This isn't skill. This isn't "pro plays". This is legit a literal broken mechanic of Riven that you've allowed to go on for more than two years now while Fiddlesticks who had the same thing was taken immediate action against. Why the hell are you showing favortism? Fix her damn bug.
AlwaysByMySide19 votes[{quoted}](name=Burnt Light,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PIL5fmev,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-01-20T05:37:39.997+0000)
This isn't skill.
Yes it is, stop being jealous and stupid because Riven players who are better than you dominate you in lane. Learn how to play against her.
Burnt Light12 votes[{quoted}](name=Memeglaive Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PIL5fmev,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-01-20T05:39:42.447+0000)
Yes it is, stop being jealous and stupid because Riven players who are better than you dominate you in lane. Learn how to play against her.
No, this is not skill. This a bug that is being taken advantage of and has been shown favortism over other champions that have had the same thing but were fixed.
DunkinNoobs5 votes[{quoted}](name=Burnt Light,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PIL5fmev,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-01-20T05:42:09.274+0000)
No, this is not skill. This a bug that is being taken advantage of and has been shown favortism over other champions that have had the same thing but were fixed.
It is skill, but one I would argue has no place in this kind of game. There's no reason Riven shouldn't be able to do her fast Q combo by simply Q, right click, Q, rightclick, Q, right click. The only reason I've ever been given for there to be extra mechanical steps to make it harder to perform is because it increases Riven's skillcap, as if that's naturally a good thing. In a strictly PvP game like League, inputs should be as mechanically simple as is reasonable so we're battling our opponents and not the needlessly difficult controls. Because right now, Riven's animation canceling causes no interaction between Riven and her opponent, only Riven and her keyboard and mouse.
Orangesilk9 votesShe's not the only champion who can cancel animations though, hers are just ubiquitous and necessary due to the way her passive and Q work.
and Wukong (damn broken portrait) Need to cancel their AA with their Q for their trades to be half-decent.
I've never seen a Yasuo perform all his animations all the way through, it'd be an enormous waste of time. 
Rely on their auto resets as well. ANYONE who builds Tiamat/Hydra is wasting gold and an item slot if they don't cancel the active 
.
It's a mechanical skill that's been there for ages, it's only Riven happens to be the poster-girl, since she gets to use it so often.
Count Zubat2 votesI think there is a difference between animation canceling and resetting auto attack timer. While Tiamat users like Renekton and Talon make use of animation canceling by using Tiamat while W animation, the champions like Garen, Shyvana etc. don't cancel animations. They reset auto attack timers, I think it is completely different thing.
DunkinNoobs1 votesIs it really so hard to actually read? I don't have a problem with animation canceling itself. I have a problem with the fact that Riven's is needlessly difficult in order to justify how strong her fast Q combo is. Seriously, reading comprehension isn't that hard. I want her animation canceling to be easier, not harder.
LordGeovanni1 votesthere is a large diffrence between an auto attack reset and canceling the animation that riot deemed nessicary for the champion in order to do their skills.
SnugglePuggle941 votesIt is skill, but one I would argue has no place in this kind of game. There's no reason Riven shouldn't be able to do her fast Q combo by simply Q, right click, Q, rightclick, Q, right click. The only reason I've ever been given for there to be extra mechanical steps to make it harder to perform is because it increases Riven's skillcap, as if that's naturally a good thing. In a strictly PvP game like League, inputs should be as mechanically simple as is reasonable so we're battling our opponents and not the needlessly difficult controls. Because right now, Riven's animation canceling causes no interaction between Riven and her opponent, only Riven and her keyboard and mouse.
Dude. You know why she does that? Because of her passive! After she uses a spell, her AA does bonus physical damage! So she has to do what she does to get that damage off, so what if it's animation canceling? She's balanced around it, so learn to play against her or even ban her but stop QQing about something that doesn't need changed.
LordGeovanni1 voteswe know why she does its still not fair that riot makes her deems it nessicary to put her full animation in her kit and then you there is a bug that they just dont want to fix and allows her to break the animation that riot put into rivens kit to make her damage go a certain speed
IcyPepper19 votesRiven was balanced with animation cancelling in mind since two years ago.
Fiddlesticks, in his current state, would have to be rebalanced in order to keep that animation cancelling that cropped up.
