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just becuase you hate a champ...

SwiftKitten88··8 votes·1,295 views

doesn't mean you need to be completely mindless and ingore all the facts about them.

i HATEZed he can do almost everything, he has free wave clear in complete safety, he can build full AD while forcing you to build defensively just to survive, he can teamfight, he can split push... i think he a VERY good example of what a toxic champ is... and that is my OPINION

but guess what.. im NOT goign to disagree with you when you post FACTS. Zed IS hard to play, he has a high skillcap. and I'm NOT goign to deny that i truly DO NOT know his weaknesses .. but that doesn't mean that he doesn't HAVE any.. just becuase I DONT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE. donest mean they dont exist.

i am an positive ANY zed main can list me a BUNCH of things that counter zed.

so when someone posts a something about a champ you hate. PLEASE take the time to consider what is an opinion and what very well might be FACT that you just don't care to realize because you hate the champ

28 Comments

La Barbotte4 votes

item 3140 item 3157 Zilean Soraka TahmKench Kayle Kindred

but heres the thing, all of those require some sort of synergy, and solo Q has none, thats why hes frustrating, there is a loooot of ways to counter zed, but you have to play around that

Papa Slothy1 votes

synergy to buy items or play kayle :0

La Barbotte1 votes

synergy to stay with the guys you can deny zed and not run around in non warded places, having your cc ready to stop zed when he appears etc

Papa Slothy1 votes

finally someone smart enough to peel cc :>

I have seen so many veigars just throw it out trying to harass me

La Barbotte1 votes

yup, cc OP

YCitizenSnipsY2 votes

When a champion is FoTM, you don't have to know what you are talking about when begging for them to be nerfed. Just make shit up and people will believe you, because they hate that particular champion who is popular.

MoonToonEx2 votes

Zed is something ...

As a Diana Mid in my unranked low Elo games I have yet to lane against one I couldn't handle 1 on 1 in the laning phase. But the fact of the matter is that at some point I have to back because of mana and the second I do that he slinks off bot lane for an easy double.

That's why I ban him every chance I get. Not for ME ... for my poor bot lane and for the mental health of the team cause a fed Zed will make the game far more painful.

I have no clue how you're supposed to counter play him in the laning phase with anything but Diana :/

Maybe Shyvana ... I tried her mid against him cause "lol, no mana" and it worked at the start ... but IDK how to itemize her so that ship sank fast.

Boulderox1 votes

Exactly, if I can handle zed, he just gets fed off the adc that doesn't listen to the mia pings.... And then comes back with an item over me and can no longer stop him...

charcharmunro2 votes

Zed has a pretty low skill-floor, really. He has easy waveclear, easy last-hitting, easy all-ins. He is tricky to play to his full extent, though.

Pupel1 votes

Feel the same way about Leblanc WHO THE FUCK THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO GIVE A CHAMP THAT MUCH MOBILITY ON TOP OF DAMMAGE but i cant play hers so...yeah.

Arakadia1 votes

I agree on how broke af she is.

maxaroni1181 votes

lol u want to know his weaknesses?

Soraka the fucking cock block: not only can sht ult to heal, and steal your health... SHE CAN SILENCE U!! U CANT DO JACK SHIT IF U ARE SILENCED!!

Lissandra: free heals and zhonyas, nothing else needed to add

malzahar: if u jsut zone him early, he gets no cs, so he gets no ult, so he gets no damage, so he gets no excape, so he does nothing, so he is feeding and useless

Leblanc Khazix Talon : all can disappear

fizz: fuck zed ult imma just jump away

and basically anyone with anyhard cc such as a fucking morg!!!

k so there... its all out

Hayaishi21 votes

Opinions can be wrong, Zed being toxic is a wrong "Opinion"

mjcomics1 votes

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Opinions can be wrong, Zed being toxic is a wrong "Opinion"

lol opinions can't be wrong, that's why it is an opinion. The person forming the opinion may not be well informed, so the opinion might seem stupid, but they can't be wrong.

