24-2, you surrender, but it fails, should you get reported for AFKing?

Arch Mage Magnus·Oct 29, 2014·3 votes·2,157 views

Played a game in which my team got slaughtered. I was support, did what I could.... but every lane lost horribly. I thanked the opposing team for a gg, it's over, and told my team to surrender. They honestly think they can farm CS and still win, when we have lost 4 turrets, and they have all theirs, and 2 dragons, with a 24-2 score.

Now.... would Riot ban you for just sitting at fountain and this point and doing something else productive while you wait for the inevitable? I have no problem accepting defeat, but I feel wasting my time sucks, so does wasting my opposing teams time when they also know it's over.

23 Comments

KzooCrasherOct 29, 201411 votes

Definitely ban worthy. If your team doesn't think the game is over you saying gg and quitting early is ban worthy. If riot wanted one person to decide a game is lost they would have made a the surrender vote 1 instead of four. If the team wants to keep trying you have the responsibility to keep trying to win or get reported.

GalacticBearsOct 29, 20145 votes

Agreed. Regardless of how the games going it's still doing just that; going. The term "throw" comes to mind. Also a lot of players in League have um..."ego issues" and tend to get very cocky giving you time to recover from bad starts.

SkaarrjjOct 29, 20142 votes

yeah no, im gonna afk no mater what in situations like that.

I don't do stupidity.

GhostStalkerOct 30, 20141 votes

Definitely ban worthy. If your team doesn't think the game is over you saying gg and quitting early is ban worthy. If riot wanted one person to decide a game is lost they would have made a the surrender vote 1 instead of four. If the team wants to keep trying you have the responsibility to keep trying to win or get reported.

Not really ban worthy if you ask me. People prolonging the game out of spite dont have a place in the game. And people who dont know when to surrender are just as bad if not worse than the people who surrender too easily.

Know your limits. Not surrendering just because you're adopting an "anime" centric style of neversurrenderbelievew/e just makes you a player who never learns from anything because you're unwilling to look at your own mistakes.

I find people who dont surrender games to blame others more often than not.

Deep Terror NamiOct 29, 20144 votes

If you're just going to give up, play a single player game please; don't ruin it for 9 other people.

Wehrmacht BunnyOct 29, 20142 votes

If you're just going to give up, play a single player game please; don't ruin it for 9 other people.

It's people like this I dislike the most about this game. The "Never Give UP, NEVER SURRENDER!" players. No matter how fed the enemy team is, no matter how much your team is losing(where anyone with a brain knows it's lost), will sit there and will always vote no. The reason why I dislike these players is because they sit there and waste my time when I could be getting into another match.

Honestly, the surrender button should succeed with 3/2 not 4/1. The majority want the match to end, but those 2 tryhards want the match to continue.

Deep Terror NamiOct 30, 20141 votes

If putting effort into winning a match at a disadvantage is an inconvenience to you, you shouldn't be playing a PvP game.

Wehrmacht BunnyOct 30, 20142 votes

If putting effort into winning a match at a disadvantage is an inconvenience to you, you shouldn't be playing a PvP game.

A slight or even medium disadvantage is no issue, what kills me about people like you is, the enemy could be all level 18, and your team could be all 13-14's, have all the towers down except for the nexus turrets and will still vote not to surrender, then will sit and drag out the match for 15+ minutes for no reason at all, then they can just feel good about themselfs not quitting.

If you can't accept surrender, maybe combat games are no place for you. Go play sonic the hedgechog or something.

Deep Terror NamiOct 30, 20141 votes

The problem is that people often vote to surrender at only a slight disadvantage. I'm not saying to never FF, get over yourself.

GhostStalkerOct 30, 20142 votes

If putting effort into winning a match at a disadvantage is an inconvenience to you, you shouldn't be playing a PvP game.

this is the most asinine thing I've heard about this topic. You have no idea what you're even talking about. If you did, you wouldnt say what you did.

Deep Terror NamiOct 30, 20141 votes

Oh no, a couple people don't like what I have to say, whatever will I do? My life is over, I quit GG

Arch Mage MagnusOct 29, 20143 votes

Thanks Skaarrij and Eternal Zen. I under stand playing, and possibly learning.... but at that point you will not learn anything aside from how fast you can be auto to death by someone with a 10K gold lead and 3 levels on you. I wasn't toxic about it.... I said we are beat, gg' in all chat; the other team responds with gg while my team is all "ITS NOT OVER NOOB JUST CS AND WIN".

I don't like wasting anyone's time, and at that point it's true. Even as you said Eternal, if they have 2 people drop.... honestly... that sucks but they deserve the win for out playing us. Coming back and winning that would be even more wrong than me sitting at fountain. I think it's more honourable to accept defeat and be OK with it (hence why surrender is even an option) than to play un-winnable odds and waste time.

Eternal ZenOct 29, 20142 votes

Yea exactly. People forget the reason they started playing this game was to have fun and be entertained. I suppose I cannot speak for everyone (though I think reasonable assumptions could be made) but for me getting stomped the way you described does not teach me anything nor is it enjoyable in the least. I don't mind you loosing, some of the most fun games I've played here I've lost because the matches were that close. But no one likes getting stomped (even if they say the do I call em liars).

