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Ranked in diamond is purely based on who's got more autofill players.

option paralysis··60 votes·6,808 views

I had sooo many people telling me they've stopped playing ranked after they reached diamond, because every time they climb higher, like to diamond 1-2, they immediatly have unwinnable losing streaks all the way back to d5. I was thinking how the fuck is that possible, until I experienced it myself. Literally nothing you do matters and you lose 5 games for every game you win. I just dunno what to do anymore. I took a month break, started again yesterday, won 1 lost 3 games. LOL 1 had an afk, 1 had an "lol i dont care karma building gunblade" and one we lost normally. On top of that, I'm a support main, and even when I try my hardest and heal the fuck out of everyone, there's always that one dude that accidentally gets caught out in a 40 min game and it's gg, So aggravating. Idk, maybe I'm just not good enough to break that barrier, but I had a 60% win rate while in diamond 2, now I'm back all the way to d5 with a 50% win rate, because of so many losses.

105 Comments

the weeaboo24 votes

If I made this exact same post but for Bronze you guys would just flame and tell me to get good lol

FioraWillCarry3 votes

I was thinking the same thing. High elo players are hypocrites. This game is luck. Even they know that. They just like to look down on low elo dudes because it makes them feel good.

Nesudeus1 votes

To say that this game is luck is just delusional. A challenger player can get to challenger consistently, even starting from bronze. Same for a diamond player. Same for a bronze player. You get the rank that you deserve.

Sand lord10 votes

Mid to high diamond has a much lower population pool and autofills happen a lot more. A lot of people also reach diamond by focusing on playing just 2-3 champs or being a one trick. Autofill really does disrupt games a lot more in diamond. Someone who got to diamond II by being a Katarina one trick and getting autofilled bot lane is really going to disrupt team balance significantly.

IcyPepper2 votes

In the old system, what happened if one-tricks of the same lane got matched on the same team together?

Jorencice4 votes

They dodged.

Sand lord5 votes

There was usually a dodge.

the weeaboo11 votes

If I said this about Bronze people would just tell me to learn one than one role and call me an entitled baby.

Just accept high ELO players are hypocrites

Sand lord4 votes

No. You are clueless about how much destabilizing autofill is in high elo. I explained it the best I could.

dunder kill3 votes

Yeah so destabilizing that high ELO actually didnt exist during pick order. Fact.

Weasel Kensei6 votes

So youre saying that if you take a group of players of similar skill levels, and 1 or 2 of them have a handicap... it only matters at higher skill levels, and isnt a proportional effect in a lower skill level game?

A lot of people also reach diamond by focusing on playing just 2-3 champs or being a one trick.

A lot of people also try to climb out of Bronze/Silver by focusing on playing just 2-3 champs or being a one trick.

Being autofilled throws you out of your comfort zone, probably means you cant play your best champ, hurts your team... somehow you think this is of greater impact in higher elo. All you can say is because.... just because its higher elo... thats all. I could easily argue that a lower skilled player will do much worse in a match being autofilled and have a greater negative impact than a higher skilled player and therefore its worse in lower ranks.

hi im alphonse1 votes

Yes it's destablizing in low elo, but that's partially mitigated by there being wayyyy more people in low elo than high elos. The fact that theres so many low elo players means theres a much larger pool of players who actually queued up for the roles in the game. Since D+ elo has significantly fewer players, autofill happens more often and so ends up disrupting high elo games more often.

its me brna1 votes

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Yes it's destablizing in low elo, but that's partially mitigated by there being wayyyy more people in low elo than high elos. The fact that theres so many low elo players means theres a much larger pool of players who actually queued up for the roles in the game. Since D+ elo has significantly fewer players, autofill happens more often and so ends up disrupting high elo games more often.

The issue is, the system FORCES auto fill. This isn't just a problem relating to Diamond, it's everywhere. Players at high ELO's are good enough that they can carry in just about any position against lower tier players. At their own tier they're playing against players equal to them at their best, so it's a bigger issue there.

TwiceCut1 votes

It’s way worse in higher elo bc people punish mistakes and snowball way harder. In low elo you can get away with a lot more and people throw more often. If you die in lane in high elo, you will get zoned ridiculously hard

QuickenedBlade1 votes

The reasons are different. You're all just blatantly bad at the game period. Diamonds have game sense, but can specialize in one thing. Skill gap is smaller in higher elos, which makes every small change fuck over the whole game.

the weeaboo1 votes

lol come down from your high horse bud, unless you are a professional or a streamer i don't care how good or bad you are at the game because at the end of the day you are just a guy who puts a few hours too many into playing an online game.

