Won 5 in a row last night, oh well, gotta lose 4-5 this morning, amirite.

option paralysis·Jun 11, 2018·23 votes·10,213 views

It's not even solo q, because I lose my mind playing that.. but flex q and it's the same shit for the 99999th time. Win few games, well you gotta lose the same amount of games too. Yesterday played really well, had few feeding teammates but few good too so we're able to carry, but today every lane loses and god forbid you play something out of meta that can't insta kill everyone, you just lose. But hey riot is a small indie company, I get it.

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koshkyraJun 11, 201812 votes

The thing i hate most about the 50% winrate algorithm is that often your win-streak leads to a promos, which by then you're going to get fucked over by the system and lose at the absolute worst time (promos.)

TheCodeisCupCakeJun 11, 20181 votes

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The thing i hate most about the 50% winrate algorithm

What is this? First time I hear of it

koshkyraJun 11, 20183 votes

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What is this? First time I hear of it

As you win, you start to get lower rank teammates and higher rank enemies, and vice versa.

This is Riot's sneaky way of keeping everyone at 50%. Why they want everyone at 50, idk.

TheCodeisCupCakeJun 12, 20181 votes

That is the single most retarded thing I've ever heard of. You get punished for being good, and rewarded for being bad? What the fuck.

Unstoppable MonkJun 11, 20182 votes

it also swings you so hard into the ground you start going under 50% after you hit like 51-52%

80% of my games became hellscapes filled with people who should have sticked to normals from a statistical viewpoint. There is nothing good that is brought to ranked from someone with little champion mastery / experience, trying out ranked without knowing their own role, and generally drag out games by 10-20 minutes due to a no-surrender mentality that really shouldn't exist in a competitive queue where you need to give up on extremely low chances of winning that just result in statistics that might end up haunting people with toxicity over a game that shouldn't have been played out.

Honestly the system would work if the players actually did, but they don't.

Ok sure but whyJun 11, 20185 votes

Gotta love Riot's "50/50" policy where they put bad players and good players on the same team to "make things fair"

GØÐSLAYERJun 11, 20184 votes

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Gotta love Riot's "50/50" policy where they put bad players and good players on the same team to "make things fair"

So much this. Feels like going on a winstreak is unlucky as hell now. U win 5 games in a row bam they give u the worst players uve ever had the misfortune of laying ur eyes on in game 6. I swear botlane will go 0/10 combined by 5 mins. Mid will pick yasuo and go 0/5. Jg clueless. Meanwhile u in top lane doing ok playing best but team makes u want to alt tab and google mental health services and psychologists near u.

SwiftKitten88Jun 11, 20182 votes

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Gotta love Riot's "50/50" policy where they put bad players and good players on the same team to "make things fair"

u know maybe if they actually went "hey your winning games... lets give you BETTER teammates and BETTER opponents"

rather than "lets keep giving them noob opponents and make their teammates even worse"

this wouldn't be quite as bad.

NegusInParisJun 11, 20182 votes

what if they went by "hey you are silver 3, lets put you with other silver 3's. Instead of putting you with golds cause u should be able to beat golds with that winstreak." I mean, if they think that you are on par with a gold player... PUT ME IN GOLD THEN

My Waifu VanillaJun 11, 20185 votes

Get your tinfoil hat off.

3TWarriorJun 11, 20183 votes

there's a video by professor Akali of him 1v5'ing a bronze team, getting to their nexus, and then LOSING TO THEM because their passive damage outscaled a fullbuild akali with a score of 45/3

things are messed up in league atm

DanjengJun 11, 20182 votes

What's passive damage? Also 1v5 is pretty ridiculous.

3TWarriorJun 11, 20181 votes

runes for one. Passive damage is damage added to a champion without requiring a condition or with an easily obtained condition

another example is for champions like kog maw(though fairly balanced) who gets %hp damage as an on-hit bonus

FridgesArePpl2Jun 11, 20184 votes

If I didn't know any better I'd say that you win the same number of games that you lose because you're in the rank you deserve to be in and aren't substantially better than the other people in your rank.

Obviously it's a conspiracy against you though.

GØÐSLAYERJun 11, 20185 votes

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If I didn't know any better I'd say that you win the same number of games that you lose because you're in the rank you deserve to be in and aren't substantially better than the other people in your rank.

Obviously it's a conspiracy against you though.

