the work done right now, but eventually........please........rework this champ.

https://img00.deviantart.net/32d8/i/2016/039/a/3/lol_fan_art_varus_by_berylcirclet-d9qztdy.jpg ##Varus Suggested by Darkin Hybrid

He wrote a REALLY long reason as to why, so, instead of copy/pasting him, I'll link his comment here

https://img00.deviantart.net/af4f/i/2013/038/8/0/iceborn_volibear_by_kirikaito-d5u442t.jpg ##Volibear

Now, now.........even though he recently had some work done, this doesn't mean he no longer needs a rework.

In fact, if I'm not mistaken, his recent work was only to put him in a somewhat decent place until Riot could get around to reworking him (and it certainly did that, according to how Voli mains reacted to it).

Essentially, Voli's kit just doesn't belong in today's League. He's meant to be a tank, but has kit more fitting for a Juggernaut. Also, now that his lore was updated with Ornn's release, he is now even less representative of his demigod fantasy. He should feel overwhelming, as if he will bring down the fury of the Maelstrom down on top of you........but right now? He feels like a normal Polar Bear.

http://www.lol-wallpapers.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Wukong-by-lancer0519-HD-Wallpaper-Fan-Art-Artwork-League-of-Legends-lol.jpg ##Wukong

The amount of calls for a Wukong update has been growing steadily over the past few months........and with good reason. Before recently, Wukong was always middle of the pack......he could perform decently in the right hands, but was never top of the meta. Now, however, he struggles in most situations.

He has some of the best engage opportunities in the game, but can hardly survive to really act on those engages. So, similar to Pantheon, he's evolved into more of an assassin, but with far less tools to actually assassinate people.

That said, he still isn't as dire in need of rework as our S tier champs.......but over time, he will continue to slowly fall into that category.


#B Tier

Now.....if you've read this far.....don't worry, I'm not going to give a paragraph for every champ. In fact, from here on out, I'm only going to list the champs in every tier.

B Tier champs are those that have aged decently over the months and years, but as time goes on, it becomes quite evident that eventually they're going to need some work. They don't need it now, certainly not as much as the S or A tier ranks, but.........eventually.

http://www.lol-wallpapers.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Amumu-by-Hozure-HD-Wallpaper-Artwork-Fan-Art-League-of-Legends-lol.jpg ##Amumu

https://img00.deviantart.net/eff9/i/2016/312/4/d/anivia_wallpaper_by_xlzipx-danq6sp.png ##Anivia

https://orig00.deviantart.net/920e/f/2017/051/6/d/lol_diana_fanart_by_callergi-d8sb3al.jpg ##Diana Moved up from C Tier as suggested by Derpyon

"Personally, Diana needs to be B at the very least

She's also suffers from a semi identity crisis she's a diver, that acts more like an assassin. She lacks the tools to really survive in the later portions of the game to fit a diver like the likes of Camille ,XinZhao but she can't exactly afford to invest much into defence. She has high base stats for a 'assassin' though. She has very high burst damage, but she lacks the tools for escape so you have to hope that your W will pull you through the barrage of pain you'll endure.

Personally, if she sees work, I'd love to see more emphasis on her passive, and whole heretic solari theme."

https://art-of-lol.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Jax-League-Of-Legends-Fan-Art.jpg ##Jax

https://art-of-lol.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Karma-League-Of-Legends-FanArt.jpg ##Karma

https://pre00.deviantart.net/c333/th/pre/i/2015/027/5/f/league_of_legends__karthus_in_oilpaint_by_skimoenderrusso-d8fmwbf.jpg ##Karthus

https://static.lolwallpapers.net/2015/07/Kayle-Fan-Art.jpg ##Kayle

https://pre00.deviantart.net/6b1e/th/pre/f/2015/259/1/e/kindred_by_vegacolors-d99uuf1.jpg ##Kindred

https://pre00.deviantart.net/09b1/th/pre/f/2016/254/e/1/morgana_league_of_legends_by_chubymi-dah8s6d.jpg ##Morgana Suggested by nm1010

"I've played only around two dozen games this season on her, but she is probably at her strongest in years for mid lane. At 1-2 items q w is one shotting people, gank assist with q e and r is pretty toxic imo.

