A least increase Veigar's burst damage to what it was before.

Curling Veigar·Mar 14, 2015·3 votes·393 views

Put the AP ratio on his ult back to 1.2 with the current PBE changes and he'll be perfect.

14 Comments

Sailor MintMar 14, 20151 votes

If you're not bad at farming, it's not very hard to match the pre-nerf damage.

Curling VeigarMar 14, 20151 votes

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If you're not bad at farming, it's not very hard to match the pre-nerf damage.

I've got 190 cs at 17 minutes with this Veigar before, I could have outdamaged this Veigar with the old one anyways.

If I'm doing okay I'd reach 850 ap at 26 min which I've done before with the old Veigar. Also It'd help him vs non ap opponents.

Very Hard EngageMar 14, 20151 votes

its not his ult that needs "fixing" its his inability to land his W. the ulti nerf is hardly noticeable, the mana reduction > damage IMO. i can damage from other sources or in most cases i had extreme excess damage with a full combo. of E meteor, DFG, ult, Q.

Curling VeigarMar 14, 20151 votes

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its not his ult that needs "fixing" its his inability to land his W. the ulti nerf is hardly noticeable, the mana reduction > damage IMO. i can damage from other sources or in most cases i had extreme excess damage with a full combo. of E meteor, DFG, ult, Q.

He's a burst mage, aren't burst characters suppose to have high damage?

Very Hard EngageMar 14, 20151 votes

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He's a burst mage, aren't burst characters suppose to have high damage?

yes, which rito crapped all over when they negated his ability to use all his skills on 1 target at the same time.

right NOW, veigar has 2 big problems, the first being laning phase and just staying alive. the second being his non synergistic skills. they just dont work well together, they each serve their own purpose but nothing stands out. why would i ever meteor when my Q can waveclear and ill get bonus for it. his W is just a dead skill minus in team fights where the target is cc'd.

Curling VeigarMar 14, 20151 votes

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yes, which rito crapped all over when they negated his ability to use all his skills on 1 target at the same time.

right NOW, veigar has 2 big problems, the first being laning phase and just staying alive. the second being his non synergistic skills. they just dont work well together, they each serve their own purpose but nothing stands out. why would i ever meteor when my Q can waveclear and ill get bonus for it. his W is just a dead skill minus in team fights where the target is cc'd.

hence why nerfing his ult's damage was uncalled for

MeserionMar 14, 20151 votes

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yes, which rito crapped all over when they negated his ability to use all his skills on 1 target at the same time.

right NOW, veigar has 2 big problems, the first being laning phase and just staying alive. the second being his non synergistic skills. they just dont work well together, they each serve their own purpose but nothing stands out. why would i ever meteor when my Q can waveclear and ill get bonus for it. his W is just a dead skill minus in team fights where the target is cc'd.

use W to wave clear when they enemy is pushing close to your tower, also its a decent harass that can also line up a double Q last hit at early levels.

MeserionMar 14, 20151 votes

he doesn't need dmg buffs, if you farm his Q well the nerf will feel more justfied. Getting +200 AP by 40 minutes from his Q is not unheard of anymore so that nerf to his ult ratio is good.

Big LincolnMar 14, 20151 votes

It wasn't unheard of before, though

It's only more noticeable now because you're almost forced to farm with it early game -- because you've directly lost damage

Curling VeigarMar 14, 20151 votes

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It wasn't unheard of before, though

It's only more noticeable now because you're almost forced to farm with it early game -- because you've directly lost damage

I've tried to 100-0 a fed riven before but it left her on 50 hp.

Ult nerf would have made a difference. Also, I can easily get 200 bonus ap by 28 minutes if I'm trying hard enough.

Big LincolnMar 15, 20152 votes

How do you feel about Luden's Echo? He isn't quite as spammy as the people who use it best, but come late game it's an extra 300 damage added to your burst

DrCyanideMar 15, 20151 votes

Mobility was/is one of Veigar's weaknesses. Luden's Echo helps give him more mobility and increases his damage output a bit. I think it's a good buy.

Big LincolnMar 15, 20151 votes

I played it on the PBE (can confirm they're overloading his Q way too much, classic Riot) and it was kind of absurd. An early Luden's was actually a way bigger power spike than I thought it would be. I was able to blow up their Riven and Kha with relative ease if they made a mistake and their Kat was smart enough to never come mid again

I like it.

Curling VeigarMar 15, 20151 votes

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How do you feel about Luden's Echo? He isn't quite as spammy as the people who use it best, but come late game it's an extra 300 damage added to your burst

LOVE IT LOVE IT LOVE IT.

Doesn't make his E less bad though