Janna has 32% pickrate and 57% winrate and 16% banrate.

Depends on the teamcomp, but usually either jungle and/or top also are AA-focused, and there are quite some midlaners that profit from it, like orianna and her high base AS+passive, or jayce or corki.

Lulu gives a very powerfull on-attack effect(it adds more raw damage per AA than the 40 ad even at 100% crit+IE) that synergieses just aswell with the AS+on-hit from censer, and she can even add a ms+as boost so her carry can use the censer buff to the full potential, and she also uses coin right now, yet she'S way below 50% winrate. So if it just were the items, lulu should be pretty close to janna, but she's far from it, very far.

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WTF I'M NOT EVEN MAKING AN ARGUEMENT, I'M JUST EXPLAINING WHY SHE IS GOOD IN THIS META FFS.

The point: Why bring up "the meta" in the first place? The meta's been the excuse for Janna's strength every time this has happened. Janna's low skill floor just lends to her getting out of hand, then nerfed, then out of hand again. Her lack of risk for the amount of defensive power she provides is just blatantly out of balance. It isn't a meta thing.

I don't even understand what you are trying to say with your prostitute metaphor. You legitimately just got a bunch of upvotes for tearing into a straw man argument.

The point: We don't say "Oh, she had HIV. It's not the concept of sleeping with someone that sleeps with literally anyone, no questions asked that's the problem, it's just this specific instance that's the issue." Instead, we just don't mess with prostitutes.

In contrast, for some reason, we constantly say "Oh, it's just the diver/assassin/marksman/tank meta. It's not the fact that Janna's kit synergizes with marksmen, who she always lanes with, while being a huge cock block to nearly any type of engage multiple times over, all from a safe distance with relatively simple tools. It's just this current meta that has her flexin'." In this case, for SOME reason, we constantly give Janna a pass unless someone goes against the grain and barks up a storm (in this case, literally me). With that in mind, it's like saying you'd all walk into STD-riddled honey traps if someone like me wasn't screaming his lungs out to tell you otherwise, simply cause THIS TIME it'll be different when it hardly ever is.

The only thing I said was that Janna is good in this meta because she can peel tanks in a tank meta, and her shields will give tanks on her team a Fkton of effective health because of the way shields interact with resistances.

The point: There's an excuse for ANY feasible meta for Janna's "balance". It gets old doing this tango.

I NEVER SAID SHE WASN'T OP, I NEVER SAID THAT SHE DIDN'T NEED TO BE NERFED, I NEVER SAID THAT SHE IS ONLY STRONG BECAUSE OF THE META, I ONLY EXPLAINED WHY SHE IS GOOD IN THIS META.

Why do that? Like I said, if she's always in season, that's a problem.

I don't understand why you want to argue so bad. I'm being completely unbiased here, I don't want to make an argument, I don't care if she gets nerfed.

Aight.

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I see your point here but it's just not valid. Chogath's ult, Veigar's ult, etc. etc. are all "high number" abilities that are point and click as well. You can't make every skill hard to use just because it's a strong skill.

Also, am I not allowed to play League with my friends??

You are allowed to, but it looks like your friend is carrying you over the finish line and all you have to do is press e.

In other words you're like viper's girlfriend

Do not even TRY to compare Thresh to the point and click sustain / peeling that Janna / Lulu offers.