Even if I'm no Riven fan, context is important.
shyv11 votesriven's animation cancelling is nothing like what fiddle's was.. his was an instant cast ult. that's fucking broken. hers just separates the good rivens from the bad ones. she's a garbage champ overall if you can't win lane it's probably because you're bad not because riot let her cancel her animations.
PROJECT MaXym2 votesRiven=Instant Cast Ult
Hello I am Bird1 votesBut her's shouldn't have a charge time in the first place.
PROJECT MaXym1 votesDid i say it should?
Hello I am Bird3 votesTbh I don't really understand the point of your post in general.
Only Play Darius10 votesWould you prefer that they remove her animation cancelling and increase her damage or base stats to compensate? I know I wouldn't.
If i'm going to get beat by Riven I prefer for there to be at least a little genuine skill involved
My Waifu Vanilla5 votesThis. People don't think about what countermeasures would have to be made to keep Riven at least somewhat viable if they remove the cancelling. If they remove the cancels with 0 compensation she will turn into an even WORSE Aatrox which is something astounding. On the other hand, if they over compensate with buffs she will be even more overbearing since (hate to break this to most of the board) outside of the animation cancelling, Riven's kit is damn near Garen/Warwick levels of simple. 3 buttons that are all basically fire and forget once you are in melee range and an Ult that says "more damage." The only 2 "difficult" things in her current kit are passive management and animation cancels, but removing the canceling and making her retain at least 80-90% of the strength animation cancelling gave her (which would have to be done to avoid being Aatrox level) will still make her rather overbearing.
Shonjl4 votesPeople seem to forget not everything has to have "compensation"
People seem to think if anything negative is done, there has to be a positive. I can see where OP is coming from since it is a blatant bug, doesn't matter if it weakens her, its still a bug.
Fiddle I felt is a good example since even if he had the same thing, do you think it would change him much currently? He is literally irrelevant no matter how good you are with him right now. But its bad for him, a big no no to a champ that is garbage atm but its alright for a champ that is still fairly decent to play?
My Waifu Vanilla1 votesExcept Fiddle is damn near a hypercarry with his ult IF he gets it off (which is rather hard due to the channel). His ult on its own can easily do 4500 damage at level 16 with no AP if all 5 members stand in it for the full 5 seconds. Worst comes to worse all 5 members are in for 2 seconds at any given time which means it deals 1800 damage with no AP. This ability has a .45 ratio PER second which means at roughly 650 AP (full build) the damage of his ult doubles to over 9000 on its own over 5 seconds to 5 targets (roughly 2k to each). This is all okay damage BECAUSE his ult has the extremely telegraphed channel to easily dodge it. If they kept the bug to avoid the channel there is NO way they would keep his ult damage as is since it does WAY too much damage and out damages almost all of Riven's kit combined (on its own).
LordGeovanni1 votesvs a team with no resistances and not trying to do anything at all. versus a real team there is play, counter play, build, counter build and has approximately over 15000 collective hp in the team taking the 4500 damage ult with absolutely no resistances and granted that they didnt try to stop fiddles ult or gate it and just stood there in it taking damage. while on the other had riven builds basically 1 resource scales off of that 1 resource like no other in the game with all of her skills and her passive with great mobility multiple cc and a build path that builds max cdr when her cdr was never high and is her only gating resource. riven has 6 useable spells available each rotation
My Waifu Vanilla1 votesThe thing is that the only "counterplay" for Fiddle with the bug is run from him since it removed the MAIN counterplay of interrupting the channel. This is also a 5v5 game so chances are someone on Fiddles's team has CC to help him out. Also, Fiddle will outrun most adcs in the game so they cannot really get away from him (325 ms for the ADC and 335 for Fiddle while Fiddle also has more %ms in his build thanks to Echoes). My Amumu landed the bandage? Sweet let me get in the middle of their team with my ultimate while they are now all CC'd by the Amumu ult. This scenario before rarely happened because fiddle would have to preemptively channel his ult before Amumu threw the bandage to get the same results.
Also, I doubt anyone besides their tank and fighter are building much MR to matter. AP mid may get an Abyssal and ADC/AD mid MIGHT get Maw/Scimitar but an ADC definitely isn't getting one of those until item 3/4 which is at least 16 minutes into the game so Fiddle could've had multiple full damage ults until that point.