Diamonds aint shit and the fact that posts like this get more attention just because they are good is completely stupid because they make up less than 1% of all players in the world

QuickenedBlade1 votes

Buddy. You have 1250 hours of this game and you're bronze 3 with a negative winrate over 200 games. The only reason your winrate is as high as 47% is because ur spamming the shit out of Kass while he's busted. Calm your pepperoni titties down about putting too many hours into an online game. I compete in tournaments for free shit and can get scholarships for esports. Between the both of us, you're the only one wasting time on this game.

the weeaboo1 votes

i'm just enjoying myself i dont really care about ranked or anything. anyway with kass ill be out soon seeing as ive jumped two divisions in two days. i dont really want to have this arguement right now.

have a nice day.

QuickenedBlade3 votes

wowzers ur jumping from the shittiest tier to a little better than the shittiest tier dont get anything out of it regardless

Pierce The Veal2 votes

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Mid to high diamond has a much lower population pool and autofills happen a lot more. A lot of people also reach diamond by focusing on playing just 2-3 champs or being a one trick. Autofill really does disrupt games a lot more in diamond. Someone who got to diamond II by being a Katarina one trick and getting autofilled bot lane is really going to disrupt team balance significantly.

Usually in low elo the issue is less the autofill, more the general populace being shitty.

ItsOrval1 votes

Because bronze - high gold have bad mechanics, plat has decent mechanics but think they need to carry every game, Diamond+ have good mechanics but it doesnt matter when someone is playing a role they dont know.

Salron16 votes

"You should be able to play 4-5 roles xd" - low elo players who don't understand that no one in high elo actually does that

Skorch10 votes

I would say thats correct, but at the same time a lot of high elo players also know HOW to support.

Cocho3 votes

you can get autofilled into jg or adc.

Sanctimonious2 votes

The obligatory autofilled janna / lulu sit back and peel for adc

Velzard of Koz3 votes

It's usually golds who say that, don't put us bronzies who are lower into that bag. We all just want to push ourselves into the midlane. Kappa.

YumaS2Astral1 votes

I think you should still be able to play all roles at a decent level just in emergency cases that you really need to play a certain lore. You just won't play your main role 100% of time. Of course this doesn't mean that autofill is not a problem and that the aforementioned problem is not real. Just that sometimes you must be prepared. It would be horrible if you had to play support without being prepared for example.

Pommel Knight13 votes

I mean I would be ok if Autofill was only for support. But putting me in the role of adc, or other people as junglers or midlaners is horrible. Those are high impact roles that someone who doesn't main or second role them is going to lose. I fell form d3 80lp and game up when I dropped to d5.

It's just meta picks and whoever has an auto-fill loses.

Fairyfleur6 votes

So support isn't important?

Eedat10 votes

Not trying to be a dick but you can always play this thing Janna and not really have a good idea of what to do and still be very effective.

Thats what I do anyway

Fairyfleur1 votes

Of course, but they were saying that the role of support has no impact. Not "Even if they don't know much of how to play support, they can still do well."

Zerenza1 votes

It's not very impactful, a supports screw ups don't usually effect the entire team, unless the support is flat out feeding or acting stupid then the role has the least likelyhood of affecting the entire game as a whole. The only real thing a support does that affects the game as a whole is ward, and sometimes in certain matchups you simply can't ward because your always under your own tower.

In mid lane though if you simply push slightly to far up your almost certainly going to get ganked, a good midlaner knows that but also know their limits and how to get away from said gank, so then the enemy midlaner or jungler doesn't get fed and the game doesn't snowball out of control. A midlaner is also responsible for roaming, CSing and lane pressure whereas a support rely's on their ADC for most anything that involves lanning phase.

IcyPepper5 votes

The only real thing a support does that affects the game as a whole is ward,

Yup, because saving your life with a Lulu/Soraka ult or catching the enemy out with a good hook/stun is never game-changing.

If all you see the support as is a warding bot, then you really don't know the role. That's like saying all the ADC is good for is killing towers...

RedCyclone6 votes

Having a autofilled support is going to impact the game a lot less negatively then having a autofilled adc

As a support main it's beginning to feel like the system that used to favor us because people didn't play support so much is now punishing us Most my games I get a autofilled adc, look up the enemy botlane, it's a double diamond and their Lucians KD is 20/2...In that situation what the fuck do i do as a support? I can't rely on my autofill to do anything, i'd like to roam into other lanes but all get is "PING ? PING ? PING ? GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY LANE" So im stuck in botlane, dying when my adc does, just waiting to get flamed because my goddamn adc is autofilled

crippler381 votes

He could be saying that he knows support and auto fill being limited to support roles would mean everyone would only need to learn 3 roles, their main 2 and support.

Or less if they mained support.

PhantomGG11 votes

My thoughts. Diamond is literalyl the best of the best players in league. Once you reach diamond you basically beat league of legends. The only thing left to do now, is to to find a way to get even better and reach master/challenger, or just start a stream/youtubing channel and talk about how you got to diamond.

Personally I don't see why you are so upset. Like you got to Diamond, the only way you get to challenger is if you are legit, inhumanly gifted. I hate to sound like a pessimist, but if you don't have that inhumane talent, than their frankly isn't much left for you to do. You reached your peek of skill. Such is life. It's a game, just have fun with it.

