When is the abomination known as AD bruiser Fizz going to go away?

The Bearded Bard·Mar 7, 2015·44 votes·5,540 views

For real, if you told me a month ago they were going to somehow make Fizz an even more bullshit champ, I wouldn't have believed you, but here it is folks, AD bruiser Fizz.

88 Comments

TruthtellerMar 7, 201522 votes

Fuck Fizz, he's like the old AP Yi, everyone hates him.

Fizz item 3078 item 3153 u wot mate

DirewolfiezMar 7, 201527 votes

I hated him before it was cool...

The Bearded BardMar 7, 201523 votes

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I hated him before it was cool...

I've always hated him, he's always been a bullshit champ.

ThryaleMar 7, 20155 votes

I like ap fizz, but I don't care much for ad fizz.

That said, I don't want ad fizz to just disappear. I'd like it if ap fizz were more viable, but ad fizz was good as an off build to catch ppl off guard from time to time.

DownfallMar 7, 20152 votes

AD fizz is now the meta, and is better than AP fizz.

Malix FarwinMar 7, 20153 votes

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AD fizz is now the meta, and is better than AP fizz.

thats what happens when you ask for nerfs to AP fizz

Irelia BotMar 7, 201513 votes

Riot please delete crit from the game and change the title of marksmen/ADC to siege bitch.

The game was better with the meta golem because it was just as much BS as the standard ADC build of infinity edge, LW, PD/Shiv, Bloodthirster/BotRK, boots and BV/Omen/Scimitar.

Yes I am saying that the standard ADC build is as cancerous as warmogs/frozen mallet + atma's+ triforce + Force of nature + Omen + boots.

The Bearded BardMar 7, 20159 votes

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Riot please delete crit from the game and change the title of marksmen/ADC to siege bitch.

The game was better with the meta golem because it was just as much BS as the standard ADC build of infinity edge, LW, PD/Shiv, Bloodthirster/BotRK, boots and BV/Omen/Scimitar.

Yes I am saying that the standard ADC build is as cancerous as warmogs/frozen mallet + atma's+ triforce + Force of nature + Omen + boots.

I don't really see how this pertains to how annoying Fizz is, but I wouldn't mind changes to how crits work. As of right now, tanks do very little against the combination of how well armor pen, crits, and bork work.

Irelia BotMar 7, 20155 votes

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I don't really see how this pertains to how annoying Fizz is, but I wouldn't mind changes to how crits work. As of right now, tanks do very little against the combination of how well armor pen, crits, and bork work.

I have been saying for a long time that crit should be changed fro ma % chance of doing double damage to making auto attacks do a % of total AD as bonus on hit damage. Same theroitucal damage output and no random double crits with only a static shiv winning lane pr game.

Also LW and VS should be deleted and all armor and MR on items be reduced by 15%. Overall makes tanks a little more durable in a fight but not unkillable.

The Bearded BardMar 7, 20153 votes

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I have been saying for a long time that crit should be changed fro ma % chance of doing double damage to making auto attacks do a % of total AD as bonus on hit damage. Same theroitucal damage output and no random double crits with only a static shiv winning lane pr game.

Also LW and VS should be deleted and all armor and MR on items be reduced by 15%. Overall makes tanks a little more durable in a fight but not unkillable.

Or make an item that reduces damage from crits. Sort of like an anti-infinity edge. Then you can still do crazy damage on people that don't build the item but still allows tanks to actually tanks.

As for the whole removing LW and VS and lowering armor and MR on items, what about those that gain it from their kits? Shyvana, Rammus, Leona, Annie, Braum, Thresh, Gnar, Kass, Sej, Rengar, Singed, Taric, Trundle, Wukong, aaaaand Xin. I think that's all of them. Plus, Galio and Rammus get shafted by that change too, less MR and Armor means less passive.

ladentionMar 7, 20152 votes

Or make an item that reduces damage from crits.

For those of you who don't know, there is a mastery for that

AuryielMar 7, 20152 votes

Metagolem was probably the absolute worst phase of LoL's history

Irelia BotMar 7, 20152 votes

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Metagolem was probably the absolute worst phase of LoL's history

Any phase where a class has one specific build that they must follow has been the worse phase.