LordGeovanni1 votesWhat do and dont build is on you. But fiddle sticks had something thing that allowed him to get his damage off more safely and more effectively while minimizeing counter play thats EXACTLY what riven is doing with her animation canceling getting damage off faster means that you lessen hp regen / second and lifesteal/second by killing people so fast with stupid scaleing. not that riven has ever been squishy
TacoTheKitten1 votesI mean for real, the only thing stopping a riven from just mashing q is the fact that it doesnt do enough damage alone to be useful. If riven's base stats were buffed to remove animation cancel, i feel riven would just more cancerous than ever, unfun to play as and against.
Myrmiron6 votesRiven hate threads are still a thing?
In that case, Riot! WHEN U FINALLY NERF RIGHTCLICK NOOBCHAMP OP ULT TRYNDAMERE?!!!11 Yeah season 1 was fun :3
TOgakUre RYU4 votesI guess this has always confused me. I always try to animation cancel with every champ. How is this really different than queueing up a spell chain or using aa to cancel a spell or attack animation? Once I realized what everyone was complaining about it seems kind of a men thing to worry about.
Dirty Roleplayer4 votesRiven has so much counter play nowadays. She is not god tier pick or overpowered. She sits with solid 48% win rate. And animation cancelling keeps her viable.
Gregor Gysi4 votesAnimation cancelling isn't unique to Riven, in fact practically every champion has it with Hydra. Only certain combinations that are deemed unhealthy (eg Kha'Zix E->W) get removed. That means that most animation cancels are deemed healthy and Riven is not an exception.
Restless Slumber4 votesIt's what makes her of any use in high elo. Without animation cancels she would lose her use at the competitive level.
NsEternal3 votesits exploiting a mechanic that can allow you to be a better player with her. many other champions can do this and i have figured it out which takes much time and practice to be good at it. the biggest issue is that riven is so weak that you need to know how to animation cancel in order to even play the champ past the plat V level, or else you will basically outright lose if the opponent knows what hes doing. youre just probably upset because you think shes BS because she has a hidden mechanic, its not cheating, its knowing how to play the game more efficiently than your opponent.
JQKAndrei3 votesWell, do you really want to argue about this?
The thing is that animation canceling is what allows good players to do well with her, and bad players to suck. If you remove this, Riven will receive huge compensation buffs, do you want that? Probably not.
I don't see the problem about this, animation canceling with Riven is so hard that it requires you to memorize it in your muscles, meaning any interruption (a.k.a. cc) will fuck it up. Hell, even Boxbox fails to anim-cancel very often, and that guy spent half of his life on Riven.
44czwnFiUW1 votesHers are as easy as cancelling any other aa, and her ult is exceptionally easy to, either your Internet sucks or you do.
JQKAndrei1 votesAs easy as animation cancelling? You probably don't have clear what you can actually do with Riven's animation cancelling.
Here, watch this (this is not as simple as aa cancelling)
44czwnFiUW1 votesNone of this is difficult, the single part that's hard (only by consuming time) is researching what spells it matters for.
JQKAndrei1 votesNow you're being irrealistic and biased.
Those are difficult by fact, there's probably nothing else in the game that's comparably difficult.
Pros do NOT excecute these combos perfectly and they fail those many times, so don't come to me saying "uh, these are not difficult, i'm faker 3.0" because you're just making a stupid out of yourself.
In order to prove your point right you are ready to lie blatantly telling that black is white, shame, you've lost credibility.
44czwnFiUW1 votesPressing buttons in order and in time is not difficult at all, people can do that at age 5. The "pros" fuck up because they are also concentrating on the actually difficult parts of the game like positioning, parts that have uncertainty and require you to understand probability and other unnatural concepts in a limited timeframe.
JQKAndrei1 votesMay you make a video of yourself doing some of those combos, reliably. And even when you'll be able to do it on targets standing still, you won't be able to do it on moving targets.
Just the fact that you have to practice in a custom game is enough to classify them as difficult.
And by the way, Riven's animation cancel is coded to be like that, it's nothing derived from any bug, it's intentional. It's not something that surprisingly appeared without anyone knowing.
44czwnFiUW1 votesAlready can do them and have used the good ones in matchmade games, but I don't really have the time to help flood video services with more content about an unimpressive component of this game.