If she stays under the radar I would put her in B tier (needs work eventually, but fine for the moment). If she starts to see widespread play I would bump her into A. She is highly uninteractive in lane and with her mid game spike she could easily become very problematic."

https://orig00.deviantart.net/40cc/f/2012/120/d/e/rumble_by_inkinesss-d4y4csc.jpg ##Rumble

https://orig00.deviantart.net/8a6c/f/2013/324/1/0/battle_cast_skarner_by_akiman-d6v00wy.jpg ##Skarner

https://art-of-lol.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/league-of-legends-vladimir.jpg ##Vladimir


#C Tier

C tier champs are those that people would likely be kind of surprised to see an update come through for them. However, when they think of it, they then realize that........yeah, they could have used some work. Before her update, this is where Fiora would have went.

https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/007/663/846/large/konstant-g-k-rb-corki.jpg?1507694297 ##Corki

https://pre00.deviantart.net/3112/th/pre/f/2015/007/9/a/league_of_legends_elise_fanart_by_sickbrush-d8cz52o.png ##Elise

https://pre00.deviantart.net/c915/th/pre/i/2013/068/9/f/hecarim_by_leekent-d5xjhol.jpg ##Hecarim

https://orig00.deviantart.net/0456/f/2012/337/3/3/jarvan_iv__fan_art_by_zionenciel-d5n005p.jpg ##Jarvan IV

https://img00.deviantart.net/544b/i/2016/103/a/1/kennen___the_heart_of_the_tempest__fanart__by_crowdel-d9yszil.jpg ##Kenen

https://static.lolwallpapers.net/2015/07/KogMaw-Fan-Art.jpg ##Kog'maw

https://art-of-lol.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Lissandra-League-Of-Legends-Fan-Art-1.jpg ##Lissandra

https://img00.deviantart.net/4bcf/i/2016/287/6/1/master_yi__fan_art__by_lionsketch-d72jsr1.jpg ##Master Yi Suggested by Kadexe

"I feel like Master Yi is left out for no real reason.

  • He's the worst offender of "champions that stomp low elo, but are useless against players that work as a team."

  • He's awful to play against if he's not shut down. Legit the only counterplay is 1) CC him so hard that he's not even really fighting you, or 2) use spells and items like Zhonya or Kayle ult to delay his reset so he can be killed. Everything comes back to "just don't fight him."

  • 3/5ths of his abilities are just stat buffs and steroids. It's a very uninteractive kit.

He needs a rework, and I say that as a very vocal Yi main."

https://orig00.deviantart.net/db3f/f/2014/150/c/a/sona___league_of_legends_by_ofskysociety-d7kdjmj.jpg ##Sona

https://img00.deviantart.net/e10e/i/2016/241/5/0/lol_fanart_syndra_by_orekigenya-dafoypt.jpg ##Syndra (There is a TON of awesome Syndra fan art.......I suggest you check it out)

https://pre00.deviantart.net/f40b/th/pre/f/2016/147/b/3/tristana_by_vegacolors-da40hrc.jpg ##Tristana


#D Tier

And finally.....our last tier. These champs are those that, as of right now, could use some work. However, they've been good in the past, and the meta may very well conform to their play style. Due to this, they may not need any work at all, and if they do get some significant work done, it would be a bit of a surprise.

https://static.lolwallpapers.net/2016/07/57938035f3f2d-932x620.png ##Fizz

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ARNu5XDDrHQ/UwMh_nzW_AI/AAAAAAAABqc/Elw_RgIf1Bo/s1600/Gragas-League-of-Legends-Wallpaper-full-HD-1.jpg ##Gragas

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/7/77/Ivern_promo_05.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160922000326 ##Ivern

https://img00.deviantart.net/281d/i/2016/154/f/2/dark_star__lucian__by_wandakun-da4vfw7.png ##Lucian

https://img00.deviantart.net/194c/i/2013/224/2/b/rammus_by_waltrex-d6htj2w.jpg ##Rammus

https://img00.deviantart.net/589f/i/2016/022/7/5/renekton_by_apocalypse_tr-d9oy3tn.jpg ##Renekton

https://img00.deviantart.net/c5ef/i/2016/324/0/7/viktor_fan_art_by_jasontn-dap1lgl.jpg ##Viktor




And that's it! Remember, if you happen to have a champ that you believe should be put somewhere, or if you feel I made a mistake somewhere, let me know!

Now.....before you go on commenting, let me just say.......no, Yasuo, Zed, and Riven do not need work......they are fine.

Thanks for reading!

87 Comments

GreenLore13 votes

Actually they gave us a list of Tier1-candidates not too long ago.

DrMundo Corki Chogath Fiddlesticks Kayle Kennen KogMaw Nocturne Mordekaiser Nunu Pantheon Rammus Skarner Shaco Udyr Volibear

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/Q30wxkKg-new-roadmap-reav3-can-you-give-us-an-update-on-the-tier-1-vgu-list-you-mentioned-one-year-ago?comment=0001

And tbh,I'd agree with that list a bit more,because you include some champs who do need a gameplay rework,but are really in no need to get a VU,so they could use a GU like the one that was originally planned for Aatrox,but they don't need a full VGU.(for example Kalista,Karthus or Kindred). And in general I'd disagree with some of your placings(for example I feel like Kennen and Rammus should definitely be higher on the list,and Cho'gath isn't even on the list at all?)

