Why does Jax have the same base stats as Riven

FalconPawwwwnch·Aug 19, 2015·3 votes·755 views

When Riven's kit is better in every way imaginable

Resourceless, lower cooldowns, better early game, more mobile, better teamfighter, more CC

"But jax gets tanky for building damage" - So does Riven

16 Comments

Only Play DariusAug 19, 20154 votes

Because he's an outdated champion and needs a rework.

Also he has better sustained damage than Riven.

Yosuke ApperuAug 20, 20151 votes

With riven's stupidly high burst she doesnt need sustained damage XD 630% AD + a max of 280% bonus ad damage on scalings... for a full combo.. who needs to have sustained damage? XD Perhaps riven also needs a rework akin to fiora so that she takes some more skill.

ShinTwistAug 20, 20152 votes

I wonder what it's like to live in a dream world where Riven doesn't take skill, and yet, one could still manage a 0% win ratio with her in ranked as you have, in bronze no less.

Yosuke ApperuAug 20, 20151 votes

I think I played her once in ranked? I didn't say she took no skill. I specifically compared her to fiora, because fiora now takes more skill than she used to. Please don't twist words my friend. I'm not saying there aren't legendary riven players but even boxbox has said that she's broken and he mained her. XD

ShinTwistAug 20, 20152 votes

And lost. Sir, you lost. Your win rate is 0%.

Even Box Box blah blah

[citation needed] I watch him often and have never heard as much from him, he was on the verge of dropping her in the tank meta, in fact.

http://www.lolking.net/champions/riven&region=all&map=sr&queue=1x1#statistics Muh 50% win rate in ranked. http://champion.gg/statistics/#?roleSort=&sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend Muh 41st win rate over all in plat+ http://www.lolking.net/champions/riven&region=all&map=sr&queue=1x1&league=bronze#statistics Muh 49% in bronze. http://www.lolking.net/champions/riven&region=all&map=sr&queue=1x1&league=diamond#statistics Muh 51% in diamond.

Considering her:

http://champion.gg/champion/Riven/Top Disproportionate number of mains, seriously, more than half of the people playing her high up are basically mains, that her win rate is so underwhelmingly average across the board implies she is certainly not "broken" as the forum meme goes.

There is no evidence Riven is too strong, let alone broken. There is plenty that says otherwise.

Your complaints are unfounded, unsupported, and most of all, offensive to my senses. All of them. All of my senses are offended. Even my sense of style.

Yosuke ApperuAug 20, 20151 votes

So you see nothing wrong with spamming abilities til the sun goes down? :P Two forms of cc, 2+ gap closers, a shield that scales off her ad , 630% ad + a maximum of 280% of bonus ad for a full combo, most of which is aoe is okay? :P Don't say just cc her, that's a universal counter XD Not to mention all of that is on ridiculously low cool downs with her ulti reaching 30 seconds late game. Nah you don't look at that, you're blinded by the pride that you have in being ranked, and yeah gratsies on being plat. However, that doesn't entitle you to act like a douche bag.. so get off your high horse. Also if every plat were like you.. why would I want to climb the ranked ladder and have people on my team as toxic as you? :P

ShinTwistAug 20, 20152 votes

Oh look, you're trying to ignore that the evidence disagrees with your preconceived notions, time to reply even though it's pointless.

So you see nothing wrong with spamming abilities til the sun goes down?

No. Why should I?

Two forms of cc

Both melee range. Totaling 1.5 seconds, half of which is effected by tenacity. WhoOoOoOOo, spooOoOoky!

2+ gap closers,

You mean her hops, which are locked at similar movement speed to what most champions get with moboes? CALL THE COPS.

630% ad + a maximum of 280% of bonus ad for a full combo, most of which is aoe

You're bad at math or something. Her ratios are, totalled:

Passive: .5 AD Q: 1.8 AD for three hits (never happens unless someone tries to duel you.) W: 1 Bonus AD E: Not damaging, lasts a second. R: 1.2 AD maximum damage on the nuke.

That's 3.5 AD and 1 Bonus D in damage, on a squishy melee champion, that's perfectly acceptable. As her stats reflect.

Don't say just cc her

Or just build armour, or, like, kill her? Gank her once in lane, put her behind just a smidge and she loses. A Riven who isn't ahead is behind.

Not to mention all of that is on ridiculously low cool downs with her ulti reaching 30 seconds late game.

13 Q 11 W 10 E

So short. Muhlawd. Those are actually pretty long.

R at max rank: 50. Not 30. 50.

Also at max rank there's no reason for her to not have her ultimate all the time anyway, around level 16 is when she starts to fall off, and she needs it in team fights.

Nah you don't look at that, you're blinded by the pride that you have in being ranked, and yeah gratsies on being plat.

No, I look at statistics. Also, I'm not plat.

However, that doesn't entitle you to act like a douche bag.. so get off your high horse.

I don't act like a douchebag because my rank is higher than yours, I act like one because I am a douchebag, and you are clearly wrong and for some reason refuse to admit it.

Also if every plat were like you.. why would I want to climb the ranked ladder and have people on my team as toxic as you?

I'm a super nice guy in game, actually, probably because people are too busy playing to try to disagree with statistics.

At the end of the day, if Riven were so strong, she would have a solid record in pro play, she doesn't. With how many people main her she would have an outlier win rate, she doesn't.

Either 1: Riven is not broken, or 2: Riven players are just so bad at the game they can't win more often then a "broken" champion than people who don't use one.

Which do you think is more likely?

Yosuke ApperuAug 20, 20151 votes

Because she should be gated by resources. Almost every riven goes for 40 cdr. To trigger her passive you need three autos. Which including her passive total out to 450% AD. Check again with her ult nuke btw.. it maxes as 180% AD which makes it the strongest aoe execute in the game. Nerfs to armor have just made it even harder to itemize against her when she's going to build lw and black cleaver :P I also see her with a youmuus as well. She can keep her damage, but give her some form of resource :P By the way thanks for admitting that of the doucebaggery XD

Sire HippingtonAug 20, 20154 votes

? jax has more basehealth, more base armor early on, same late, more ad, more as, more ms....

And his Ult is arguably a bigger boost in defense for it's duration, especially paired with the 2 sec AA-imune+aoe reduce form E, which thx to stun usually means your enemie won't land AAs for 3 sec straight, which are often enough the main damage later on...

NemeBroAug 20, 20154 votes

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When Riven's kit is better in every way imaginable

Resourceless, lower cooldowns, better early game, more mobile, better teamfighter, more CC

"But jax gets tanky for building damage" - So does Riven

He has better base stats than Riven.