Cinderhulk put tanks back in the game, Black Cleaver puts bruisers back in

Visigoth··3 votes·726 views

So Riot, you planning on telling us something about assassins? Because as of now they are officially the weakest role, other than the select few broken champions who magically escaped nerfs.

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Strawberrycocoa6 votes

Why do Assassins need help? They do huge amounts of burst damage and are oppressive to play against (not just in lane, you need to constantly be warding and watching or else the assassin will pounce on you from nowhere). They snowball hard but are vulnerable to CC and pay dearly if they screw around too long and don't close out the game while they have the advantage.

UP2005 votes

Yeah, a stealthy enemy coming from out of nowhere instantly killing whomever they please with no chance to respond? no thank you.

Variks the Loyal1 votes

As opposed to a burst mage doing the same, just walking up to you?

Assassins have plenty of counterplay. I'm not saying there needs to be an assassin wide buff, like a new item, but maybe some case by case buffs for a few underpowered ones not named Zed.

UP2001 votes

Assassins can be AP as well, if they can 100-0 you they may as well be an assassin.

Knight SoIaire 2 votes

the thing is that a)mage indeed walks up to you, not blinks to you but walks, which gives you time to react b)mage usualy tosses skillshots or aoe from range , which gives you some time to react c)mage is stopped by your frontline giving your squishies some space

assasins need help thats a fact, but a buff is the worst thing that could happen what assasins need is to create their gameplay pattern from scratch, right now we have 2 types of assasins, both insanely toxic one type is a power assasin, he waits for a moment and decimates your team, examples are yasuo and katarina second type is the single target assasin who just goes in removes your carry and gets out, all in the blink of an eye examples are zed and talon or leBlanc

what is the problem here is their binary design of "wait for a good moment, and safely destroy either one guy or entire team without giving the enemy a chance at retaliation" as far as assasins represent such a playstyle riot will hunt them

The Lord Cookie4 votes

Assassins still some of the most played champions, and many of their winrates are perfectly fine.

Why would you help them?

AMYS GRAVE2 votes

You say that like there are no squishy champions in the game, but in reality you just don't get to instantly kill whomever you please and actually have to select the proper target.

Meep Man2 votes

Wanna know what puts Assassins back in the game?

item 3035 item 3074 item 3135 item 3285 There ya go, have fun.

chide da jungler2 votes

Yeah Riot. according to this very knowledgeable nobody, LB is weak and needs you to buff her and all assassins. I'm sure all the pros agree with this OP since his argument is so well founded.

Psi211 votes

Go go tankie dps

djjomon1 votes

Not sure if assassins need a buff, or if they just need a better meta.

InSingedWeTrust1 votes

Which assassins are weak? I'm begging to know.

Visigoth1 votes

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Which assassins are weak? I'm begging to know.

Khazix and Evelynn aren't exactly god tier. Although Evelynn's main problem is the fact that she's a cluster fuck of AD % AP scaling so there's like 7 build paths, all mediocre. And plenty of champions who play like assassins like Pantheon and Nocturne are forced to build tanky because lack of survivability.

InSingedWeTrust2 votes

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Khazix and Evelynn aren't exactly god tier. Although Evelynn's main problem is the fact that she's a cluster fuck of AD % AP scaling so there's like 7 build paths, all mediocre. And plenty of champions who play like assassins like Pantheon and Nocturne are forced to build tanky because lack of survivability.

Pantheon and Nocturne are meant to be bruisers. Kha and Eve I'll give to you, otherwise assassins are thriving.

Z Statistic1 votes

If anything Pantheon is just a lane bully that transitions into the guy that helps kill the idiot who tried to dive your carry. He doesn't just peel them, he peels them off the bottom of his boots. "Assassin" in the vein of Zed and Kha is waaaay too generous.

Abyssphere1 votes

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Which assassins are weak? I'm begging to know.

Kha, Eve, Akali... I think that's about it. The rest are all fine, I can't imagine why anyone would think "Yes, LeBlanc, Zed and Katarina are really having a hard time right now".

We just came out of an assassin meta and even though it's not that meta anymore they're still getting played a lot. Where is the problem? Assassins don't NEED to be the game's #1 force.

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