Ultîma1 votes

The fact Riot hasn't included Tryndamere in their list really baffles me. He's easily in my top 5 champions that have a gameplay pattern that's so antiquated and degenerate that it makes me want to gouge my eyes out and I refuse to believe a lot of people don't feel the same way.

GreenLore1 votes

He used to be on the list,but the list isn't set in stone,there are always changes from time to time and so someone might get pushed back or increase in priority eventually,so I guess Trynda would likely be very high on the Tier 2 list.

That being said,I'm also surprised that he isn't among the Tier 1 candidates anymore

Mandalorian 1178 votes

I agree with almost everything on this list. However, what’s wrong with Ivern? He’s a fairly recent champion and he has a very specific role, style, and theme. What needs to be changed? But I do think Malphite need to be on the list. He’s ok right now, but he very annoying and like Necrit said “all he is right now is his ultimate. Everything else is either not that useful beyond laning or uninteresting. Even his lore needs work. As of now he doesn’t exist”

Gamer Gallade6 votes

Janna is one that could use a massive overhaul in terms of reworks. her kit is broken in terms of design and is by far one of the most nerfed champions to exist.

as side from that. she's old as league can get.

Electro5221 votes

Which tier do you think she belongs in, and why?

Divewing2 votes

In terms of balance urgency, S.

But janna herself performs her intended function acceptably so that it could drop her to D.

Janna's a kind of special case I feel...

redniwediS5 votes

Just keep in mind ADC is a position, where as Marksman is a champion class. I personally feel it is fine if Marksmen come top lane, so long as they are balanced around top and not balanced around being an ADC.

Basically what I'm saying is Quinn is welcome up there because she's not a great ADC, but other Marksmen who currently have a place in bot lane shouldn't be allowed to go up there.

I like a lot of your other points though, particularly with Kalista.

xÞeke4 votes

karma

Valor Bot4 votes

Essentially, Quinn needs her identity to be solidified as one or the other........and I think the general consensus is to solidify her as an assassin. This means stripping her of everything that is meant to help her as a Marksman, specifically her W and maybe her passive.

Agree with this; Quinn is unique in that she's one of the few ranged AD assassins in the game, and this aspect of her identity should be preserved as it harmonizes really well with her theme as a ranger. Also, the concept of a justice-seeking Demacian assassin with a hawk is just freaking cool.

On the topic of her W, I don't think it needs to be removed unless you're referring to the passive that gives her attack speed. The active reveal is otherwise a pretty thematic ability that could benefit from some mechanical changes/improvements -- as a scout, Quinn should be really good at providing vision and hunting down the enemies she finds.

ZackTheWaffleMan3 votes

Personal opinion: Zoe Yeah, yeah, she was just released. I think her kit is cancerous, that's all.

Tomoe Gozen1 votes

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Personal opinion: Zoe Yeah, yeah, she was just released. I think her kit is cancerous, that's all.

It really isn't, especially when they adjusted it. It's perfectly reasonable not to like a champion (not everyone likes the entire roster) but it isn't justifiable to remove a champion based on personal reasons.

Kelg3 votes

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Mcsquzzy2 votes

edit to add 5 more cause this irritates me to have that corner empty

ModJikker1 votes

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Mordekaiser Mordekaiser Mordekaiser Mordekaiser Mordekaiser

Hey,

I've edited your post down. Walls of icons are considered spam and a violation of the Universal Rules. Next time, just post a few instead of a bunch.

I do agree though, Morde deserves so much need VGU love <3

If you have any questions about this edit, please come to the Moderation Discord or create a discussion on Discuss the Boards.

Thanks

[poppy-wink]

Kelg1 votes

{quoted}

Hey,

I've edited your post down. Walls of icons are considered spam and a violation of the Universal Rules. Next time, just post a few instead of a bunch.

I do agree though, Morde deserves so much need VGU love <3

If you have any questions about this edit, please come to the Moderation Discord or create a discussion on Discuss the Boards.

Thanks

[poppy-wink]

oops my bad [sg-zephyr]

BLIGHTBRINGER3 votes

Varus A tier.

His kit, his theme, his lore and just about everything just doesn't work all together to make sense. Some parts of him need to be changed to make sense and I will be stating those things below.

Quick note: This is response is coming from a 3 year Varus Main.