Looking at you ADC mains.

l Mamba l 24Mar 7, 201512 votes

They didn't make him more bullshit they just killed ap fizz to the point where AD fizz became stronger. The only thing keeping ad relevant is his W active. AD fizz was even stronger before they nerfed his shit becaues what's now the W active was the passive on his W.

qetzelMar 7, 20154 votes

Actually, the W change was a massive buff to AD Fizz. Before, it was 8% missing health every few seconds, now, it is every Auto attack. Thhat is much more damage, given his gap closers.

EedatMar 7, 201512 votes

As soon as the LCS stops using it people will stop QQing over it. I played AD Fizz a ton last season and got flamed every champion select. Now it's broken OP overnight? LOL

EndlessSorcererMar 7, 201517 votes

Fizz was recently changed so his percent missing health damage applied instantly on autoattack instead of as a DoT and his ultimate gives damage amplification.

I don't particularly care about Fizz, but he has been changed somewhat significantly since last season.

TonyTonyMordecaiMar 7, 20151 votes

I think AP Fizz takes more skill now than before... I played Fizz a few times, and I was kind of bad (no clue how to build him, lol) and I was against Yasuo... I did kind of ok, I helped my team, I did what I could... But Fizz just isn't able to rofl-stomp on his enemies as often as before, simply because of how they changed his ratios (thank god). I always wanted to try AD Fizz, but now I'm more inclined to do it after my embarrassing AP Fizz results lol

OyddAWqJ5rMar 7, 20153 votes

AP doesn't take more skill than AD. AD does the same damage as AP but with the ability to weave in heavy hitting auto attacks as well and build the much better AD items.

Chris ChiakiMar 7, 201510 votes

You cried when he was AP.

And you still cry when he's forced to go AD cause AP is absolute garbage.

Salty ADC mains rofl

He's basically Irelia now with an extra escape and serious mana issues and his winrate reflects that. He's solid but not broken lmao

The Bearded BardMar 7, 201512 votes

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You cried when he was AP.

And you still cry when he's forced to go AD cause AP is absolute garbage.

Salty ADC mains rofl

He's basically Irelia now with an extra escape and serious mana issues and his winrate reflects that. He's solid but not broken lmao

'Salt' is an extremely overused phrase. Tired of hearing it. Think of something for yourself, sheep.
I don't play adc, it's my least favorite role.
I don't care if it's broken or not, I care about how infuriating it is to play against.
How are you going to compare Irelia and Fizz? Most of the time they don't even play in the same position, and they have completely different kits.
At least when he was AP he wasn't in every single god damn game.

Chris ChiakiMar 7, 20153 votes

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'Salt' is an extremely overused phrase. Tired of hearing it. Think of something for yourself, sheep.

I don't play adc, it's my least favorite role.

I don't care if it's broken or not, I care about how infuriating it is to play against.

How are you going to compare Irelia and Fizz? Most of the time they don't even play in the same position, and they have completely different kits.

At least when he was AP he wasn't in every single god damn game.

No you are salty, AP Fizz is so bad no one in high elo will touch it. This is what people fucking wanted when they spammed the boards with "GUT THE FISH!". Now that he's forced into building AD which isn't what he was meant to do you people still wanted him gutted. His winrate is already low, do we really need another Azir? No we don't.

How is it infuriating? His E is a 15CD cooldown because AD Fizz doesn't build CDR. Aka. CC him and exhaust him then blow him up.

Um, they have mobility and build basically the same items (Botrk/Triforce into full tank) and are onhit mainly. Fizz is played top/jungle now mainly.

Yet every low elo ADC still whined about him. You got what you wanted when Riot nerfed him to shit. Now that he's got something that works you cry again.

Why don't we address bigger problems? Nidalee Kalista Xerath

The Bearded BardMar 7, 201510 votes

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No you are salty, AP Fizz is so bad no one in high elo will touch it. This is what people fucking wanted when they spammed the boards with "GUT THE FISH!". Now that he's forced into building AD which isn't what he was meant to do you people still wanted him gutted. His winrate is already low, do we really need another Azir? No we don't.

How is it infuriating? His E is a 15CD cooldown because AD Fizz doesn't build CDR. Aka. CC him and exhaust him then blow him up.

Um, they have mobility and build basically the same items (Botrk/Triforce into full tank) and are onhit mainly. Fizz is played top/jungle now mainly.

Yet every low elo ADC still whined about him. You got what you wanted when Riot nerfed him to shit. Now that he's got something that works you cry again.

Why don't we address bigger problems?

