Trundle deserves soloQ buffs too

Moody P·Jan 28, 2019·6 votes·4,756 views

Title. Trundle has one of the worst performances in the game across every ELO. Even though some tanks are making a return with recent buffs to Sejuani (who he now counters dramatically less after her changes to passive) he remains a weak pick.

Trundle has been neutered just as much as anyone else over his value in pro play but nobody is sympathetic to him unlike tanks. Because his pillar is so strong in coordinated play us normal people who like to play him have had to suffer.

Can we see buffs to Trundle for soloQ too? Buff his armor growth (which is second worst in the game), his AD, anything as compensation for his pillar being trashed so hard?

9 Comments

SyrileJan 28, 20191 votes

Agreed. I used to love playing Trundle. Not so much any more.

Warlord RhinarkJan 28, 20191 votes

I do not agree with your suggestions.

His Base AD is already the fifth highest in the game and he gets bonus AD from his Q.

And while his Armor growth is low, his base Armor is high. Plus, he already builds Armor items and steals Armor from the enemy Tank.

Here is what I'd do:

Make his passive an actual passive.

Increase the range to 1500 from 1400 and increase the health gain to 6 / 7 / 8 / 9 / 10% from 2 / 3 / 4 / 5 / 6%.

Make his Q slow an actual slow.

Increase the duration to 1 second, but reduce the amount to 50%.

Make his Frozen Domain more sustain oriented than just a gapcloser.

Increase the duration to 10 seconds from 8 seconds.

There, Trundle buffs without buffing any of his damage.

Moody PJan 28, 20193 votes

Utility buffs are pro play buffs. Bruiser-build Trundle is dead, has been dead, and he's been running IBG+Tank+Support tank items any time he's been decent since, like ,season 6 or 7.

He deserves a damage or a damage scaling bonus. Getting a decent chunk of AD isn't particularly impressive when you have exactly one means of applying it. Let Trundle be a proper Juggernaut again.

Warlord RhinarkJan 28, 20191 votes

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Utility buffs are pro play buffs. Bruiser-build Trundle is dead, has been dead, and he's been running IBG+Tank+Support tank items any time he's been decent since, like ,season 6 or 7.

He deserves a damage or a damage scaling bonus. Getting a decent chunk of AD isn't particularly impressive when you have exactly one means of applying it. Let Trundle be a proper Juggernaut again.

Well, therein lies the problem, does it not?

The fact that he builds purely Tank items means he's more effectively played as just a Tank, rather than a Bruiser.

And something played as a Tank, I.E someone who is meant to soak damage, can't also have a lot of damage on top of that.

Offense should outweigh Defense and vice versa (Juggernauts having a bit of both at the expense of mobility and utility).

But I'll be honest, you are probably more knowledgable than I am, so let's say he gets a damage buff.

Again, I'm against increasing his base AD, as it is already pretty high.

How about increasing the bonus AD scaling on his Q to 20 / 40 / 60 / 80 / 100 % from it's current 10 / 20 / 30 / 40 / 50%?

This would promote a more Bruiser-oriented build path by encouraging him to stack AD items in order to chunk with his Q harder (and also make the bonus AD from the Q itself more useful by making future Qs deal more damage as long as you keep the buff applied to you).

Would that suffice?

Side note: I don't think Trundle has ever been categorized as a Juggernaut. He wasn't in the Juggernaut update either.

Moody PJan 28, 20191 votes

You could raise his W AS more, then it's conditional on him being in the zone and damage items still become more valuable.

Trundle is a juggernaut, you can check the Wiki.

Warlord RhinarkJan 28, 20191 votes

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You could raise his W AS more, then it's conditional on him being in the zone and damage items still become more valuable.

The Attack Speed he gets from his zone is already pretty high at rank 5, being at 80%.

Aditionally, if we bring back Bruiser Trundle, Trinity Force will also see more play, which gives another 40% Attack Speed on top of it.

Plus, most Trundles go PTA as their Keystone whilst taking Legend: Alacrity and an Attack Speed Rune Shard.

Couple this with the fact that he has the 14th highest base AS in the game, and the fact that he has an auto attack reset (two, if he builds a Titanic Hydra), I'm pretty sure that Attack Speed is not the thing that Trundle is currently lacking.

I believe that if you really want to buff his Offensive capabilities and encourage him to buy more AD items, increase the AD scaling on his Q.

Trundle is a juggernaut, you can check the Wiki.

Well, the classification that the wikia uses is not exactly the same classification that Riot uses as far as I can tell.

Juggernauts don't even exist as a classification in the client, most are classified under "Fighter".

Poverty045Apr 10, 20191 votes

His Q just got buffed this patch to have ad scaling 20/40/60/80/100% and his e slow also got increased by 10% at all ranks I feel like this puts him in a good position as he can now build as a bruiser and is a lot better in the jungle as he can now actually gank

Serge THE GREATJan 28, 20191 votes

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Utility buffs are pro play buffs. Bruiser-build Trundle is dead, has been dead, and he's been running IBG+Tank+Support tank items any time he's been decent since, like ,season 6 or 7.

He deserves a damage or a damage scaling bonus. Getting a decent chunk of AD isn't particularly impressive when you have exactly one means of applying it. Let Trundle be a proper Juggernaut again.

Yeah that really bothers me about how he steals your AD but it only works on his autos and Q, lol. Honestly I think his W should just be changed to something else because as it is right now it's 'visually' fun to look at but it isn't very fun to use. And I do play a fair amount of Trundle top and I always feel like something is missing.

LovelleJan 29, 20191 votes

I can confirm he's not even a good pick into tanks right now. For example, Ornn can outduel him, does more damage, has more innate mitigation and does WAY better in teamfights.

Trundle just has no chance at all against the mobile burst champs that are popular right now, as he's weak against burst early game to begin with. This is why I don't understand his hard nerfs for competitive play only, where people are coordinated and consistently follow up on each other's plays. It pretty much cripples him for the average player, as he has plenty of weaknesses outside of that specific environment.