Right let's start from the beginning.

So he is considered to be these following things: Hybrid Marksman, High Range Sniper.

Passive: Living Vengeance

I really dislike this passive, it just feels like a typical, boring Attack Speed steroid that other Marksman similarly have when they kill something. He has potential to have a more interactive, unique and interesting passive. The name of the passive proves to be so.

Q: Piercing Arrow

In lore he is continuesly using his Q to kill most if not all enemies, and that has been his iconic ability since his release, it's what made him unique and stand out than the rest of Marksman. However I feel like the release of Kai'Sa (another Hybrid Marksman) puts Varus to shame, she has everything and does everything better than Varus besides the CC. Her Q actually feels really effective, since it has really high AD scallings, Varus Q also has high scallings but his damage is reduced when it comes in contact with more than one enemy (basically nullifying any damage you deal) and the poke style he has/had just became/become really ineffective since his Q was nerfed several times such as; increasing the cooldown, lowering AD scalling and it just got worse even worse when everyone could just sustain so easily with previous Warlords Bloodlust or the current Fleet Footwork, allowing enemies to heal up any damage you do/did to them. With Kai'Sa however she has longer range on her W, scales with both AD and AP and deals more than 60% of the enemies health and the cooldown is reduced even more if she hits someone allowing her to spam that ability, which brings me to my point that she does what Varus does just better which in this case is poking.

W: Blight Quiver

There is no mention of Blight (his W passive) or him spreading corruption (his R) in lore. Don't get me wrong I like that, because that's the hybrid side of Varus. But I just wish that the blight side of his kit wouldn't have all the power focused on that, I would like Varus to actually deal damage with his other abilities without needing to always proc blight stacks. Kai'Sa can build On-Hit, AP and AD all together and still outdamage Varus with her abilities even if he went full AD. He is so bad to build AD along with Crit that every pro who plays him would build On-Hit (before Rageblade Varus was meta) so like building BORK + Witts End + Runaan's Hurricane + Infinity Edge + GA which was good for a while until it slowly became useless. Then some people have been noticing the efficiency of building On-Hit Varus with some AP (Rageblade). Rageblade was the item that made Varus a viable Marksman and generally a good pick back then, since before he has had a 48% winrate before the On-Hit and Rageblade with AP became a thing and was considered to be a really bad Marksman back then. AP Varus became strong due to his W having crazy AP % Max Health scallings, and it actually started off as an offmeta thing until it became this massive thing that people began abusing. This got so big to the point where people would just straight up build Rageblade and full AP from there to delete everything when proc'ing blight stacks. Riot has noticed the power of this and gave Varus W an Active while nerfing W Passive On-Hit damage to make him use his iconic ability Q more often than just AA someone to death which is great, I like that.

E: Hail of Arrrows

His E is what I dislike most next to his passive, his E feels so useless (really bad scalling damage, delayed damage) and due to this it's only used to proc blight stacks and it's maxed first because of the slow it gives. It just feels like a such a boring, basic ability and it just makes me think that this was added for the sake of filling in the empty space in his kit. I can't remember if there was a reference to his E in the lore. But I would love to see this ability get replaced with something else.

R: Chain of Corruption

His R is good, I have no issues with it. Would like some better visuals for it though along with the W stack visual update.

There's one other thing in lore he was described as a mad killer who torments his enemies before closing in for the kill with his Q. Either suggesting that he is fast, or that he is able to outrange so far that he can attack safely.

The current issues:

  • Is a hybrid who has the option to build flexibly but it's pointless and inefficient to do so.
  • Being high ranged is no longer a unique element in the game and he became outclassed in this category.
  • Too much power and emphasis on the Blight side of his kit, and abilities alone have little to no effect.
  • Get's outclassed as a hybrid by any other hybrid (Jax who can build AP, AD, On-Hit while dealing relatively lots of damage, the same for Kai'Sa).
  • Passive quite a dull self-buff attack speed steroid.
  • Has no mobility (presumedly traded for the damage power he has).

Not to mention I would love a new fresh Varus with a new in-game model with Q, W and R to be kept and for him to have a new passive and new E ability. Better animations, visuals and sound effects. Since soon all the Darkin will be fresh in terms of being new and updated and Varus will be the only one who will be forgotten and left like this.

Sukishoo3 votes

I have to disagree with most all of that list.

Riots list given a few months ago https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/Q30wxkKg-new-roadmap-reav3-can-you-give-us-an-update-on-the-tier-1-vgu-list-you-mentioned-one-year-ago?comment=0001 is clearly the most accurate depiction of what champions should be looked at. Jax is really the only one on the list that you have that is placed where we last heard he was.

