Suggestion for making fiora jg viable for more champion diversity in the role

Th3 Rift Hero·Nov 16, 2018·7 votes·5,129 views

I think adding vitals to large and epics monsters would help, and if it would be too strong, setting a maximum damage may works.

14 Comments

TheSingularityNov 16, 20182 votes

Her ganks would be what keeps her out of the jungle. Like many single target dmg junglers, once they get tiamat they're fine. However her ganks are absolutely abysmal as is her objective control

Warlord RhinarkNov 16, 20181 votes

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Her ganks would be what keeps her out of the jungle. Like many single target dmg junglers, once they get tiamat they're fine. However her ganks are absolutely abysmal as is her objective control

Her slow on E should help the problem somewhat, right?

And if not, she can always buy a Frozen Mallet or take Glacial Augment.

TheSingularityNov 16, 20181 votes

Barely. If we think about other junglers with low to no CC, they farm til 6 for a gnak tool. Eg noc, yi, shyvana. Fiora doesn't have this. Frozen mallet wouldn't come online until beyond the time at which you'll be ganking. Taking glacial augment would crush your clears

Warlord RhinarkNov 16, 20181 votes

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Barely. If we think about other junglers with low to no CC, they farm til 6 for a gnak tool. Eg noc, yi, shyvana. Fiora doesn't have this. Frozen mallet wouldn't come online until beyond the time at which you'll be ganking. Taking glacial augment would crush your clears

Taking Glacial Augment shouldn't be that detrimental if these vitals are implemented and she builds a Tiamat though, right?

TheSingularityNov 16, 20183 votes

The problem in that case is she then doesn't sacrifice anything. Trade offs are key to a champion. Tanks sacrifice clears for god tier ganks. Power farmers sacrifice ganks for god tier clears. Then you have champions who can do 50/50 Non meta mage junglers sacrifice both for their objective control

This change would allow fiora to do 100/100. There would be zero downside to taking her jungle. If you want her to gank well, then bye bye clears. If you want her to clear well. Bye bye ganks. She's too strong a duelist to get the best of both worlds

Warlord RhinarkNov 16, 20181 votes

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The problem in that case is she then doesn't sacrifice anything. Trade offs are key to a champion. Tanks sacrifice clears for god tier ganks. Power farmers sacrifice ganks for god tier clears. Then you have champions who can do 50/50 Non meta mage junglers sacrifice both for their objective control

This change would allow fiora to do 100/100. There would be zero downside to taking her jungle. If you want her to gank well, then bye bye clears. If you want her to clear well. Bye bye ganks. She's too strong a duelist to get the best of both worlds

I doubt that taking Glacial Augment alone instantenously makes you a "god-tier ganker".

If that was the case, a lot more people would pick it up.

TheSingularityNov 16, 20181 votes

People don't pick it up because no one wastes their time on champions that can't gank. Because ganking is everything in this meta. If you can't gank you can't jungle. If you can't jungle you just forced a 4v5

Warlord RhinarkNov 16, 20181 votes

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People don't pick it up because no one wastes their time on champions that can't gank. Because ganking is everything in this meta. If you can't gank you can't jungle. If you can't jungle you just forced a 4v5

No, I mean, if Glacial Augment is so great, why do champions that already gank really well not take it?

TheSingularityNov 16, 20181 votes

Because there's no point. The enemies die by the time their CC is over. Think of it like this. If you were going to build frozen mallet, why would you take G augment or vice versa? You wouldn't because you already have sufficient CC and glacial augment will do very little in improving gank success

Warlord RhinarkNov 16, 20181 votes

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Because there's no point. The enemies die by the time their CC is over. Think of it like this. If you were going to build frozen mallet, why would you take G augment or vice versa? You wouldn't because you already have sufficient CC and glacial augment will do very little in improving gank success

I'm afraid I'm confused.

If Glacial Augment does very little to improve gank success, why did you say Fiora would have no downside if she took it along with the vitals and Tiamat?

If she's still "meh" tier at best at ganking, then she still has a weakness.

TheSingularityNov 16, 20181 votes

Champions that are good at ganking, are such because they have the necessary tools to get a guaranteed result 99% of the time, be it a flash, kill or forced recall. That's with their base kits alone Taking glacial augment on these types of champions will not turn that 99 into 100, it will go from 99 to 99. Because of diminishing returns. Because the rune will never come into play Eg let's use nautilus as an example. He CC locks them until death with his base kit. Why would glacial augment help in this situation? Because the enemy has been hit by even stronger tools than glacial augment: hard CC, hooks, obscene dmg ect. Or nocturne. Lands his Q, activates E. For that entire fight he's fast or the enemy is feared. Glacial augment is practically irrelevant.

Fiora is different because she lacks these tools. She trades them for her potential damage output and lane power. By taking glacial augment, she gives herself a tool she otherwise would never have and sacrifices very little for it as she can still take a damage tree. Anyone can get damage or beef. But reliable crowd control wasn't something you could just grab until runes reforged. Since fiora doesn't already have strong CC in her kit, this rune is more meaningful on her than it is others

Warlord RhinarkNov 16, 20181 votes

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Champions that are good at ganking, are such because they have the necessary tools to get a guaranteed result 99% of the time, be it a flash, kill or forced recall. That's with their base kits alone Taking glacial augment on these types of champions will not turn that 99 into 100, it will go from 99 to 99. Because of diminishing returns. Because the rune will never come into play Eg let's use nautilus as an example. He CC locks them until death with his base kit. Why would glacial augment help in this situation? Because the enemy has been hit by even stronger tools than glacial augment: hard CC, hooks, obscene dmg ect. Or nocturne. Lands his Q, activates E. For that entire fight he's fast or the enemy is feared. Glacial augment is practically irrelevant.

Fiora is different because she lacks these tools. She trades them for her potential damage output and lane power. By taking glacial augment, she gives herself a tool she otherwise would never have and sacrifices very little for it as she can still take a damage tree. Anyone can get damage or beef. But reliable crowd control wasn't something you could just grab until runes reforged. Since fiora doesn't already have strong CC in her kit, this rune is more meaningful on her than it is others

My one question is then:

Would giving Fiora the ability to trigger vitals on large monsters be broken?