Does not being able to carry 4 bads mean you shouldn't climb? And I'm not just talking 1 or 2 feeders. When 3+ feed on ur team before 8 min, it is really really difficult to carry, regardless of rank. Hell im garbage Silver 2 player and Im climbing with positive WR, but even I get terrible teammates after a winstreak. I know im a better playet than my rank because I can usually dumpster my game if my teammates dont int but if they do its uphill battle. People say "play consistent and ull climb" but how can u play consistently if Riot wants u to lose by giving u 4 sandbags to play with?

FridgesArePpl2Jun 11, 20183 votes

You've had like 3 games in your last 12 with a KDA above 2 and you're playing an early game lane bully. I hate to break it to you, but when people complain to Riot about having feeders on their team a lot of the time they're complaining about you.

GØÐSLAYERJun 11, 20182 votes

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You've had like 3 games in your last 12 with a KDA above 2 and you're playing an early game lane bully. I hate to break it to you, but when people complain to Riot about having feeders on their team a lot of the time they're complaining about you.

But I've won them? I've won most if not all of my Renekton games in the past 15, and my team has been performing much worse than I have. (54% winrate on Renekton, guess I'm getting hardcarried consistently then?XD) There are people in this game that don't even try to win. And I'm not talking about having KDA lower than 2 as "uncarriable inting". I explicitly mentioned games where bot goes 0 kills, mid goes 0 kills, jg clueless. These games seem to always occur after winstreaks, without fail.

Wait.... just noticed you haven't played a ranked game on that account since last year. What the fuck? You also have a sub 1.5 avg kda and a 17% winrate on Ashe in ranked in Season 7?

???????????? ? XD I'm complaining about people like you but we're in a completely different state of the game. Game rn doesnt even feel remotely close to what it was in s7.

?XD The fuck am I supposed to take you seriously lmfao.

HalcyonDwellerJun 11, 20183 votes

Matchmaking sucks, but to say that it sucks because it intentionally tries to end your win streaks is just paranoid.

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These games seem to always occur after winstreaks, without fail.

That's how streaks work. If you're on a streak you're doing well, eventually streaks end and when they do it's a bad game. this is like saying the sky is blue.

The sky isn't blue just to spite you though, it's blue because of physics and natural occurrences. Same deal with streaks. They end because that's the nature of things, not because matchmaking is trying to fuck you over.

GØÐSLAYERJun 11, 20182 votes

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Matchmaking sucks, but to say that it sucks because it intentionally tries to end your win streaks is just paranoid.

That's how streaks work. If you're on a streak you're doing well, eventually streaks end and when they do it's a bad game. this is like saying the sky is blue.

The sky isn't blue just to spite you though, it's blue because of physics and natural occurrences. Same deal with streaks. They end because that's the nature of things, not because matchmaking is trying to fuck you over.

Ive had it with your sardonic replies to every single one of my comments on this board. It's so obvious you're hard biased against me so you just shoot down everything I say with inane comments.

If you think that my valid criticism of the matchmaking algorithm based on personal experience and anecdotal evidence is mere "paranoia", then you're straight up delusional.

I'm not saying that I'm mad that streaks end. This is basic statistical theory and anyone with half a brain will realize that you must lose after you win a lot. I'm pissed at the fact that when you lose a streak, it is often (more than 60% of the time) in a horribly lopsided fashion. The losing game usually isn't even close in terms of net skill. You'll typically get 2 first time ranked players and a duo on a hard losing streak vs a strong duo, a smurf, and an average player. The game will end in 15 mins with the score being like 3-15 with you having 100% KP. It's pretty obvious that the matchmaking algorithm WANTS to end your streak when it sees you're on one. It will throw you into an impossible game. Worst of all, this will happen in promos and you'll end up gaining 70 lp and losing 90 in the course of a day.

This algorithm is sickening, especially when you consider that first time ranked accounts do placements in high silver/low gold. How is this a good learning and playing environment?

HalcyonDwellerJun 11, 20182 votes

Wow dude, I found this thread on my own. And since you accused me of stalking, I just checked and you've made plenty of other comments recently which I haven't posted replies to.

I completely agree that the matchmaking environment sucks right now. And if you want to just talk about lopsided matchmaking then I'm 100% with you. But as soon as you say it's done intentionally I'm going to call bullshit. Because that is bullshit.

The games are lopsided all the time, people don't seem to mind it when they are still winning.