Your list has a ton of new champions that do not need VGUs such as Kalista, Quinn, Karma, Karthus, Elise, Liss, Syndra, Sona, Tris, Ivern, Lucian. Most of which newer champions or have had a small VGUs / VUs in the past, so their visuals are pretty decent. If anything was done to most of them, it would be a GU.

Electro5224 votes

Remember......this is OUR list....not Riot's.

They have their list.......we have ours.

NemeBro4 votes

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Remember......this is OUR list....not Riot's.

They have their list.......we have ours.

And both lists forgot one of the biggest pieces of shit in the game.

Garen Good guy Garen.

Garen is nothing short of dogshit. At least a champion like Yi can claim to be a low elo pubstomper. Garen is weak at low elo, and even worse in high elo. His laning power was stripped from him for one of the most toxic mechanics in the game. The Villain mechanic punishes Garen's laning opponent for smart macro play if they roam and manage to get a kill. Once they return to lane however, they find that Garen's true damage now shreds them like butter, making them perform worse than before they snagged their lead in lane. That is why Garen can't also be allowed to have a powerful laning phase. But because he's a slow sack of shit with no gap-closer, minimal CC, and relatively pedestrian damage, he falls off late game as well.

Garen fulfills no function, he has no strengths. He's been one of the weakest champions in the game for quite a while now, with his rework giving him like a month of power before he was made even worse than before.

I'd honestly place Garen at S tier. At least some of those guys are generally playable.

SpongebobIsLife3 votes

wow how did Garen not get placed? He should be S tier.

I think if Riot can make a very very easy to play champ like pre-rework Warwick into the current, still easy to play, but viable in all elos Warwick, I see no reason why they can't do the same thing to Garen.

ZaneShadow2 votes

my list (outside of the current ones on scheduel) Mordekaiser Kayle DrMundo SkarnerAmumu

These are champs that whenever I see, their abilities and themes are either Ryze levels of problematic, or don't synergize well together.

nm10102 votes

I think you forgot Morgana, binary champion who is currently sleeper op mid imo.

GorillaBearz2 votes

Where the fuck is Nocturne ? He deserves to be in A tier at the least in my opinion.

Electro5221 votes

Alright. Mind to give a more clearer reason as to why?

GorillaBearz1 votes

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Alright. Mind to give a more clearer reason as to why?

Well for starters Nocturne is extremely outdated, not only in his one-dimensional kit but also his visuals minus his eternum skin, which even that is starting to show its age. He is very feast or famine, if ahead can insta-burst a squishy with a point and click long range ultimate, but if behind gets blown up instantly if he dives anywhere into a team fight, making him almost completely useless. Either way, his kit is very binary with hardly any depth in any of his abilities, he’s basically a ball of stats which doesn’t leave much room for interaction for his enemies. Just a lot of problems all around, and not to mention he has one of the coolest (imo) thematics in the game but with him being so dated his visuals and everything just don’t do him justice.

SnugglePuggle942 votes

Karma needs to be S tier. She's been heavily neglected the past few years, even more so after her failed mini rework.

Elegant Egoistic1 votes

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Karma needs to be S tier. She's been heavily neglected the past few years, even more so after her failed mini rework.

i cant agree more !!

Bârd2 votes

Teemo His passive is fine, but has been made a lot worse by the introduction of Shimmer. His Q is a polarizing spell; against AA centric champs, it's incredible. Against spell centric champs, it's trash. His W was great back in the day (and it's still very good), but mobility creep has made a speed boost like this not enough to deal with most of the threats in the game. His R is a cool spell, but often feels unfair to play against. On the flip side, the combination of red trinket and ingenious hunter turns the mushrooms into free gold for the enemy support.

Hell, the game has even evolved to counter his DoT's. item 1054 item 3211 and Second Wind make people heal tons whenever Teemo attacks them. item 3194 cause tanks to take negligible damage from Teemo, especiallly if it's a DrMundo because of his E.

I'd put him at B tier.

Firefox5091 votes

[{quoted}](name=Paleo Electro,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Pcjxq4FT,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-04-19T22:07:11.311+0000) https://art-of-lol.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/44c72944292171e3fb5f5078f4c933bc.jp ##Tryndamere

You are now looking at my most hated champ in the game.

You sure about that? Yasuo

Electro5222 votes

I knew someone would eventually make the connection.

Yes, what I described can also be applied to Yasuo. However, unlike Tryndamere, Yasuo actually takes work. You actively have to be doing something, and actually have to think of your next move with Yasuo. Sure, some people would disagree to that, but it's true.