The cooldown on his E is 8 seconds at level 5, and most bruiser fizz players get frozen heart and the jungle item if they're jungling. That's 30% cdr, + 5% from the mastery or 10% from blue buff and you've got 30-40%. 4.8-5.6 second cooldown.
WOW THEY BUILD TWO OF THE SAME ITEMS???? Guess every single adc is the exact same, every single mid laner is the exact same, every single tank is the exact same.
yea Nid's a pretty strong counter jungler, has a really strong mid game too, but honestly I don't see that much of an issue with her. Maybe lower the damage on her Q a bit, that seems kinda strong, but seriously, haven't had that much of a problem with her.
Kalista's got some gimicky stuff. Really just needs a cap on her E and she's good to go.
Xerath? Sure he's a good pick, but the most pressing issue? I don't think so. Dodge the slow moving stun and engage on him, there are more than enough champions capable of doing this. (Like AD Bruiser Fizz!)
I don't really give a shit what's played at whatever my elo isn't. I don't care for professional players. This is a game for all levels of skill, not just the pros. It shouldn't just be balanced on one level of play.

Per FavoreMar 7, 20152 votes

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I don't really give a shit what's played at whatever my elo isn't. I don't care for professional players. This is a game for all levels of skill, not just the pros. It shouldn't just be balanced on one level of play.

I agree with most of your post except this. You really can't balance everything around all skill levels without breaking it somewhere along the continuum. For example you can have a difficult to play champion but with op damage that will have a trash win rate in bronze but be broken in diamond, because players have good enough mechanics to use said champion. I honestly think its better to favor the higher end of skill when balancing because the best possibilities will be realized and a champion's true potential will be seen, and thus their true power can be balanced.

SpecterVonBarenMar 7, 20156 votes

At least when he was AP he didn't have sustain and couldn't build defensive items while still wrecking your face.

Rinky DinkyMar 7, 20156 votes

I honestly find it to be less bullshit than AP Fizz.

I like the new fizz, and this is coming from someone who would dodge if he saw fizz on the enemy team if I wasn't the one laning against him.

Everyone would feed that guy lol.

He now actually has to use all 4 spells instead of just q and e :3

1st HanarSpectreMar 7, 20155 votes

I feel bad for Fizz players. AP Fizz one shot everything to easily => Needs nerf. AD Fizz player goes mostly unnoticed. AP Fizz player switch to AD an learn a new playstyle, AD Fizz is now obnoxious as fuck and might get nerfed.

I hated playing against AP Fizz and I hate playing against AD Fizz, but I don't know what Riot can do at this point.

QazgirMar 7, 20155 votes

AD Fizz has always been good people just like AP Fizz more.

IceKingChernobogMar 7, 20154 votes

epecially since he's going as a jungler now, and he can literally blow up anyone with challengers smite and a bork, it's not fun. I can downright say this is the worst balance there has been in the games history, and I was there for league of warmogs/Cleavers.

TruthtellerMar 7, 20151 votes

And people said he was going get gutted... Just look where he is now.

The Bearded BardMar 7, 20155 votes

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And people said he was going get gutted... ROFL

yea well if it weren't for those damned Koreans he would be gutted. Curse their creativity.

ThryaleMar 7, 20152 votes

(curse you riot and your markup language! I just want to make a stupid smilie! stop eating my posts!!!)

I was tryin out ad fizz long before ppl were whining about ap fizz. The only problem was ap fizz was so superior compared to ad fizz that there was little reason to even bother.

JefftiffyMar 7, 20152 votes

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epecially since he's going as a jungler now, and he can literally blow up anyone with challengers smite and a bork, it's not fun. I can downright say this is the worst balance there has been in the games history, and I was there for league of warmogs/Cleavers.

Jungle fizz was always a thing until this season. New jungle made it impossible until they shoved all his damage into AAs.

JevelFaithfulMar 7, 20154 votes

When you look at it : fizz is perfect for an ad bruiser. Decent ms? I think so. Dash? Check. AA steroid that kind of auto-scales? Check! Mobility + invulnerability to stay alive? Check! Aoe CC on ult? Check!

I think it was the AP build that was out of place.

TalinisMar 8, 20153 votes

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When you look at it : fizz is perfect for an ad bruiser. Decent ms? I think so. Dash? Check. AA steroid that kind of auto-scales? Check! Mobility + invulnerability to stay alive? Check! Aoe CC on ult? Check!

I think it was the AP build that was out of place.