SwiftKitten881 votes

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lol opinions can't be wrong, that's why it is an opinion. The person forming the opinion may not be well informed, so the opinion might seem stupid, but they can't be wrong.

i think your just arguing semantics now.. if its someone opinion that the sky is orange and that clouds are purple.. unless thier starting at the sunset.. their opinion is WRONG

Bonipherus1 votes

This should help clear things up for you

http://www.houstonpress.com/arts/no-it-s-not-your-opinion-you-re-just-wrong-updated-7611752

mjcomics2 votes

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i think your just arguing semantics now.. if its someone opinion that the sky is orange and that clouds are purple.. unless thier starting at the sunset.. their opinion is WRONG

that sounds more like a fact argument than an opinion argument. Also, they could be color-blind, learned it a weird way, etc.. or are just stupid.

Cindikle1 votes

Zed is not hard to play.

He's hard to play at a level where he is actually toxic.

But most people shouldn't have trouble learning how to at least play him enough to win. Just don't expect to outplay a 3v1 dive under your tower and manage a triple kill.

Yasou, is a hard to play champion.

Lee Sin is another. But mostly because you can screw up anything he does. A side effect of being able to do almost everything.

Arakadia2 votes

But guess what! I find Lee and Yasuo broken! Zed is semi hard to learn, but very high skillcap.

Cindikle2 votes

They are broken. Numbers will never fix them. They need kit changes. Same reason Akali is always either useless or OP as hell. They're always trying to fix her with number changes.

Arakadia1 votes

Ohm. IG. Od... Someone agrees with me! Finally! I agree on akali 2!

Papa Slothy1 votes

Zed has one of the highest skill caps but his skill floor is sorta in the middle

this is proven through the many shitty Zed's, the decent Zed's, the good Zed's and the Zed's that can control most situations

Smoke and Steel1 votes

I always feel really dirty when I refer to myself as a Yasuo main because people see him as a champion you get insta-pentas on. It's just kind of strange that champion only becomes truly toxic to the game when there's a player than can play it to its full capacity. The hardest thing about balancing with numbers is there's no way to nerf a players skill. Someone who truly knows a champion's full potential can work with any numbers, but the kit is where you need to move if you want to set a reasonable cap.

Nyhver1 votes

I'll help you

Zed's Q costs a lot of energy, (while staying at the static CD of around 5 seconds with 0 CDR) before he levels it up, so he definitely can't spam WQE to waveclear early, especially when his 'w' costs more energy at lower ranks and has a lengthy CD without being ranked up or with CDR.

Zed's resources aren't free, they're gated by energy and cds. Riven's has no resources except cds, her abilities are free with the only consequence being it going on CD.

In lane you should be doing what your opponent is doing which is 1) trying to stay out of range of their harass. 2) Trying to avoid being in a position where the opponent can harass you + cs at the same time while 3) Trying to harass him & cs at the same time where reactions & prediction of where and how the opponent will strike comes in

Zed can be an oppressive laner but it's mostly only if he gets fed like any other assassin, Zed inherently at lower levels is no master of the lane

SpookyNeedle1 votes

This post describes my thoughts when people were non stop complaining about Fiora on the forums. (Fiora main)

Athenes Lulu1 votes

I'm so used to Zed that I don't give a damn whenever I see him from the enemy team. Though supporting him is much more frustrating because of how he is always hopping about, therefore messing up my engage follow-up.

He may be frustrating to deal with in general, but that doesn't mean he is "OP" in any shape or form. Whether he is actually OP or not is a completely different question.

Which also means, "frustrating to deal with" and "actually OP" are two different things. Kench is both OP and frustrating, Teemo is frustrating but not necessarily OP, Jinx is OP but not (as) frustrating (IDK but any decent assassin know she's plain ol' fodder).

GigglesO1 votes

What about LeeSin having free mobility with pretty much no cost?

Ratbert1 votes

How can you be talking about facts, then post difficulty as your example? Difficulty isn't objective and can't be a fact. Different champs are hard for different people.

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