Tryndamere's kit works on it's own. You walk up to someone, bash them in the face, get free crits, and free health essentially (due to his Q). In some trouble? Just E out. CC'd and about to die? Just ult, and then E out.

Tryndamere requires no thought whatsoever......Yasuo does.

Olga Rajecka1 votes

I love your enthusiasm, but Riot doesn't give a flying Zoe about you or anyone in this community.

Ryusaether1 votes

I agree with your opinions though I think you look too much at the gameolay without considering the looks as well, and some of that list (the lower ones) shouldn't get a full vgu but some gameplay tweaks and New VO, an Aatrox treatment (hope he'll turn out well).

I personally think there are more S tier than you might think:

Malphite is a fucking moving rock, quite literally. He's not engaging to play as nor against, boring uninteractive laner and an ult-bot. Plus his design and skins are pretty shallow and could benefit an overhaul in every aspect, like making him the anti-ad he should be by giving him an armor shield and not a generic shield and things like that, other than a funnier playstyle. Ofc not every champ has to be the outplay master like Irelia or the likes, but I think everyone can agree that he's boring as hell.

Chogath , while in a decent spot balance-wise (after passing through his monstrous winrate after Stoneplate came out) is still pretty underwhelming compared to his thematic potential. You have a world eater monser that just walks and creates spikes, wow. And his model and animations are pretty outdated, he could be so much more.

Same goes for Nocturne , the personification of a nightmare who has to walk to you and punch you. His ult is surely really cool, his fear is meh ok, his spellshield is pretty out of place, and I'm sad kayn got the ability to walk over walls, because it could've been awesome on good ol' Noc. His model is really outdated, they have the technology to make his aethereal appearence much better now, and I hope he'll turn out as a great scary champ.

Kayle/Morgana , I'm pretty sad they said that Morg is good kit-wise. Sure she's not that bad but ugh, pretty uninteractive. For Kayle I expect a lot, from making her model bigger than a damn child to giving her interactive abilities and not just AA steroids and targeted survivability buffs without outplay potential from the opponent.

For A tier, Udyr could use some love too but idk where to start, Rammus is a joke character, Shaco absolutely needs a new model and gameolay tweaks but idk what they could do with him.

Passing into mini reworks needed, I think Aurelion Sol could use a more engaging kit (though I love him as he is, but it could be fun if they focus more on him getting faster, like giving him scaling on MS or making his stars go faster based on bonus MS, dunno) and give him double tap Q pls. Viktor just needs small adjustments, Diana might like an Aatrox treatment, same could be said for Leona (her animations are quite old), but it's more likely that they'll get a legendary paired skin with new animations and stuff and maybe small tweaks, they're quite fine as they are.

Oh and for major reworks I forgot about Teemo, he could be so much more it just tilts me that he's the way he is.

Hope it helped, nice thread.

SweedishGunner1 votes

Why on earth is Viktor even on this list? Also Malz isn't that toxic, I'd say he's in an okay spot right now.

Rayjay Redfang1 votes

I agree with the higher tier stuff and would probably place some lower chamos higer

I would love to play Mordekaiser more often, but he is just so clunky. I'm really hoping he is the next to be announced since he is a major character in the shadow isles.

I love Fiddlesticks but he is more annoying than useful

I would put Kayle Malphite next however. Both are clunky, have on hit effects but awkward auto animations and are defined by how good you can ult. I like playing malphite, his kit is fine for me, but he is just so clunky. Both also need lore overhalls.

Nocturne I forget this is a champion sometimes. He is usable, his kit isn't really that good other than the ult.

Skarner Volibear are strong now but their kits don't live up to the high of their character. Well this giant crystal scorpian is going to auto you to death with his tiamat like q same for this armored bear demigod who can channel lightning.

Pantheon MonkeyKing Tryndamere MasterYi again nothing wrong, but their kits are fairly no interactive other than right-click or oneshot the enemy with point and click

Udyr Vayne just need visual updates

I disagree that the lower tier champions need reworks or worked on. A lot of champs listed are fine. While some individual spells could be adjust (ezreal w) most kits are complete and satisfing to play. I understand balance issues on champ like Kalista where they are op or garbage, but I think there could be other ways to avoid that without changing her.

Mr Dalloway1 votes

Kayle and Morgana are the ones I want to see updated the most. Kayle because I hate her. Her ult needs to be banished to oblivion immediately. It is total BS that someone with that much damage has an ult that makes them instantly immune to damage. The fact that she can save teammates with it to is even more obnoxious.

Morgana gameplay I think is more or less fine but everything else about her is awful. Her model and voiceovers are just so drab and dated.

