Varus's Q does too much reliable damage for a near spamable, easy to hit ability.

JavelinJoe·Feb 12, 2017·11 votes·1,403 views

It is way too powerful for how low risk/cost it is. Massive range and near ultimate worthy damage. Full unit penetration. Fast projectile movement. Wide hit box. Short CD. And a pretty minimal penalty for canceling it.

It is kinda unfair to have literally half of your health (sometimes even more) be chunked every 8 seconds or so.

I would not mind a bit more given to other parts of his kit to compensate, but his Q needs to be toned down a bit IMO.

27 Comments

Stars ShaperFeb 12, 20177 votes

Varus is completely immobile, his only hard cc is a skillshot root that does nearly no damage (unless you spec full AP) and in order to deal damage with anything he has first to land 3 AA.

Also his Q needs to be fully charged to have range and damage and it decreases a lot after the first target hit. Considering at how much risk is Varus during the entire game and when he casts it I guess it's a fair trade.

CancerBasedGodFeb 12, 20171 votes

Pretty much this. People need to actually read a champs abilities before raging.

JavelinJoeFeb 12, 20171 votes

That is why I would not mind if some of the power in his Q was moved elsewhere.

Stars ShaperFeb 12, 20172 votes

That would change Varus archetype of an Artillery character and then he would need a rework because being a jack-of-all-trades doesn't bring you anywhere.

SFS Dark LotusFeb 12, 20171 votes

I'd Say his damage is pretty good but his range is a bit Too much.

Stars ShaperFeb 12, 20173 votes

Artillery means high damage from afar.

Asayake 5150glowFeb 12, 20171 votes

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Varus is completely immobile, his only hard cc is a skillshot root that does nearly no damage (unless you spec full AP) and in order to deal damage with anything he has first to land 3 AA.

Also his Q needs to be fully charged to have range and damage and it decreases a lot after the first target hit. Considering at how much risk is Varus during the entire game and when he casts it I guess it's a fair trade.

Then you realize how big and fast that 'skillshot' root is, and only monkeys are gonna miss it.

Also Lethality Varus Q's hurt a ton, but that may be a problem with Lethality.

He suffers from the same thing as all long range mages. Yes they're immobile, but they're completely safe in their team and also bring CC, so that immobility honestly doesn't mean much.

Stars ShaperFeb 12, 20171 votes

As said, varus needs to be in range for his AAs too if he wants to damage things tankier than Kindred and many gap closers have enough range to put Varus in peril. If his frontline is good enough to lock down your entire team then this is not Varus being OP and you got outplayed.

Zephyrous XFeb 12, 20174 votes

The damage gets reduced each time it hits something, it's easy to dodge and has a long ass charge time to do any significant damage unless you are the first target hit.

VelvetCrotchFeb 12, 20172 votes

And without tear u can't spam it. Ergo: u lack early game hard in dmg.

GibberwattFeb 12, 20172 votes

HIs Q is really quite easy to juke, takes a massive amount of mana to use, and also does hugely reduced damage if only a single minion is hit first. he also has a massive wind up animation, and you are actually derping if he hits you multiple times in a row.

CrettFeb 12, 20174 votes

it costs 30 mana

EDIT: I just completely did not think before making this post and read the title as Vayne and not Varus Feel free to downvote me into the Teemo Dimension

GibberwattFeb 12, 20171 votes

Oh. if this is vayne, then yeah. her q is a bit strong, but I think it works with her kit.

SFS Dark LotusFeb 12, 20171 votes

For Vayne, her Q is a very important part of her ult, without it her ult is most likely useless, also Q and E are her escapes out of combat so i'd say its pretty balanced before she buys items.

LexyyFeb 12, 20172 votes

People complain about point and click abilities, and that's fine. I get it.

But now they're starting to complain about skillshots? "Easy to hit"? It's a lot easier to avoid it if you know how.

People will seriously complain about every single champion and not take into consideration they're just bad at playing against him.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoFeb 12, 20172 votes

no matter what if it something that they find limits their chances of just facerolling the keyboard and auto winning they complain about it

60% of post on the boards is QQing this unfair, unbalanced, OP, BROKEN etc. 30% is crying they are unfairly banned for breaking rules... and 10% useful ...

you gotta weed through a lot of shit to find something worth while

SiG DxDFeb 12, 20172 votes

Q slows him while charging

CancerBasedGodFeb 12, 20171 votes

The only way it chunks that much HP is if he already has 3 passive stacks on you...

Yaśuo MainFeb 12, 20171 votes

OH WOW 3 AA's, GOD DAMN THATS SUPER HARD TO DO! HOW CAN HE EVER GET THAT MANY?

Oh right, 3 AA's. It doesn't make much of a difference lul

LexyyFeb 12, 20172 votes

If you stand in his AA range so long that he can EASILY stack his AA three times, you are the problem.

CancerBasedGodFeb 12, 20171 votes

Yeah 3 AA's... as opposed to just Q like the op falsely claims... A squishy getting off 3 AAs is not super safe like OP says chunking your hp out is.

Succubús GFFeb 12, 20171 votes

Vayne ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Stars ShaperFeb 12, 20173 votes

Quite different, Varus has also to hit a skill after that and doesn't deal true damage.

Succubús GFFeb 12, 20171 votes

Vayne also has a shorter aa range and less damage early :^). Varus on the other hand can shoot q after q after q after q and good bye health

Stars ShaperFeb 12, 20172 votes

He can't do it so freely until he has enough stacks on tear.

Varus mana costs are quite heavy and if you are gtting hit as first target by q after q after q afterq then you deserve to die ebcause you got outplayed by varus.

CancerBasedGodFeb 12, 20171 votes

Again, not how it works.