Anti-carry melee carries are stronger than ever, but...

Ser Garland··1 votes·688 views

They're so strong that they're even classified as high tier picks. Champions who naturally counter the likes of Riven and Vayne have been buffed and yet...

Riven and Vayne are still popular. Don't get me wrong, but when one meta counters another meta, shouldn't that meta go away for a while?

The fact that Riven and Vayne are still reliable picks in the age of juggernauts is a testament to their strength.

Elise was incredibly strong when she had changes made to her, but even though she hasn't been toned down, she'd dropped off in popularity as usual.

Let Darius, and Garen, and Skarner and Morde and Fiora be strong for a little while longer. They'll drop off too.

But if you do decide to send another wave of nerfs to these guys (I can understand why) Please nerf or rework Vayne and Riven as well. They're too versatile at what they do.

Atleast have the common decency to give them fair treatment as you did to Yorick until his inevitable rework.

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Deadly Mittens1 votes

Riven being strong is a bit of a surprise given the power of melee juggernauts, but vayne should be doing well given her anti tank damage and multiple tools for kiting juggernauts.

NemeBro1 votes

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They're so strong that they're even classified as high tier picks. Champions who naturally counter the likes of Riven and Vayne have been buffed and yet...

Riven and Vayne are still popular. Don't get me wrong, but when one meta counters another meta, shouldn't that meta go away for a while?

The fact that Riven and Vayne are still reliable picks in the age of juggernauts is a testament to their strength.

Elise was incredibly strong when she had changes made to her, but even though she hasn't been toned down, she'd dropped off in popularity as usual.

Let Darius, and Garen, and Skarner and Morde and Fiora be strong for a little while longer. They'll drop off too.

But if you do decide to send another wave of nerfs to these guys (I can understand why) Please nerf or rework Vayne and Riven as well. They're too versatile at what they do.

Atleast have the common decency to give them fair treatment as you did to Yorick until his inevitable rework.

Keep in mind that Riven maintaining a positive win rate while one of her biggest counters (Garen) is FOTM (Darius doesn't counter her though) might be because most of the games she wins are the ones where he was banned or just not picked, lol.

Also, Riven's win rate actually did go down to less than 51% last patch (it's gone up again since Garen's nerfs), which is pretty low for a champion whose player base consists of over a third of them being mains.

Oh, and Vayne doing well against kiteable HP stackers is no surprise, lol.

Weiner the Pooh1 votes

I agree the juggernauts will be phased out soon, but why group Fiora with them? She's not a juggernaut she'll likely stay how she is even when the juggernauts leave

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