Make an op jg item, nerf jg champs in all other roles, and force them to only be good with said item

Valhalla Rising·Jul 10, 2015·47 votes·1,964 views

bravo....

30 Comments

Silents429Jul 11, 201511 votes

Oh hey none of you cared when they did it to Warwick.

Nidalee SO NYAAAJul 11, 20151 votes

I hate when they release an op jg item and nerf the champs that use it well. Sej for quite a while was hardly played but was she was already good but when cinderhulk came out Sej was played all over and now is getting nerfed just because of that item

Silents429Jul 11, 20151 votes

Sometimes some champions need to get knocked down a peg for others, Cinderhulk in general was balanced, and Sej was getting buffs.

In all honesty they should flip the coin by making a weaker jungle item and buffing champions it's meant for.

They partially did it for cinderhulk, and I'd say it went well.

RrettJul 11, 20151 votes

I don't care for ww to be fair.

Silents429Jul 11, 20151 votes

Good for you.

Nidalee SO NYAAAJul 11, 20151 votes

Yeah WW's kit is kinda hard to deal with. The fact he can clear the jungle on his first clear and have more then half hp

SchenixJul 12, 20151 votes

XinZhao Nunu Fiddlesticks Volibear

CreationFlawJul 10, 20154 votes

Shyvana

WutsKrakenJul 11, 20153 votes

item 3070 Warwick

ALL BECAUSE OF FREAKING item 3718

Sure, he can still pull some crazy stuff and currently synergizes VERY well with Sated Devourer, but he was basically gutted to the point he's weak as heck without a very strong on-hit item for him to abuse thanks to the original Skirmisher Sabre and Devourer, being able to proc off SO MUCH true damage

AngelSpiteJul 10, 20151 votes

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Sire HippingtonJul 10, 20151 votes

well, eve isn't forced into jungle cause off items...

Shac NorrisJul 12, 20151 votes

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well, eve isn't forced into jungle cause off items...

You used to be able to play her mid lane before they used their took their knife and gutted the shit out of her, now try and play her ap in the mid lane, i fking dare you

Sire HippingtonJul 12, 20151 votes

I didn't say that eve isn't forced into jungle, i did say that the reason for that is not a jungle item...

ChessburgerJul 11, 20151 votes

I really wish they just reverted this devourer change until further notice. It's disgustingly broken, and this is coming from someone who likes xin jungle. Get 1 early kill to finish devourer quickly and it's game over, unless you're an idget, or enemy team has another devourer abuser who also does well.

Game basically becomes devourer 1 vs devourer 2 and friends.

ErockandrollJul 11, 20156 votes

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I really wish they just reverted this devourer change until further notice. It's disgustingly broken, and this is coming from someone who likes xin jungle. Get 1 early kill to finish devourer quickly and it's game over, unless you're an idget, or enemy team has another devourer abuser who also does well.

Game basically becomes devourer 1 vs devourer 2 and friends.

They're never going to be able to balance the thing without player data. And don't blame it on the PBE. That Represents, probably less than 1% of the player base. Having a grand total of 1% of the player base tell you whether an item is balanced or not, does not comfort me at all.

Reverting the item is Counter productive to balancing it.

ChessburgerJul 11, 20151 votes

I didn't even mention PBE, it's just weird because a lot of people saw it coming and we're not exactly balance experts. You'd think professionals would have had more foresight. Especially since they've already been forced to remove a very similar item a few years back.

Linna ExcelJul 11, 20151 votes

Riot doesn't care that much about PBE players say except for bugs. "It's broken" is a phrase they tune out until their data tells them otherwise.

ErockandrollJul 11, 20152 votes

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Riot doesn't care that much about PBE players say except for bugs. "It's broken" is a phrase they tune out until their data tells them otherwise.

Like I said, PBE is less than 1% of the player base. Of coarse their going to tune out balancing problems until they get a much larger sample size.

And they still need the Data to figure out WHY it's broken. Instead listening to random complaints, they actually compile data from various games to figure out the actual damage statistics that resulted from the change.

Don't take things at face value.

BeldoriJul 12, 20151 votes

At the same time some of the changes are a no brainer, i mean look at Wota and Vlad, the entire player base saw that coming a mile away yet Riot wanted to "wait and see" if he needs nerfs which guess what he does yet the nerfs they put up on the PBE completely miss the mark, it will make him dependent on the new Wota.

I swear the balance team is on a power trip and some really off the wall drugs cause this last patch makes no sense in the overall scheme of game balance, Kayle gets buffs at the same time as the new devour, Yi was always pubstomp strong yet surprisingly they nerf ap xin and shyv's clear time cause of said devourer.Ass-backwards the balance team really are.

PrinceOfStormsJul 11, 20151 votes

Honestly, I've been having a blast as Kayle jungle, and I agree, if you get a kill or two (and Dragon) early on after you buy your Devourer enchant, you can have it Sated by 20 minutes, at which point you can 1v1 most champions, and in some cases, even 1v2 or 1v3 (although that requires that you've finished more items)

ChessburgerJul 11, 20151 votes

I had it sated at 17mins on xin and 20mins on shen. Lost the shen one because when kayle got it sated it was over.

Slamurai JackJul 11, 20151 votes

Shyvana will honestly never be a good top laner ever again with how the game has evolved. Champions like Azir Kalista TahmKench Bard Gnar make sure of that. She can still work in the jungle since she can actually build up a serious gold lead there, but there's only so much you can farm in top lane.

SaiannaJul 11, 20151 votes

Then nerf that jg item and watch boards full of rage & hate.

Potato DocJul 11, 20151 votes

In season 1 I played jungle irelia a whole ton, it helped me learn good ganks from bad ganks, positioning, how to deal with having less gold then optimal, ect... Now with the new devourer I can do the irelia jungle again and its super fun. Still have yet to have a bad game as jungle irelia :D

Hard PenetratorJul 11, 20151 votes

I find it funny that Junglers are pretty rich right now, their items are really cost effective and with new smites they even got their another summoner spell that can help clear, splitpush/tank or slow enemies carries while your team lands all of their skillshots.

It is a bit much IMO, I mean jungling was a bit of a throw out role for most seasons but now you feel like a king. It might be a problem if enemy jungler scares you way more than their mid or top that supposed to be strong.

THESuperStuntManJul 11, 20151 votes

...Then nerf the item. Then nerf any junglers that still use the item.

ShosukoJul 11, 20151 votes

I think it's kinda crazy that they changed a few items because the game was all about "who used x item best" rather than which strategy you wanted to push...

And then they release this item which really narrows the jg down to who can use sated best :\

Riot should have seen this coming and avoided it.

Meeks011Jul 12, 20151 votes

Yeah, the fuck is wrong with that logic?

RysophageJul 12, 20151 votes

I'd rather deal with devourer and dying to actual DPS champions than dying to a gragas or amumu just because they have cinderhulk and ninja tabi. At least devourer takes time to complete.