Velzard of Koz4 votes

Diamond is literalyl the best of the best players in league.

And yet Challenger and Masters think of you Diamonds as lower level. Tobias feeling "embarassed" for being stuck in Diamond in one debate with Dyrus; The whole drama with NB3 when Qutiepie jokingly belittled the importance of someone else's game because "They had a fucking D5 player against them". etc.

It's possible If there was a new rank above Challenger, Masters would be looked upon as those lower-level players by those in the new rank.

Like you got to Diamond, the only way you get to challenger is if you are legit, inhumanly gifted.

From watching Challengers, I don't feel like it's "inhuman gift" that makes the difference between Diamond and Challenger, but experience. Quitiepie doesn't seem "inhumanly gifted", just so experienced he can very quickly react to most of situations and they all know how to chill most of the time. While saying they are "gifted" may sound like compliment, it implies it is innate and may offend the effort they had to put into their gameplay to get into such positions.

Leonerdo2 votes

I'm pretty sure it's talent AND practice that gets people into Challenger. Like maybe 70% of it is practice, but you can't be in the top 200 of a region (out of 1,000,000) without at least a little genetic advantage. Likewise, just because you are a literal genius, doesn't mean you can get to Challenger without making League your life.

(Now that I'm thinking about it, I'm really curious what the distribution is for the IQ of challenger/pro players.)

Oh, and Diamond is still pretty damn amazing in my book. It's achievable for us plebs, but not without years of dedication (in most cases).

Jorencice2 votes

Lol speaking of qtpie I have a friend who's a challenger who fucking hates playing with him.

He has to give up his ADC role because if he forces qtpie to go elsewhere he feeds his ass off.

Siegfriedx11 votes

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My thoughts. Diamond is literalyl the best of the best players in league. Once you reach diamond you basically beat league of legends. The only thing left to do now, is to to find a way to get even better and reach master/challenger, or just start a stream/youtubing channel and talk about how you got to diamond.

Personally I don't see why you are so upset. Like you got to Diamond, the only way you get to challenger is if you are legit, inhumanly gifted. I hate to sound like a pessimist, but if you don't have that inhumane talent, than their frankly isn't much left for you to do. You reached your peek of skill. Such is life. It's a game, just have fun with it.

Diamond is not the best from league man. Diamond 3+ is when you start getting that.

PhantomGG1 votes

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Diamond is not the best from league man. Diamond 3+ is when you start getting that.

Honestly i'm done with this "oh its not silver, it's gold, it's not gold it's plat, it's not plat it's diamond" logic HERE IS THE TRUE STORY of the lol

Bronze-Really bad players, most the time new to the game, can't even memorize a basic combo or map rotation strat

Silver- They know the game well enough to have fun with it, this honestly the weirdest of all the elos because it has the most diversity of players in terms of skill and knowledge. But typically what you can expect from a silver is mediocrity and nothing more.

Gold-Above average, you got the early signs of good players in this elo, but they still have bad habbits from back in their silver days

Plat-An actually decent, good player, they shaken off a lot of bad habbits, and they have a solid concept of both math play and mechanical play.

Diamond- Absolute monsters at this game, they are that kid you invite to a gamer party, who absolutely destroys everyone in street fighter/brawl, hes absolutely unbeatable. He's so freaken good to the point he is a pleasure to watch to the point they do moves you didn't even think were possible.

Master/Challenger- If diamond was filled with monsters than these are the Gods. They are that kid who left high school than instantly got a CEO position at a major company. They aren't even gamers at this point, they are gifted geniuses. They will take a plat player, someone who is suppose to be "actually decent' and make them look terrible.

I am so done with the "oh it's not X it's Y where it's at" argument, it was invented as a way to belittle people in lower elo, and it's so freaken gross, all you are doing id belittling someone elses accomplishments.

dunder kill6 votes

Time for this exact same QQ thread a twentieth time I see

Ben Sharpio2 votes

wait, THIS IS THE SAME FUCKING GUY ??????

dunder kill2 votes

Lol yeah

Titanium706 votes

Sometimes I really wonder how anyone was able to play this game in a time where each team had 5 fills consistently.

QuickenedBlade1 votes

Kids learned how to play every role before playing ranked because they werent "entitled" to their role pre-game.

PhaseDives2 votes

its actually annoying autofill is just annoying

Scary Door2 votes

Ranked is purely based on who's got more autofill players.

FTFY

ModKnightsKemplar2 votes

Well, people on both teams are getting autofilled players. Statistically, you will climb if you are good enough. I don't see any way around that; yeah, losing streaks happen, but I don't see how a ranked system could possibly avoid that. That's basically what happened every single game when we didn't have any role selection; everyone but the first pick on each team was some degree of autofill.

TimX24968B1 votes

I wanna see a game where everyone is autofilled to their worst position on both teams and see how that goes.

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