Matchmaking does suck, it creates lopsided games all the time, but it's not doing it on purpose and it's not doing it to end peoples' win-streaks.

GØÐSLAYERJun 11, 20181 votes

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Wow dude, I found this thread on my own. And since you accused me of stalking, I just checked and you've made plenty of other comments recently which I haven't posted replies to.

I completely agree that the matchmaking environment sucks right now. And if you want to just talk about lopsided matchmaking then I'm 100% with you. But as soon as you say it's done intentionally I'm going to call bullshit. Because that is bullshit.

The games are lopsided all the time, people don't seem to mind it when they are still winning.

Matchmaking does suck, it creates lopsided games all the time, but it's not doing it on purpose and it's not doing it to end peoples' win-streaks.

Uhhhhh.... WHEN did I accuse you of stalking? I accused you of being HARD BIASED against me based on your previous posts against me. And its evident that your bias against me is clouding your judgment.

You still think it's a coincidence that every losing streak after a winstreak features a horribly lopsided game in terms of ur teammates' rank/mmr/recent performance? Just go to some op.gg's and click around on peoples' profiles. Find when they went on a winstreak then find the point where they lost. Study that losing game and I GUARANTEE that you will find something that is clearly shady as fuck in terms of team balance. A good example would be to find the op.gg of a booster, then find their first loss. I guarantee their team will be absolute dogshit in that losing game, and the other team will be higher in terms of net mmr/skill.

And no, people DO mind lopsided games when they are winning because: a) It doesn't improve their skill as a player. b) They know they will be on the losing side of a lopsided game pretty soon. c) They realize that there is something disgustingly wrong with matchmaking.

If they don't mind, then they either probably hardcarried that game or they are sub 50% WR monkeys (and/or 250+ game in their sub gold division monkeys).

HalcyonDwellerJun 11, 20183 votes

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Uhhhhh.... WHEN did I accuse you of stalking? I accused you of being HARD BIASED against me based on your previous posts against me. And its evident that your bias against me is clouding your judgment.

When you said I reply to every one of your comments. Stalking is shorthand for following someone around, and it seemed like you thought I was following you. And no, me commenting here has nothing to do with you. You're arguing things which are biased and misjudgements in and of themselves. I'm arguing against them, not against you.

You still think it's a coincidence that every losing streak after a winstreak features a horribly lopsided game in terms of ur teammates' rank/mmr/recent performance? Just go to some op.gg's and click around on peoples' profiles. Find when they went on a winstreak then find the point where they lost. Study that losing game and I GUARANTEE that you will find something that is clearly shady as fuck in terms of team balance. A good example would be to find the op.gg of a booster, then find their first loss. I guarantee their team will be absolute dogshit in that losing game, and the other team will be higher in terms of net mmr/skill.

Alright, if all this evidence you claim exists really exists then go collect data on it. Bring a full report on it to the boards. I'm willing to change my mind if I am faced with evidence that hasn't been tampered with or mis-attributed. But be careful, when you begin with the end in mind it's easy to pull correlations that serve your needs while ignoring evidence that contradict them.

And no, people DO mind lopsided games when they are winning because: a) It doesn't improve their skill as a player. b) They know they will be on the losing side of a lopsided game pretty soon. c) They realize that there is something disgustingly wrong with matchmaking.

If they don't mind, then they either probably hardcarried that game or they are sub 50% WR monkeys (and/or 250+ game in their sub gold division monkeys).

I was being facetious. I know that people mind, I personally mind when I get a lopsided game in my favor. My point was that we don't see people coming to the boards posting about it. We only ever see people posting complaining about their win-streak being interrupted by lopsided matches. The point is that these lopsided matches exist already and they aren't just something that happens for the purpose of shutting down someone's win-streak.

GØÐSLAYERJun 11, 20181 votes

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When you said I reply to every one of your comments. Stalking is shorthand for following someone around, and it seemed like you thought I was following you. And no, me commenting here has nothing to do with you. You're arguing things which are biased and misjudgements in and of themselves. I'm arguing against them, not against you.

Alright, if all this evidence you claim exists really exists then go collect data on it. Bring a full report on it to the boards. I'm willing to change my mind if I am faced with evidence that hasn't been tampered with or mis-attributed. But be careful, when you begin with the end in mind it's easy to pull correlations that serve your needs while ignoring evidence that contradict them.

