There is a lot more to a lost game than someone 'feeding'

Hibeki··5 votes·418 views

I have been playing Tryndamere a lot as of late, and it takes a lot of experience to do the job correctly.

Tryndamere is a pusher and his main role is to make the enemies choose between their turrets and objectives. Every waking moment they decide if they want dragon or inhibitor turret.

Tryndamere can go 1/8, and still scale insanely well and carry the team. The problem is when players don't do anything.

Tryndamere makes them take those choices with pressure. If I just took 2nd top turret and they keep swarming with jungle and midlane and toplane coming after me, you need to do something with it.

No its not optimal when I die, but if this happens repeatedly and their turret is over half health, the problem is on your end. You not taking advantage of the lack of pressure will lose you games, regardless of how good the top laner is.

In fact, trynd could be 8/1 and if you still dont take advantage of the lack of pressure you will lose.

Pressure is the biggest thing in this game, if the score is 100/0 and your team does nothing with it, you still will lose.

Long story short, if your lane is consistently somewhere else, you have two options. A) follow them or B) take an objective. this can be Dragon, a Turret, Baron, their buffs, anything. Do NOT use this opportunity to recall unless you are still on your starting item at 15 minutes.

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cinomenapplebae3 votes

this is extremely true with skirmishers

Marshbouy2 votes

Yes. this. This applies to all those "WTF I WENT 19/2 AND DIDN'T WIN. RITO STOP PUTTING ME WITH FEEDERS" people who don't realize that they didn't take a single objective, turret, and barely CSed. When it comes late game the enemy team will eventually be able to steamroll them because they did not take advantage of their early leads.

Zero Skill Tank1 votes

Now while this is true to a big extent, going 1-8 or so gives enemy team an item or two, which can mean your team simply can not take any advantage of pressure you apply, as they are too behind to apply meaningful pressure themselves.

You, playing Tryndamere or so, might be suited to be a threat even against fed enemies, but your team might not be.

Also, if you often die during splitpush, you will spend a lot of time dead. You are not applying any pressure while 6 feet under. It is most of the time better to draw enemy attention, so they come 2 or 3 man for you, and back off, instead of chipping half the tower, so that you can still apply pressure 10 seconds later.

This is coming from a toplaner who loves to splitpush.

Hibeki1 votes

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Now while this is true to a big extent, going 1-8 or so gives enemy team an item or two, which can mean your team simply can not take any advantage of pressure you apply, as they are too behind to apply meaningful pressure themselves.

That's also something misleading. Your 8 deaths are not all at once, they only get 200g each time, that 200g boost is not stopping you from taking that turret.

Zero Skill Tank1 votes

It's not stopping you, but after 3 or 4 deaths it might be enough for enemies to stop your team from applying pressure elsewhere, which is vital if you want to keep splitpushing.

Now, if you died 8 times and took 8 towers that's K, obviously, but if you died a lot and only got outer and inner turret in top and say outer at mid, your team might have problems with keeping enemies occupied enough so they don't send 2 guys at you. And all splitpush you do is for no good if they keep their inhi intact.

XinZhao2WinNhao1 votes

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I have been playing Tryndamere

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Hibeki3 votes

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names is xxwukong360elite

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XinZhao2WinNhao1 votes

Wukong is a skilled champ not no skill faceroll tryndamere

Tychusfindlay9191 votes

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Wukong is a skilled champ not no skill faceroll tryndamere

Wukong is a dash-press R bot. There really isn't much to him after that.

That just about sums up his teamfight.

I guess you gotta deal with wukong's shitball lane phase so there's that in terms of "skill"

XinZhao2WinNhao1 votes

You have to apply pressure when ganking, and also get double kills when ganking bot lane. That's skill.

Arcus Diabolus1 votes

I kinda learned this the hard way quite recently.

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

the problem isn't feeding. the problem is not being good at the game or not knowing how to play a certain champion/role. 15 minutes isn't gonna make you better

i've seen people feed. yet do well. in a way. which is great.

however most of the time. they feed. and its not like they give a fuck. and blame everyone else for their OWN mistakes.

Sylvant1 votes

i cant agree here, if you push and let yourself killed alot, it becomes counterproductive. You take 1 lane all for yourself and earn a great deal of farm while the rest of your team need to walk together because they are to face 1 extra player most the time and get set behind with gold, they cant effectively take on objectives with 1 player less and behind on gold. I get the thing with splitpush, but if you jsut do this entire game and get feeder stats on top of it, your team is doomed.

Hibeki1 votes

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i cant agree here, if you push and let yourself killed alot, it becomes counterproductive. You take 1 lane all for yourself and earn a great deal of farm while the rest of your team need to walk together because they are to face 1 extra player most the time and get set behind with gold, they cant effectively take on objectives with 1 player less and behind on gold. I get the thing with splitpush, but if you jsut do this entire game and get feeder stats on top of it, your team is doomed.

You have obviously never played with a tryndamere. He shoves so fast he can clear a wave before the minions get there. He can down a turret in 10 seconds. If no one is in lane with tryndamere, expect an inhib. If they still dont stop, he goes into the base.

They will have to make a choice, and you need to capitalize on those choices. If they choose me, you engage and win, because they need at least 2 people to deal with me. If they choose you, stall and keep them from getting what they want

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