So When are Mages going to be able to have diversity?

Ahristocats·Feb 2, 2018·5 votes·414 views

last time i checked, building every single game is not fun at all

I'M NOT SAYING MAGES ARE WEAK but their itemization is boring

why does cost 3200 gold? why is the worst item in the game?

it seems that unless you're ryze/cass (building ROA+seraphin) or TF (building lichbane) you're doomed to build the same shit over and over again with the exception of being good with the stopwatch rune

Nerf Morello, no comments needed Nerf and put power elsewhere, too much power loaded into those boots if Mages try to get mercury/ninja tabi they lose too much power Buff and give a better build path

18 Comments

LordDarkshaydeFeb 2, 20184 votes

Rylai's does not need a buff and is in no way useless. It is good on a number of mages like Malz, Brand, even Ziggs ocasionally. If you are building the same items every single game on a mage then that's on you. I generally never build Liandry's on Lux when I play her, but when they have a tanky team I do switch it in for the magic pen and burn. There are plenty of options for mages to build on, but it's up to you to decide what is best for each situation.

AhristocatsFeb 2, 20182 votes

no way Rylai is built on ziggs

http://www.probuilds.net/champions/details/Lux

i don't know how you play lux my friend but most skilled lux players build liandry

why don't you build liandry? it's far better than any mage items with morello

MordepoolFeb 2, 20181 votes

They are working on something

AhristocatsFeb 2, 20183 votes

yea and i'm still waiting

FOR INSTANCE, waiting and play Morde with 325 base ms, while adcs can build double zeal items and i'm not being able to build item 3285 BECAUSE IT COSTS 3200 GOLD

DuskDaUmbreonFeb 2, 20181 votes

I mean...I don't know why you'd even want Luden's on Mordekaiser, though. Unless the cost was dropped so drastically that it was basically a free 100 AP. He doesn't really want the passive, AFAIK.

And double zeal costs 5200g. That's twice as expensive, for no AD. Imagine you're just buying a Rabadon's. But the Rabadon's has no actual AP in it. It's just a CDR item with the passive.

AhristocatsFeb 2, 20182 votes

because of the movement speed ADCs are able to travel the map so fast and farm around the map while Mordekaiser is stuck with 325 base ms and is going to get naturally outfarmed because he can't rotate so fast, to farm and be present at fights at the same time

Luden is the best movement speed item he can build, but it's bad right now double zeal items cost 5200 gold, but the cost/benefit is better than luden

DuskDaUmbreonFeb 2, 20181 votes

Generally, I look at Mordekaiser as an anti-mobility champion. You don't need to move fast on him, really. You have tools to slow them down. You have Gunblade, you have Rylai's. Both work.

You also have Phase Rush. You don't need the old Stormraiders' movement speed, Phase Rush is better for kiting in range (or getting into range, since you can proc it out of melee range with W E R, W E Gunblade, W R gunblade, etc.). You also have Celerity. It's an option, and a working one. 4% movement speed 24/7 from level 1, for absolutely no gold, from a tree you already want. Sounds amazing to me.

You also have the option for boots from inspiration, as well as approach velocity (you should have them slowed 24/7 once you get into range). There are plenty of options for Mordekaiser.

Now, finally, Rylai's. It's not the worst item. item 3056 is arguably in a worse spot, if nothing else. item 3060 is probably worse, as well...

AhristocatsFeb 2, 20181 votes

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Generally, I look at Mordekaiser as an anti-mobility champion. You don't need to move fast on him, really. You have tools to slow them down. You have Gunblade, you have Rylai's. Both work.

I already explained to you and you seemed to have ignored the explination

you need to move fast around the map to rotate, take objectives, farm, fight at the same time everytime i play morde enemy adc end up with 400 farm while i have 250 at best, and i can't do better because i need to take drake, help to push towers with drake, take other objectives and clone poeple with my ult (which means fighting) and I CAN'T MOVE FAST AROUND THE MAP to farm more because i don't build zeal items

You also have Phase Rush. You don't need the old Stormraiders' movement speed, Phase Rush is better for kiting in range (or getting into range, since you can proc it out of melee range with W E R, W E Gunblade, W R gunblade, etc.). You also have Celerity. It's an option, and a working one. 4% movement speed 24/7 from level 1, for absolutely no gold, from a tree you already want. Sounds amazing to me.

phase rush is only in fight, not out of combat

You also have the option for boots from inspiration, as well as approach velocity (you should have them slowed 24/7 once you get into range). There are plenty of options for Mordekaiser.

I already take the boots from inspiration, but so do marksmen approach velocity is not out of combat, and is also bad

DuskDaUmbreonFeb 2, 20181 votes

You ignored Celerity. But okay.

Did you consider that not every champion is meant to do everything? Just because he has low roaming, does not mean he's suddenly useless. Many champions have low roaming power, while still being viable. Yes, even some ADCs.

Champions that do everything well generally end up being nerfed to where they do everything okay. And when you're like that, you're generally useless, because super general champions just...aren't useful.

AhristocatsFeb 2, 20181 votes

i do take celerity, but it's not enough it's +3% bonus ms compared to double zeal items it's nothing

also yes, not everyone is supposed to do everything but being good at roaming is only one thing that everyone is good at some champions are better at roaming than others but everyone is still good at it

except mordekaiser because he's the only 325 base ms champion that can't itemize bonus ms

MordepoolFeb 2, 20181 votes

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I mean...I don't know why you'd even want Luden's on Mordekaiser, though. Unless the cost was dropped so drastically that it was basically a free 100 AP. He doesn't really want the passive, AFAIK.

The passive increases his effective range it's good. You can't see because you don't play morde

DuskDaUmbreonFeb 4, 20181 votes

Has 20+ games on Mordekaiser, had a 66% winrate on him in ranked last season

"You don't play Morde lul"

Diamond2KappaFeb 2, 20181 votes

Hopefully with the ap update theyre doing

dont forget ap assassins tho :]

also that name, i have to learn french in sch00l feelsbadman :[

AhristocatsFeb 2, 20181 votes

git gud i learned english only through league and google translate

Diamond2KappaFeb 2, 20181 votes

But u guys like only pronounce half the letters that you write, its hard :[ xd And you say "four twenties" to 80 :/ hehe

AhristocatsFeb 2, 20181 votes

Yes, because we're smart 4*20=80 so we don't need to invent a new name for 80

hehe

Diamond2KappaFeb 2, 20181 votes

Actually, dats true. Genius :]

The IcebornFeb 2, 20181 votes

Youre right I wont even argue and I dont get why others are arguing with you when you have a clear point... Mage builds are so basic and straight forward whereas adc can build so many items and it kinda gets boring... Even in special situations you just swap one time and the rest of the build is pretty much the same as always-.-"