I want to quote this because really, Fizz is missing a lot of tools that make assassins playable without being toxic. He doesn't have port backs like LB or Zed, he has no range poke, which most assassins have and he doesn't have resets, like a lot of assassins do. He also has mana and high mana gates unlike a large number of assassins (Zed, Akali, Katrina as a few) (1 full combo from level 3 Fizz is most of his mana pool). So instead he relies on sheer insta kill potential and invulnerability to protect him since he doesn't get resets or port backs and he can't poke down from range first like every other assassin. He needed toxic levels of burst or he was 100% useless since he can't siege either (poke? sustain? he has neither, unlike a lot of other assassins). AD fizz is much better and very healthy. He's more like a Jax now with less damage but more mobility and it's how it should be since there was no way to balance his current kit without giving him more of what normal assassins have as kits.

Meep ManMar 7, 20154 votes

Can we actually look actively to find ways to go against Fizz instead of complaining about him whenever he is played and you lose to him?

chumblerMar 7, 20152 votes

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Can we actually look actively to find ways to go against Fizz instead of complaining about him whenever he is played and you lose to him?

There's not much you can really do against someone with enormous percent health damage, mobility, and solid cc who can also completely ignore minions and most skills thrown at him.

JJI744Mar 8, 20152 votes

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There's not much you can really do against someone with enormous percent health damage, mobility, and solid cc who can also completely ignore minions and most skills thrown at him.

Hm, kinda. AD Fizz is actually a lot less mobile, and has less CC than AP Fizz, at least until lategame. AD Fizz maxxes W first, so his E+Q are actually on a long CD. Meaning that he can't use his mobility/untargettable and then have it back up 6s later. As well as having much slower waveclear.

You can also QSS off the Fizz ult, which now also removes the damage amp debuff.

It can still be annoying, but you don't have to deal with "100-0 with Q+E, leaving Fizz untargettable for almost the entire engagement."

Silents429Mar 7, 20152 votes

I wouldn't mind it so much if his passive didn't disrupt healing.

Like seriously what the hell is that.

Rinky DinkyMar 7, 20153 votes

It doesn't?

That got removed

FeathermaneMar 7, 20152 votes

Whenever the abomination known as item 3078 is nerfed. What bullshit item do Fizz Hecarim Irelia have in common? No one saw any of these champions being OP based on their kit, but now they are roflstomping. And surprise, surprise, they all rush Triforce.

KomePrePongoMar 7, 20155 votes

Fizz is rushing BotRK

aaronconlinMar 7, 20152 votes

item 3718 item 3153 item 3172 item 3083 item 3110

This shit was so annoying

agbudarMar 7, 20152 votes

when riot realizes that fizz anoyance doesn't come from his damage but his kit that fukin kit that invalidates any form of counterplay since he goes invulnerable, every 10 seconds

MakeHongKongFreeMar 8, 20152 votes

Not invulnerable. Fizz goes UNTARGETABLE. There is a difference.

Untargetable champions can still take damage from DoT effects ( summoner 14 , Swain's E, ect.)

Invulnerable means that you cannot take any damage whatsoever (Kayle ult, item 3157 )

Also, at rank 5, Playful/Trickster has an 8 second CD without CDR.

Learn how the champion's mechanics work before complaining about them.

agbudarMar 8, 20152 votes

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Not invulnerable. Fizz goes UNTARGETABLE. There is a difference.

Untargetable champions can still take damage from DoT effects ( , Swain's E, ect.)

Invulnerable means that you cannot take any damage whatsoever (Kayle ult, )

Also, at rank 5, Playful/Trickster has an 8 second CD without CDR.

Learn how the champion's mechanics work before complaining about them

you and I both know it's in practice the same thing.

and go ahead ive seen plenty of fizz dash away and survive dot's that should have killed them coincidence? i think not.

many dots do not interact properly with that skill but you go ahead and try to get that fixed.

Meep ManMar 8, 20153 votes

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you and I both know it's in practice the same thing.

and go ahead ive seen plenty of fizz dash away and survive dot's that should have killed them coincidence? i think not.

many dots do not interact properly with that skill but you go ahead and try to get that fixed.

No, it works properly trust me. Also, tethers still work as well suchas Fiddle W and Malzahar R. ALSO, having a champion with a long duration root makes Fizz unable to cast his Q and E for the duration of the root since they are both gap closers so just play Lissandra, Ryze, or Morgana.

AlëkMar 8, 20152 votes

These are the kind of posts I hate most. Atleast insert constructive criticism. All you are doing is whining. Give some ideas about how he could be better, dont just whine about how much u dislike AD fizz.