Blakiepug1 votes

If they do update champions such as Kindred Fiddlesticks Renekton Volibear , they better not change their appearance like they have done with other reworks in the past (Galio, Swain, Yorick, etc.). Especially for a champion like Kindred. If you want to change their gameplay fine, but Kindred is one of the most aesthetically pleasing champions in all of League. Keep that V out of VGU. >:(

HeazonZ1 votes

I like the pictures you chose. There’s some real good art in here. [poppy-wink]

SennaFirstPick1 votes

i feel like nidalee should have been there too, she's like nidalee, but at the moment she's so feast or famine and in such a niche place that you never really see her, she really needs some work in the longer run but i think she will be fine with some buffs to her jungle clear, mainly stronger E early levels or even add a health regen effect to it and lower her full combo damage so if games go past 30 minutes she wont one shot your adc if he gets hit of one of her 1k damage spears. i suggest D tier

Nøctμrne1 votes

Talk about champions that never get talked about, where's Nocturne Nocturne

His kit is unhealthy and his gameplay can be very stale. I feel as though I'm credible because I'm one of the top ranked Nocturne mains based on stats and wins.

Nocturnes kit doesn't allow him any real exciting gameplay or out play's unless you shroud or dodge skill shot's. Nocturne relies heavily on his ult, without it, he can't teamfight because he is so squishy that walking up will get him killed.

His kit is also very lacking in the fact that most assassins are highly mobile (especially recent reworked ones such as Evelynn that can go all in, and press r to easily chunk your HP and disengage from a fight with atleast a kill.) What I mean is most assassins have a method of both engaging and disengaging, and they often have the option of what they want to do with the skill. Nocturne can only press r and all in, he either one shots the enemy team, or gets one shot, there's no versatility to him.

As a Noct main I also have to say there's not much he can do against certain champions, like xayah who can become untargetable. I understand Xayah is meant to be a counter, but since Nocturne's whole kit is reliant upon his ult being up, I find that sometimes I have no viable options as to who I can ult.

Likewise, the opposite occurs when I'm against champions like varus, they legitimately can't do anything against me but get one shot the second they appear on the minimap.

I feel his kit should still be able to one shot players as it currently is, but it needs more variability. His model and splash art are also by far some of the most outdated and has been neglected.

Bioness1 votes

I disagree with most of the list because you seem to be forgetting the VISUAL part of Visual and Gameplay Update (VGU). We still have a good 20+ champions with N64 level graphics.

GhaelWinds1 votes

What about Olaf for D?

He has some very cool mechanics that could be expanded on and made very unique (like how Irelia Q reset was done). Right know he doesn't need so much work but his ult is still pretty toxic gameplay-wise and forces him into really good or really bad because if the lack of counterplay.

His thematic is also just a Viking. That's it. Nothing else is special about him leaving him in a weird place in both the lore and looks. He's too generic and could use some sprucing.

Almighty Prismo1 votes

Regarding Fiddlesticks , when they rework him I hope they go hog-wild with the horror motif. Right now his theme feels like a crazy old man who put a bag on his head and started calling himself a scarecrow. We need him to feel like a REAL horror monster. The kind who lurks outside your window at night, staring at you motionlessly.

Did that scarecrow just get closer? Must have been my imagination...

FilDaFunk1 votes

I need to ask: What does VGU mean for the champ?

  1. What would be kept the same? Style of play, story...
  2. What about the existing playerbase for that champ? The champions tend to be significantly different after a VGU.
  3. Would they be smaller touch ups? Think trundle/twitch update.
Ackelope1 votes

Tryndamere's face reminds of Hanzo from Overwatch in that particular piece.

Also, I'd like to comment on a feeling I noticed while looking through this post. I play a whole lot of Ezreal, I think he's a fun and cool champion, and I think that just suggesting he needs a rework because of his Q's power, while accurate, feels to me like a sort of a dangerous mindset, from an enjoyment point of view, which is still a very important portion to consider. The fact that it's a long range, highly adaptable, low cooldown skillshot that works specifically in the ways it does is a huge part of what makes him such an enjoyable champion. As much as it can be an annoyance in terms of balancing items damage/on-hit wise, I sincerely doubt the reason people will complain about Ez will be in reference to his Q, unless they're specifically thinking and talking about such examples as runeglaive, among others. The main reasons I hear people complain about him are almost always in reference to how easy it is for him to escape from situations, on account with his E, and (admittedly, though also often not directly), his Q's interaction with his E.

Now, I'm very certain these apply to a lot of the other champions on this list. There are very few cases where a champion's majority playerbase is unhappy with the way the most integral part of their kit works.