To be fair I think people are hyper sensitive on this topic because there are a lot of people who give up too easy. It does go both ways and I think when you see the responses to your posting that Gergosh and GalacticBars gave I like to believe it is in effort of encouraging people to keep fighting when they do have the ability to win. Many players, I think younger and newer ones, give up way before a match is actually over. Especially in lower tiers turn arounds happen very easily and with the S4 changes it's ridiculously hard to guarantee a win for sure if matched against equally competent players. So yes, a lot of players give up when they shouldn't.

But that's not the description you gave nor the impression I got from your post. The game you described you were yes, very beaten and your attitude was reasonable.

SageoffireOct 29, 20142 votes

If the enemy team us up 20 to 2 in kills, and haven't won yet, they are probably doing something wrong. try to take advantage of it. All it takes is ONE failed teamafight on their part for you to get back a lot of lost ground.

Or they might be draging the game out cause they are having fun in such a stomp, so have fun with them. turn on allchat and challenge them to a 1 on 1 at baron, claim they only won because they were hacking or something. run into their team and /dance, they will probably join you. just because you clearly lost, doesnt mean you cant enjoy yourself.

NEVER afk or leave. that is black and white. you wont get in trouble for it once or twice for legitimate emergency reasons , but eventually its going to catch up to you if you simply leave games you dont think are winable. .

AtheosisXOct 29, 20142 votes

You've got to love when the people who are 1-12 are the ones who refuse to surrender. It really feels like you are being trolled at that point.

Eternal ZenOct 29, 20141 votes

I personally would not report you if I was on your team. I've had those games too and I completely understand your position. I generally do not go afk simply so that I don't get reported, but that doesn't mean I agree with what I perceive to be my teams blind stubbornness. Yes, it could happen that two of their team members have connections issues and all of a sudden a 5v3 happens and you end up winning. I've seen it happen before actually it's not that uncommon. However, in games such as the one you described often even a 5v3 could still be very difficult to win. In general I think a huge majority of the player base in this game is like I said, blindly stubborn and don't know when they are beaten. I would describe these people as foolish and hard headed. But I mean there is a long list of social etiquette that is used in this game that I could rant about forever. A lot of it is very misguided and only practiced because the majority practice it without really stopping to reflect on why they do/say the things they do. Most people are sheep.

TLDR: Most LOL players would report you, I wouldn't.

WorgslargOct 29, 20141 votes

While I understand the sentiment, It's still afking.

What I would rather see is that a 3-2 surrender vote would pass if your team is down by X amount of gold/towers.

GalacticBearsOct 29, 20141 votes

I would like to clarify that I understand your predicament, I'm generally able to tell how my matches will go before 20 minutes has passed. Once you start racking up the amount of time some of us have in League you get to understanding patterns and how matches "flow" if you will. In the described situation its highly unlikely that you'd comeback and even more unlikely you'd win. That sucks. Period. That still does not make quitting acceptable. Recognizing defeat while still playing is the only acceptable option. What you can do regardless of infighting among your team or just being beat is give constructive criticism.

This is more than a little unpopular due to the fact a lot of players will say "STFU I KNOW WHAT I'M DOING NOOB!" when everything (farm, build, kda, map awareness, err LACK of map awareness) indicates otherwise. Often times when your teams getting that severely beaten basic mechanics and understanding of the game are absent. Don't join in the flame war that's generally happening at this point, instead make suggestions. "Hey so and so and so upgrade your trinket" Just reminding them that they can upgrade their trinket will promote more use of it. "Hey so and so because they're building hp items can you build Bork?" Reminding people no build is absolute and every build should be flexible to the other teams build.

At minimum you ATTEMPTED to improve the game instead of just giving up. An attempt is much more appreciated and respected than flat out AFKing. That's the easy way out and for lack of a better term a cowards route. I know it's "just a game" and it's meant to be fun, but did you start playing because League was easy or because it was a challenge "every" match?

Eternal ZenOct 29, 20141 votes

I completely disagree Galactic.

"That still does not make quitting acceptable. Recognizing defeat while still playing is the only acceptable option. "

This is your OPINION and is not a rule/law inherent to LOL. Further more it is an extremists opinion which I'm willing to bet has no rational or reasonable defense. The "no quitting" culture is common to American culture and is often misguided and misunderstood. Tell me, why shouldn't you surrender when you are beaten and you know it? Give me a reasonable rational answer for your OPINION. In many cultures it is considered honorable to have the humility and respect to acknowledge you have lost. What does continuing to play grant you or anyone else when it is an obvious loss as the OP described? It does not contribute to becoming a better player. Nor does it contribute to the enjoyment of the game. In fact I would make the argument that it directly contradicts the purpose of the GAME, which for me (and I think most) is to have fun. Forcing yourself and others to continue a match as the one described causes stress and angst. These emotions then become associated with the game itself and I would continue to argue contribute to the negative emotional atmosphere that runs rampant in this game.