I never said it was a bug and understand that if it were the entire game would be "bugged", so I'm not sure why you're telling me that...
JQKAndrei1 votes[{quoted}](name=Lux is Mai Waifu,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=PIL5fmev,comment-id=00130000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-01-23T14:54:16.940+0000)
Already can do them and have used the good ones in matchmade games.
Hardly believe this, it's easy to talk. I can also say I'm a master smurf without it being true.
Being so extremely confident of a thought without a single grain of proof or context other than "because I say so", from a silver player, and in such a derogatory and biased way makes your statements lose every single bit of credibility.
I'm not bashing you because you're silver, but you pretending that Riven is "easy" without giving any reason and/or accepting to engage a constructive chat isn't pleasant and just makes me think you're a troll wasting my time.
44czwnFiUW1 votesI don't have an hour to invest in showing you me doing really easy shit.
Half of the champions in the game teach you how to cancel animations. If you haven't gotten enough ambient practice with it just from playing and have to practice any of them in a custom (including Riven) then you are either terrible at video games or don't know what you are trying to do.
I haven't played enough ranked games for my elo to be relevant in a discussion since 2013, so do a bit more research next time.
KnightOfEloHell3 votesWhat? I don't get it.
First off, WHT Do People Hate Riven so much? She's so easy to lane against.
And I thought animation cancelling was normal for gameplay. I animation cancel my q as Mordekaiser.
IT'S FUNNY SHIT, AA cancel!! Of course, I use it when I know an enemy wants to all in and I need that q hit asap if I do.
But seriously, why so much Riven hate? I don't main or play her, but she is SO easy to beat.
I main Mord and Olaf in any lane or jungle.
Quepha2 votesIt is exactly what every adc has to do constantly in order to keep up with targets. There's nothing that bizarre or unintended about riven's animation canceling.
Asyde2 votesAnimation cancelling on riven is so damn hard to do in a pvp situation. It's not too bad against jungle champs where you literally get to sand there and focus on it. I'd say it takes a lot of damn skill to pull it off well against players
CrazedPorcupine2 votesEvery champion can animation cancel. Riven just has the capability of Abusing it better. Animation Canceling is what allows pros to "Orb Walk"
One thing I bet you didn't know was that you can actually animation cancel Kalista's Auto attack dash. It's actually pretty hard, but you can do it. You can animation cancel with just about every single champion, The only difference is it's effectiveness on them.
TacoTheKitten2 votesWhy the hell are you complaining about riven. Tbh she's pretty fairly balanced if you dont go 0/5 in lane like a dipshit and feed her like a fucking american at mcdonalds. She has people she counters, plenty of people who counter her, and has counterplay. How about instead of bitching about a champ who is actually pretty unique and cool, you learn to play against her so you can squash her into oblivion if someone picks her into you. And btw, riot definitely isn't going to respond to you if you make posts like this in such an aggressive manner. It's why there isn't a lot of red interaction on the gameplay boards, for fear of just getting hate and toxicity dumped on them.
La Barbotte2 votesbecause without this shes a bad champion, she get stomped by alot of champs now she istn hard to deal with so remove that and when you face her its free win
Avant Bard2 votesRiven was modeled after 2D fighting game characters, by my favorite designer Xypherous. Animation cancelling was an intentional design decision to help emulate this feeling and techniques derived from 2D fighters, and I think it was done well. It's also taken into account when she's balanced.
magic pole1 voteswhy are people still complaining about this?
riven's like a kat, a noob stomper but easy to play around
also, sure, let's remove her animation canceling mechanics and make innate to her kit! then bronze and silvers (which is also where riven is complained about most) will be able to animation cancel without having to go through the actual quick mechanics of it. i.e., all rivens will always be able to animation cancel XD
pro rusher 21 votesThe real question here is why are you allowed to type here? I mean stupid people that want to remove the point of only champion that is hard to play (only 14 .2% of players that bought riven how to AA Q MS prfectly bdw). JUST KIDDING :DD The real question here is why u point out riven? They removed it from fiddlesticks (oh no he was so ad and his aa did so much dmg. Omg biggest nerf ever) what about yi,teemo? They dont have aa animation cancel? No you have to point out riven becouse you probably feed her for first 15 minuthes. Than you cry:"nerf riven. She is so op" why dont you just ask to nerf kalista and yorik?