Duskblade of draktharr

Death by Glamour·Jan 27, 2016·5 votes·1,626 views

So... why make this item?

Ad assasins have little problems bursting squishies already.

Surely certain champs namely the likes of talon rengar and maybe even kha may have to be nerfed to keep them in check.

22 Comments

WoonStruckJan 28, 20162 votes

The point of Duskblade of Draktharr is that assassins don't have to have their base damages and ratios frontloaded in order to function to the point of unfairness like in the past when assassins were strong.

This allows them to nerf assassin damage across the board when they're too strong, and buff to the point where this item is enough to allow them to function. It makes every assassin have the 'counterplay' that zed's ult has.

It comes with the downside of this item becoming a crutch, however.

I don't like what its going to end up doing to them. I think its a band-aid fix, and will only inhibit their balance design in the future. And I don't even like assassins being in the game.

I feel bad for assassin mains after the nerfs stop.

Death by GlamourJan 28, 20161 votes

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The point of Duskblade of Draktharr is that assassins don't have to have their base damages and ratios frontloaded in order to function to the point of unfairness like in the past when assassins were strong.

This allows them to nerf assassin damage across the board when they're too strong, and buff to the point where this item is enough to allow them to function. It makes every assassin have the 'counterplay' that zed's ult has.

It comes with the downside of this item becoming a crutch, however.

I don't like what its going to end up doing to them.

Its funny you mention zed, i dont play him myself but will this item proc the extra damage on his deathmark? I left him out of my original list simplay beacuse his counterplay to ult.

Rengar and talon are completely different though.

WoonStruckJan 28, 20161 votes

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Its funny you mention zed, i dont play him myself but will this item proc the extra damage on his deathmark? I left him out of my original list simplay beacuse his counterplay to ult.

Rengar and talon are completely different though.

Zed will do an extra 900 damage total, item and the damage it provides through his ult, reduced to about 540 damage. This is based off of the example vs tanks I gave a minute earlier. It will be similar for squishies. Less base damage, but less reduction to it.

Brimaz The KingJan 27, 20161 votes

Its for assassins to fight against Health and armor stacking tanks

Death by GlamourJan 28, 20164 votes

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Its for assassins to fight against Health and armor stacking tanks

So they are meant to assasinate tanks now...

Edit for clarity

WoonStruckJan 28, 20161 votes

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So they are meant to assasinate tanks now... thats just great

It won't let them. 25% missing hp as physical damage. You have 3k hp, they get you down to 1k? The new item will do 590 bonus damage, minus your likely 200 armor, so ~60% damage. You take an astounding 300 damage from this item. And you're being focused. That's a good thing. :)

Death by GlamourJan 28, 20161 votes

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It won't let them. 25% missing hp as physical damage. You have 3k hp, they get you down to 1k? The new item will do 590 bonus damage, minus your likely 200 armor, so ~60% damage. You take an astounding 300 damage from this item. And you're being focused. That's a good thing. :)

Haha i know. Not to mention the cd is hella long to blow on a tank rather than mid or the carry.

YumaS2AstralJan 28, 20161 votes

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It won't let them. 25% missing hp as physical damage. You have 3k hp, they get you down to 1k? The new item will do 590 bonus damage, minus your likely 200 armor, so ~60% damage. You take an astounding 300 damage from this item. And you're being focused. That's a good thing. :)

Exactly.

The missing health is meant to be better against squishies than against tanks. So unless a tank has taken prior damage he will not die to this item's passive.

Brimaz The KingJan 28, 20161 votes

Or have a greater rate of actually kills them. Bc Tanks can't be 1v1 by any assassin right now. (If at the same power level, Gold and level wise)

Death by GlamourJan 28, 20166 votes

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Or have a greater rate of actually kills them. Bc Tanks can't be 1v1 by any assassin right now. (If at the same power level, Gold and level wise)

They shouldnt be able to burst down a tank...

Brimaz The KingJan 28, 20161 votes

They are not magically gonna start assassinating tanks burting them down. But now they will have a fighting chance to just to more thank do a full combo for a whole whopping 700 health. meanwhile the tank still has 4,300 health still and you're waiting on cooldowns and It's CCing you while his team catches up.

RPK9KM4K4AJan 28, 20161 votes

Good. Once the item is out, AD assassins reach OP status with it, then nerfs across the board.

WoonStruckJan 28, 20161 votes

The most broken champ with this item will be Riven, btw.

Death by GlamourJan 28, 20161 votes

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The most broken champ with this item will be Riven, btw.

Just got used to not seeing her every other game

*shudders

Quality ContentJan 28, 20161 votes

Assassins don't have a lot of balance levers in itemization because most of what they build is just fighter or marksmen items. Adding this item means Riot can tune assassins around their own gear and avoid having them negatively impacted when other AD items get changed. It also means when assassins get too strong they can just take a chip off the item's power.

SaltyKrackaJan 28, 20161 votes

And they're going to have to start doing it fast if this thing is released in this state.

KyrrionJan 28, 20161 votes

All I know is that I'm worried about Riven (or possibly a stray Garen or Darius) building it.

Double executions? No thanks (though I will personally test on Garen as an experiment).

Death by GlamourJan 28, 20161 votes

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All I know is that I'm worried about Riven (or possibly a stray Garen or Darius) building it.

Double executions? No thanks (though I will personally test on Garen as an experiment).

Would be good if they build a hexdrinker to block your ult ☺

KyrrionJan 28, 20161 votes

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Would be good if they build a hexdrinker to block your ult ☺

That's what I'm thinking as well. Also with a bit of early game flat pen, will definitely help Garen exert more dominance. He'll also get great control with the passive since he can just spin to deal damage as opposed to using an AA or Q.

But the 2 executes and Ignite on Garen... Sounds really dangerous - really looking forward to testing it.

Nagoh ShanJan 28, 20161 votes

Said it a few times now, but it's just 5hp insurance and I'm not sure that that is an appropriate buy on Zed or Talon considering assassins aren't hurting vs their intended targets in that regard, and it doesn't give them any assistance vs tanks.

This is a lot scarier on fighters IMO that don't function off the expectation that they burst their target. 5hp insurance is actually really good on them.

WoonStruckJan 28, 20161 votes

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Said it a few times now, but it's just 5hp insurance and I'm not sure that that is an appropriate buy on Zed or Talon considering assassins aren't hurting vs their intended targets in that regard, and it doesn't give them any assistance vs tanks.

This is a lot scarier on fighters IMO that don't function off the expectation that they burst their target. 5hp insurance is actually really good on them.

Yeah, atm Irelia barely fails to burst ADCs when not absurdly ahead. If she grabs this as a 2nd item after trinity, then full tank, who knows how far she'll get.