I was being facetious. I know that people mind, I personally mind when I get a lopsided game in my favor. My point was that we don't see people coming to the boards posting about it. We only ever see people posting complaining about their win-streak being interrupted by lopsided matches. The point is that these lopsided matches exist already and they aren't just something that happens for the purpose of shutting down someone's win-streak.

Well, your bias is evident already because you wrote

"Alright, if all this evidence you claim exists really exists then go collect data on it. Bring a full report on it to the boards. I'm willing to change my mind if I am faced with evidence that hasn't been tampered with or mis-attributed. But be careful, when you begin with the end in mind it's easy to pull correlations that serve your needs while ignoring evidence that contradict them."

so I don't really think you're going to give a flying fuck about what I say but hey I guess people that want valid data will use it.

Case 1: Recent booster/scripter that I played against. Near instant cast parry on Fiora, so either he's very very high elo player, booster, scripter, or all of the above.

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=savila

Check out his game as Irelia after his winstreak of 4 games. It is an absolute trainwreck, with his toplane going 0/7/2, jg going 2/9/0, and adc going 4/8/6 whereas the enemy team all had above 2 KDA. And this was directly coming off of a winstreak.

Also, check out his most recent Fiora game. Very very lopsided. Everyone on the enemy team had above a 3 KDA, while he was struggling to keep his team in the game.

Case 2: High elo Xerath player who goes by "Zwag" (confirmed as he posted his twitch.tv after game). that I played against a week ago while this acct. was in Silver. Known by many as one of the best Xerath players in North America and has hit Challenger multiple times. https://l9eloboosting.com/our-team <-- He's featured there as a booster.

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Squ%C3%A1ll

Check out his most recent loss after his insane high-KDA winstreak. He goes 2/3/0, but his team does horribly. 0/4/0 jg, 0/3/0 top, 0/3/0 adc, 0/3/0 support into FF 15. Again, very very lopsided.

Case 3: Decent winrate player who is climbing, but look at the game where he lost as Sona after a 3 game winstreak. Top is Silver 2 (in a game with all Gold 4 / Gold 5). Meanwhile, his Silver 2 toplaner was laning against a Plat 5??? Poor guy. Really unfortunate. Rest of team was pretty evenly matched for the most part (Gold level, but it's evident that the Plat 5 toplaner hardcarried this game, esp with Irelia being in the state she is in now).

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=mr0v0x0

Yeah this last case is weaker than the first two, but I wanted to point out a case where someone that wasn't a booster / avg. player was victimized by the system for winning. It is just much more evident in the case of the first two players, because you can clearly SEE that they are way too good for their elo from their previous games.

Now, yeah you can probably find cases where I am wrong -- cases where a loss that occurs after a winstreak isn't lopsided but I guarantee that there are more cases such as the ones that I have listed above than the non-lopsided cases.

Riot algorithm is definitely stacked AGAINST you if you have been winning a lot. In this sense, it is TRYING to screw you over if you have been winning a lot. Also, I think you have been neglecting the previous posters on this thread that are responding with their anecdotal evidence as well.

I would present you with more cases but you already mentioned that with an "end [goal] in mind, it's easy to pull correlations that serve your needs while ignoring evidence that contradict them," so I highly doubt that you're even going to read what I wrote. If I had a little more time, I would find at least 20 cases like the ones I mentioned above and would post them all on the boards, but it is a little tough to find people on winstreaks. I didn't want to use myself as an example to eliminate bias, but if you click on my profile you will see a game where I lost pretty badly after a 7 game winstreak mainly through the fault of an inexperienced jungler and mid.

HalcyonDwellerJun 11, 20182 votes

Bookmarked so I can come back, this deserves full attention I can't give until later. Just letting you know I'm not simply dropping the discussion.

GØÐSLAYERJun 11, 20181 votes

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Bookmarked so I can come back, this deserves full attention I can't give until later. Just letting you know I'm not simply dropping the discussion.

Good to hear, but if you don't respond in time then the precious op.gg match history data that u wanted to see is probably gonna disappear and you're probably gonna flame me for not having evidence. xd

HalcyonDwellerJun 12, 20181 votes

I'm gonna level with you on this, I'm probably not going to be convinced that the system stacks matches against you on purpose.

When I said data I meant some serious data, like pull match history for 20 games for 50 players in each division, look at each player in each of those games and see if THEY were on win or loss streaks etc.