It is blind attitudes such as yours that contribute to toxicity and hate between players. Your attitude is we should force an unpleasant un-enjoyable experience without reason or justification, certainly without motive. Again I stress, in these circumstances there is nothing to be learned and only further stress and negativity to be had. It is foolish, arrogant, and blind of you to hold such misguided OPINION without reflecting on your own views and being able to justify them. YOU contribute to a negative atmosphere in this game. Again, your opinion is not law and your attitude that it "is the only acceptable option" is incredibly arrogant and judgmental of you. It's honestly offensive but it is a very common attitude here in this game. it's the "I know better than everyone else" attitude. Wake up man.

AnomalousChimeraOct 29, 20142 votes

I hate it when my team won't agree to surrender, but I would never wait at the fountain. Yes, I get mad that my time is being wasted, but waiting at the fountain is against what is considered acceptable by the LoL community, so doing so would only encourage people to rage at you. Yes, I do know that toxicity can occur in many situations (when teams refuse to surrender when down 0-20, etc.), but the only thing I can say is that one should just keep your calm at all times. I never flame people in my matches. If we are losing badly, I pray that my team will have the sense to surrender. If not, I am just resigned to playing the game. There is literally no reason to wait at the fountain considering that going AFK is a reportable offense and will get the rest of the team on your heels like hounds. While you consider stalling a game which will inevitably result in defeat toxic, others (a good chunk of the playerbase) will consider waiting at the fountain toxic. This is made worse by people who wait at fountain after giving up first blood, and one should remember that players are more likely to remember their worst experiences rather than good ones. I would like to see statistics on percentages of matches ending on a surrender for all regions to see if this is just a problem with the NA server, but I suspect that the numbers would be similar for all regions.

PandarisOct 29, 20142 votes

This is your OPINION and is not a rule/law inherent to LOL

No going AFK is a reportable offence not his opinion

honorable to have the humility and respect to acknowledge you have lost

Yes many cultures also show respect to the decisions and wishes of their "comrades" or teammates

Yeah i get it, ive sat in games i thought were complete losses before and well still lost but ive had those few games where we do manage to pull victory from the jaws of defeat. Would i say it was worth it? No not really, but in over 4000 damage between 2700 wins and 1500 losses ive only left around 5-10 games and they were for real life events that required me to leave.

Really its simple as that, do you have enough respect for the other 9 people in the game to stay and play or do you have so little respect for 9 other human-being feelings and just leave.

All that aside it is against the summoners code to leave the game reguardless which makes all the moral and speculative talk pointless you can be banned for showing a pattern of leaving the game.

-Pandaris

GalacticBearsOct 31, 20141 votes

I completely disagree Galactic.

"That still does not make quitting acceptable. Recognizing defeat while still playing is the only acceptable option. "

This is your OPINION and is not a rule/law inherent to LOL. Further more it is an extremists opinion which I'm willing to bet has no rational or reasonable defense. The "no quitting" culture is common to American culture and is often misguided and misunderstood. Tell me, why shouldn't you surrender when you are beaten and you know it?

Gonna stop you right there. No surrender? Not once ever did I say don't surrender or imply don't surrender. Surrender is in this game to do just that. Games like his should have been surrendered, but they didn't. That's what this is about. When your team doesn't surrender you do not give up and afk. That "extremist attitude" only applies when your team did not surrender. This game is not about you or any one person. It's about a group of people. Surrendering is a democratic process which, if it fails even when you should surrender, means you keep playing unless the game ends beforehand.

My post not only condemned toxic behavior I did the opposite of that. You share a mentality my roommate has which is "if it's broke fuck it and buy a new one". When things are going really poorly you can quit/afk/dc/rage/feed/whatever negative behavior. THAT breeds toxicity. My post if you read and understand the* WHOLE THING says to at LEAST start giving your teammates pointers. You don't even have to do that, you could focus on simply pinging and warding. You could farm your jungle preventing the enemy from taking your buffs and getting your gold. You could defend your base there's better options than quittingWHEN YOUR TEAM DOESN'T WANT TO*.

The reason/justification is your team hasn't quit. Your ***team ***hasn't given up. Your team is still playing. You opted into a team so regardless of how poorly things are going for the team you're with them till the game ends. That's what I'm an extremist on. Loyalty, even if it's to complete strangers in a fun setting, is a principle almost every culture agrees on. Especially when you chose to join that team in the first place not like you were forced into it.

blaquedynamiteOct 29, 20141 votes

See and i believe that if im 0/1/0 and two people on my team are 0/8 that is MUCH more ban worthy than me quitting. Its a waste of time. Ive been having games in hexakill where ill be like 6/1/6 but we are down 35-10. At some point i want to surrender. I tried my hardest for 15 minutes and the game is lost. And then the people feeding have the nerve to get mad when i start playing like them and go 0/10 after i went 6/1 saying the will report me for feeding. I dont actually go in and feed intentionally i just stop making smart decisions.I just dont understand why i have to put of with a slaughter for 20 more minutes in order to have good sportsmanship.