FFS
40% attack speed for 2 attacks each times he presses a spell 120 damage+8% missing health+1.8 bonus AD when his Q is rank 2
he can literally remove 1/2 of your hp in 1 second
remind me why are we nerfing his ulti again?
MLDzXnRRR5 votesR - no energy cost, low cd, high damage, you don't even need to combo abilities to kill low hp targets with R, it's useful in teamfights and for initiation.
Jax Cramer4 votesThere are some champs who can duel Lee early like Warwick, Xin Zhao, Pantheon or Olaf but its not like Lee has to fight them. The ability to escape from any unfavorable fight is one of the things that makes him so broken.
Frius2 votestrue nerf Q AND E AND R
and shields
thats a nerf
everyone is sick of this blind monk shit
lilpokfluf2 votesYeah but almost anyone can take him 1v1 later in the game
Ahristocats2 votesWho cares? the jungle decides everything right now
Maximum Morde2 votesHe's not impossible to duel, it's just impossible to nail him down with anyone who can actually beat him in said early duel. Maybe Poppy can, but I doubt it. He will probably still get away.
ZT Xperimentor2 votesDon't forget he has 2 low cooldown dashes & 350 movement speed as a base; making him a chore to pin down outside of teamfights. He needs several nerfs, but you know riot and their favoritism.
Astôlfo2 votesWhy are you expecting Riot to nerf the right things?
SwaggyMcGhee4202 votesHe's not even broken lol.
Astôlfo2 votesDid I say he was? You should try reading.
Riot has a history of nerfing the wrong things.
SwaggyMcGhee4201 votesIt's implied. Something wouldn't need fixing (nerfs) if it's not broken.
Astôlfo1 votesAnd Riot also has a history of not nerfing things that need nerfs and nerfing things that don't.
SwaggyMcGhee4201 votesYeah, I agree with you on that one.
PermabannedGaren1 votesDid I say he was? You should try reading.
Riot has a history of nerfing the wrong things.
Name them my son.
xxxDogmanxxx1 votes
seems to duel him just fine...
Ahristocats1 votesForgot that this champion existed I can't even see a xin dueling Lee if Lee backs and come back when xin wasted his W, he has a slow and a shield for that
xxxDogmanxxx1 votesAt rank 1, Xin's W is on an 11 (16 minus five second duration) second cooldown minus three every time he uses Q. Xin Zhao basically never "wastes" his W.
TequilaZombie1 votes
(absolutely stronger lv 1 and possibly 2 in the game)
Ahristocats1 voteshow is Darius strong in early game in 1v1? he's a lane bully, but he loses in 1v1
Lee won't let him proc the blade of darius's Q, and darius Q cd is so long in early game Lee also has a stronger attack speed due to passive, and his kit overall does more damage in early game Lee also has a shield and lifesteal
TequilaZombie2 votesUnless Lee is able to at least 100-30 Darius with his full combo, Darius will be able to stack his passive. After that is goodbye Lee. He can also set up for his Q blade hit with W slow. Unless some magnific outplay happens, Darius should win after 6 with little to no problems.
Pre 6 Lee might have a chance if he constantly engages and disengages, but in a full contact all in Darius' passive will win the fight.
Darius is a lane bully exactly because he's terribly strong on 1v1's.
Ahristocats2 votesit doesn't matter that darius slows, lee has a dash on his Q
and no darius is terrible in 1v1 in early game, long cooldown and trash attack speed his E armor pene is also trash in early game
EndlessSorcerer1 votesDarius is rather good in early fights against most opponents.
Heck, a rather common tactic for Darius is to wait in a bush behind the opposing laner at level 1 and force a fight inside of their minion wave.
Darius is quite capable of killing many opponents early-game if he can actually stick to them without issue.
Kirius Dark2 votesIdiot, Darius has one of the strongest if not the best level 1 1v1s in the game. He literally 5 hits 100-0 any champ even if they burn pot and flash they die to the bleed
PermabannedGaren1 votes[{quoted}](name=Level 18 Feeder,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=P57VgJ5t,comment-id=0000000000010000000000000001,timestamp=2016-12-13T21:59:04.007+0000)
Idiot, Darius has one of the strongest if not the best level 1 1v1s in the game. He literally 5 hits 100-0 any champ even if they burn pot and flash they die to the bleed
An Olaf that properly juggles his axes is probably better, but yeah Darius' level one dueling is one of the best in the game.
Ahristocats2 voteshow much time does he takes to 5 hit you
fucking mongloids
ForFoxSakes1 votes3 to 3.5 seconds. dumb fuck
Best princess EU1 votesdarius attack speed is 0.625 which means he has an AA each 1.6 seconds which means 5 attacks is 8 seconds reduces this to 4 if he uses W AA reset, and it's 6.4 seconds
Lee will drop your hp to 1/2 in at least 1 second if he uses Q+AA+AA+Q in early game
SwaggyMcGhee4201 votesIf Darius starts W, he will win the trade easily.
O Fallen Scholar1 votes
The problem is that he is weak against anything else lol and nobody plays him.
xxxDogmanxxx1 votesPretty much.
Escheton1 votesHis ulti is his late-game thing. So he becomes a feast or famine champ. You either get your lanes kills, or you take them yourself by accident because you are so strong and fall off hard while your shut-down gold feeds the enemy, that is prolly going even with your lanes because you took all kills.
Or something like that.
MunchCrunchLunch1 votes
can duel him but a smart lee will just kick you and QW two screens away
Abyssphere1 votesThey're nerfing his ult so that the "impossible to duel" thing doesn't kick up another notch after he hits 6. Yeah it's unfortunate he'll still win any 1v1 that happens pre-6 but at least the period of the game where he beats absolutely everyone except some dueling specialists will be shorter.
Lovelle1 votesLevel 1-8 is being generous. If played competently, most champions can't deal with Lee until around lvl 11-18 (depending on how fed he got early). He has the potential to outmanuever and kill most of the roster with just boots, a tier 1 dmg item, and some wards.
HateDaddy1 votesIt's not so much about that, if you avoid Qs, almost anyone can beat him. But what makes it frustrating is you can never face him on your terms, only his.
Granted, you exchange all of that for being an attempted insec late game (which fails 80% of the time). I think the real issue right now is due to the jungle being so snowbally and as a result, games are paced much quicker. This benefits champions like Lee because he never hits that stage where he falls off, the game is over before that happens.
Sir Fuzzi1 votesWouldn't Quinn have good duel? She can knock him back on his engage and utilize procs to get damage in when she needs, while using Q to trade, am I wrong?
Also don't fucking use literally when you don't literally mean it. It does not literally take him one second. It sincerely does not and if he's gibbing you that bad, stop picking champs he counters.