Chances are though, if you did that you'd find out that just as many lopsided games occur when nobody's on a win streak. Like I said before, matchmaking is bad, but it's bad equally. Having an awful game is a function of all of the following:

Teammates stability, resilience to tilt, and recent match history
Teammates MMR
the player's own stability, resilience to tilt, and recent match history
opponents' MMR
opponents' stability, resilience to tilt, and recent match history
luck, sometimes plays go well or badly just because people are in the wrong place at the wrong time
Snowballing - it doesn't take much for a game to feel lopsided really quickly.

IfnethJun 11, 20182 votes

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Ive had it with your sardonic replies to every single one of my comments on this board. It's so obvious you're hard biased against me so you just shoot down everything I say with inane comments.

If you think that my valid criticism of the matchmaking algorithm based on personal experience and anecdotal evidence is mere "paranoia", then you're straight up delusional.

I'm not saying that I'm mad that streaks end. This is basic statistical theory and anyone with half a brain will realize that you must lose after you win a lot. I'm pissed at the fact that when you lose a streak, it is often (more than 60% of the time) in a horribly lopsided fashion. The losing game usually isn't even close in terms of net skill. You'll typically get 2 first time ranked players and a duo on a hard losing streak vs a strong duo, a smurf, and an average player. The game will end in 15 mins with the score being like 3-15 with you having 100% KP. It's pretty obvious that the matchmaking algorithm WANTS to end your streak when it sees you're on one. It will throw you into an impossible game. Worst of all, this will happen in promos and you'll end up gaining 70 lp and losing 90 in the course of a day.

This algorithm is sickening, especially when you consider that first time ranked accounts do placements in high silver/low gold. How is this a good learning and playing environment?

Besides a bad match, what else do you think could stop a player who’s in the zone and performing 2-3 divisions above their rating? Streaks end like that because nothing else can end them. It’s also why losing streaks for tilted players usually end in a free win.

Therefore, the system is not trying to stop you. If Riot had a matchmaker and rating system smart enough to detect smurfs, losing streaks due to tilt, and sudden skill spikes, then don’t you think that they would just, you know, use it?

We can speculate all day about their alleged dark motivations to drag out the climb, but until we have evidence for it, we can’t just assume it’s true.

Moreover, lopsided games just happen sometimes, even to those of us who are climbing. They happen to people on loss streaks, win streaks, or no streaks at all. To allege that Riot must have deliberately designed the system to sabotage your climb when it happens to you on a win streak belies the arrogance and paranoia characteristic of narcissism, as reflected in your seemingly ceaseless anger and attempts to ‘see through’ and discredit whoever disagrees with you.

The problem isn’t in the game. It’s in you.

GØÐSLAYERJun 11, 20181 votes

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Besides trolls, what else do you think could stop a player who’s in the zone and performing 2-3 divisions above their rating?

I don't know, maybe a fair game where the enemy team is able to put their resources together to stop the good player? But then again this is unheard of amirite. Goodmatchmaking in 2k18?

It's really sad that Riot's alg thinks the only thing that can stop a player from destroying Solo Q is trolls and tilted losers. A player on a 5 game winning streak is bound to get 3+ teammates on a 5 game losing streak. Algorithm loves to put u through hell for multiple games in a row after it sees you winning a lot.

To help give my points about matchmaking a little more validity, I've linked the opgg's of a few boosters who were razing through low elo but were stopped in their tracks by griefers and by shitty matchmaking in general.

GØÐSLAYERJun 11, 20181 votes

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Besides a bad match, what else do you think could stop a player who’s in the zone and performing 2-3 divisions above their rating? Streaks end like that because nothing else can end them. It’s also why losing streaks for tilted players usually end in a free win.

Therefore, the system is not trying to stop you. If Riot had a matchmaker and rating system smart enough to detect smurfs, losing streaks due to tilt, and sudden skill spikes, then don’t you think that they would just, you know, use it?

We can speculate all day about their alleged dark motivations to drag out the climb, but until we have evidence for it, we can’t just assume it’s true.

Moreover, lopsided games just happen sometimes, even to those of us who are climbing. They happen to people on loss streaks, win streaks, or no streaks at all. To allege that Riot must have deliberately designed the system to sabotage your climb when it happens to you on a win streak belies the arrogance and paranoia characteristic of narcissism, as reflected in your seemingly ceaseless anger and attempts to ‘see through’ other people.