As a bit of a disclaimer, I'm not necessarily saying that VGUs are bad and Riot shouldn't do them, I'm just trying to be cautionary and reminding of the fact that they can, and historically have been, poorly executed. It's important when any talk or call for change occurs, either as a developer of the game or a player (or both), it's not only said that change needs to occur, but also how that change needs to occur (and also a thorough examination of why the change needs to occur, along with the merits and positives present in older ideas). I'm also not saying that your opinion is in opposition to what I've put above, it just didn't look particularly present, especially when I was reading through your section on Ezreal, to quote, "Simply put, this ability needs to go".

Violet Fields1 votes

I feel like Kennen should be D Tier, if we're talking about both AD and AP, then yeah he probably need a rework to suit both playstyles, however if we're talking about just AP, what he primarily is suppose to be, he could really just have the AD scalings removed and his AP buffed so that every time I start Doran's Blade I don't have 72 AD, it drives me nuts. Actually, I'll just start with the new Doran's ring.

RavenMagus1 votes

I came for the clickbait title, but I stayed for the fanart.

AwesomeGuyDj1 votes

I would fucking kill for a jax rework. Cancerous brain fuck of a champion "me build cinderhulk me outduel everyone in the game me good" yes i know this is an exaggeration

Tychusfindlay9181 votes

Tryndamere should be S tier IMO but eh whatever.

I'd rank morde #1 on shit needs to happen for him and tryndamere pretty much right behind him.

Nasus might not need a visual update but he's tryndamere level cancer in terms of simplicity and win conditions (run at people, use insane autos, beat them into submission) but trades trynd's mobility for incredible tank potential instead.

Forhonor3211 votes

On a very personal level, I think Shyvana could be added to the list, most like in D or at highest C based on your rank descriptions.

She's basically been off and on as the "queen of the Jungle", like during the Devourer jungle era, only to have that later removed. Fast forward to Bloodrazor and it's pretty good with her, so eventually she gets nerfed because she becomes too good for a short period of time. Similar situation with Press the Attack.

She's doing fairly fine for now in terms of winrate but that still doesn't cut out some major issues she has:

  • No CC outside of Ult - This is probably the biggest issue I have with her. The only CC she ever can have is her ult, which only gives a small knockback rather than a drag. It can be say good for a quick disruption of a channel or initiation, but that's only good later on in say mid and late game. But for early game, she basically can't gank pre-6 unless the enemy laner is right at your allies tower, you have red buff and glacial augment (though I think people have just stopped running it on her or at least vast majority).

  • Item Dependent/Farm Heavy - Shyvana can have a lot of damage based on her kit: % health damage debuff on E, Magic damage mixed with W and AA, & Q is a double auto for more of those bonuses. But she also has to rely on items a bit, both for more synergy for her kit and to fill in some missing gaps. Bloodrazer is an example of synergy, giving % health damage as well as attack speed, and Frozen Mallet is an example of filling in the gaps for her, since it gives her some form of non-ult CC and pairs well with her being AA reliant. In order to obtain these though, you just need to farm constantly. There's a saying with Shyvana of her "beating you with a giant bag of gold" and that can't be more accurate. She's a jungle champ that needs to heavily farm up in order to get her items early and start going and if you steal her camps she can't really get anywhere. In short, she's a feast or famine champ that relies on how much farm she can gain fast.

  • Her Passive is Terrible! - Speaking of Feast or Famine, let's look over one element of her kit that literally makes her that. Now granted this does bring up the fact that she received a mini-"rework" already, but overall I didn't find it that great, even with additions of a better feeling dragon e and Dragon Form bonuses. Her old passive was basically free stats, doubled in dragon form, but scaled somewhat through the game. INSTEAD NOW her small bonus stats are tied to how many dragons she can collect. Oh, but she has extra bonus to dragons now. Great I guess? Outside of SR, this passive works weirdly, like TT you take the equivalent to Baron, which why is that the only way to get those stats, and ARAM is destroying towers, which that all depends on how well your team comp is vs. the other random team comp. Either you/your team are securing dragons and you can have bonus stats that scale a bit in the game, or not and be stuck with extremely bad bonus stats through the whole game, as you can only get these through the 4 before elder. Yeah, I fucking hate her passive.

In short: -She lacks any CC in her base kit to be somewhat effective at early ganks, pre-6 -She has to farm up for items, some of which she relies on heavily -She's a feast or famine type champion -She's mainly pure damage -Her passive is shit

I love playing Shyvana but lately that's been going to an extent and I feel like she could use a small proper rework to bring her up a bit than to constantly have her as the "lady with bag of gold for weapon".

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