The problem isn’t in the game. It’s in you.

You also say since we don't have evidence for it we can't assume it's true? But we don't have evidence for it, so we are free to speculate, based on anecdotal evidence and analyzing match history data on op.gg, no? And based on anecdotal evidence of OP and the other posters on this thread and the hundreds of other posts on the Gameplay section of this forum, I do sense that there is a CLEAR issue with matchmaking in the sense that a winning streak tends to end with a nasty lopsided loss. I'm saying, why doesn't it tend to end with a normal loss? If someone is razing through their elo, must the algorithm really flag them so much that they are placed with 4 terrible players?

I'm not complaining because of a personal loss I had after a winning streak (check the op.gg links I've posted in a post above). I'm defending OP because I see the validity in what he says and acknowledge his anecdotal evidence. You say we don't have hard evidence for it yet, but if you refuse to even acknowledge anecdotal and personal evidence, then this is just blatant ignorance.

And i LOVE the "you're the problem, not the game" LMFAO. Classic. Face it: the game has many, many flaws, with matchmaking being a MAJOR one. If you refuse to accept the fact that the game is in a critical state right now, both in terms of balance and matchmaking, then I don't really know what to say.

3TWarriorJun 11, 20181 votes

the system itself is flawed because it relies both on the team and the individual's performance

let's say you have a 60% winrate in whatever division you are in

(I don't know the number of wins necessary to advance) so let's say you need at least 6 wins, you then have a 1/10 chance of being promoted because that is your additional chance to win a sixth game out of the ten, if you even get that high with some accounts of how matchmaking works

60% also happens to be pretty good by league's standards but it would vary by rank

FridgesArePpl2Jun 11, 20182 votes

the system itself is flawed because it relies both on the team and the individual's performance

That's not a flaw. League of Legends is a team game.

If you win 60% of your games you are guaranteed to climb. Assuming you gain/lose about 18 LP per game you'll average an LP gain of 36 per 10 games. So it'll take you about 30 games, which is pretty quick.

RaijeJun 11, 20182 votes

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If I didn't know any better I'd say that you win the same number of games that you lose because you're in the rank you deserve to be in and aren't substantially better than the other people in your rank.

Obviously it's a conspiracy against you though.

Preach.

HalcyonDwellerJun 11, 20184 votes

You were in the zone last night, good job. Maybe you weren't in the zone this morning.

Matchmaking is an algorithm designed to try to find fair matches, not a malicious device intended to screw over players who go on win-streaks.

Matchmaking sucks, but not because of streaks. Don't buy into the gambler's fallacy.

Done25Jun 11, 20183 votes

Here's how a streak of four games went for me. Game 1 we had a useless smite Udyr top, but jungle reno got hella fed and we just backed him up for the win. Game 2 Duo tries to do Nunu+Karthus jungle. They fail miserably and go something like 2/12. We lose that one. Game 3: Useless toxic support, but we manage to carry even with them dragging us down. Game 4: Same support. I should have dodged. Support is still both useless and toxic, but we fail to carry and they drag us down for a loss.

Two and a half hours of game play that zeros outs.

GØÐSLAYERJun 11, 20181 votes

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Here's how a streak of four games went for me. Game 1 we had a useless smite Udyr top, but jungle reno got hella fed and we just backed him up for the win. Game 2 Duo tries to do Nunu+Karthus jungle. They fail miserably and go something like 2/12. We lose that one. Game 3: Useless toxic support, but we manage to carry even with them dragging us down. Game 4: Same support. I should have dodged. Support is still both useless and toxic, but we fail to carry and they drag us down for a loss.

Two and a half hours of game play that zeros outs.

Yeah tbh it's kinda sad. With this kind of matchmaking algo, they encourage smurfing, so you don't get fucked by the algo and get paired with mules.

Risen29Jun 11, 20182 votes

The problem I see is that they dont respond to winstreaks by placing you against higher mmr players, to test out if you can cut it there, but instead they load your team with lower mmr idiots and keep your opponents at thier normal level. This leads to rage inducing low quality games for everyone involved.

KazaJhodoJun 11, 20182 votes

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The problem I see is that they dont respond to winstreaks by placing you against higher mmr players, to test out if you can cut it there, but instead they load your team with lower mmr idiots and keep your opponents at thier normal level. This leads to rage inducing low quality games for everyone involved.

Even if they did place you against higher players, that would be bad.

You should only play against players where you are, not where your mmr is- for instance if you are silver 3, you should play silver 3s. Give or take whatever... to put say a gold 5 or silver one in your game, that is silver 3, is stupid.

If they want to do that, they should put you in gold 5, not bring gold 5 you. Mmr is retarded, inaccurate, and does stupid shit like that.

I've been hard stuck in silver for a while now, trying to figure out why.

Lately I've started to look at my teammates and just dodge if they are bad. So for instance I get into a game with 4 players that are at least 50% in their last 10, cool. My support is 2 in their last 10. Ehhhh, I think I should dodge, but I'm expiramenting with when I should/shouldn't... so I risk it. In champ select I tell the support, hey man we just don't feed and our team should be able to carry.

Support dies like 5 times early, has no lane pressure/presense, I literally can't even farm- trying to 1v2 farm under turret. The jhin/morgana poking the shit out of me. Guess I should've dodged. Lesson learned.

I don't know what else to do anymore, so I'm just dodging a lot more games and waiting 30 minutes.

Its kinda working, but when you have like a 70% winrate the system starts to just fuck you with terrrrrrrrrrible players. I'm going to be dodging more than I play. On top of that, even if I get to promos, promos will fuck me FOR SURE, and I won't be able to dodge. SO, this is doomed to fail... which I know going in.

Just sick of winning a bunch in a row and then getting shit on with teammates for an equal amount in a row. Its nuts. Fucking nuts.

I think I'm going to quit soon and play Realm Royale. This game doesn't deserve my time anymore. I get the impression that many players feel the same. Plus the new player experience is shit, so likely the game is coming into its decline currently.

Risen29Jun 11, 20182 votes

I think you missed the point.

Ideally they should keep matching you with people near your MMR so your MMR can increase based on your actual skill level.

But if insist on making the game harder, the proper way to do that is to place them at a higher MMR - not give them crappier teammates and expect them to carry harder.

This hurts people who want to play the game properly, forcing people to one trick snowballers or split pushers as the only way to carry games 1vs9.

Games where everyone is the same MMR have a much higher chance of allowing you to win simply by playing your role better than most people at your MMR. Because the small differences matter more when the skill disparity is not so huge. With huge skill disparities, mismatched lanes can get fed horrendously before 10 minutes and the game is over regardless of your skill level.

KazaJhodoJun 11, 20182 votes

This is exactly how the game feels currently. Like a waste of time.

DragonSheaJun 11, 20182 votes

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OlívíaJun 11, 20182 votes

Why can't they just make it so people who have win streaks play with people who also have close to same situation :\ or at least make all the players in the match be on the same mmr instead of putting in random lower mmr players :\

I feel really discouraged climbing as I have firsthand experienced having this false security of win streak only to face tragic losing streak because of unfair matchmaking. I remember when I experienced reattempting to get out of silver I 4 times in a row in a week and it feels really bad as I have no idea how I get to queue in with silver V and Bronze III-V players when my enemy team is mid-high silver and low gold to mid gold tier.

GØÐSLAYERJun 11, 20181 votes

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Why can't they just make it so people who have win streaks play with people who also have close to same situation :\ or at least make all the players in the match be on the same mmr instead of putting in random lower mmr players :\

I feel really discouraged climbing as I have firsthand experienced having this false security of win streak only to face tragic losing streak because of unfair matchmaking. I remember when I experienced reattempting to get out of silver I 4 times in a row in a week and it feels really bad as I have no idea how I get to queue in with silver V and Bronze III-V players when my enemy team is mid-high silver and low gold to mid gold tier.

100% agree. The issue with Silver I also is that completely new to ranked players (i.e. actual new players and smurfs) will be doing their placement matches around this division, making games especially imbalanced. Promos to Gold get really weird. On my other acct. I've had 3 unranked people and one Silver 3 vs. a team where every player was between G3 and G5. This was in my last promo game and the game i needed to win to get into gold, but i ended up losing and then dropping to 40 ish lp after a few more games. You can say I was tilted, but a few of those games had shady as fuck matchmaking.

NegusInParisJun 11, 20182 votes

What I hate the most is that those hypercarries don't care if you have a higher mmr than him. if he plays vs a potato in lane and gets a quick 2-3 kills you are about to the knocked down haaard.