Buffing Zoe has to be a joke..

JohnnyNeverSins·Oct 18, 2018·7 votes·2,028 views

Buffing her Q distance damage by 20% ap ratio,from 150% max to 170 and lowering her E cd by 2 seconds,16 down to 14...there is no way this is making it into the live servers yes?

Edit: Seems to me that every champion below 50% winrate based on the feedback I've gotten is trash,you are all right,buff everything to the state of Jhin or Graves or KaiSa,but don't you dare fucking complain when they bend you over and fuck the LP out of you,and don't you dare ban Zoe in the next patch. Buff Wukong Buff Akali Buff Karma Buff Lee Buff Lulu Buff Master Yi Buff Syndra

45 Comments

vgamedudeOct 18, 20188 votes

I have never seen more crying about a champion that is factually garbage by all meanings of the word and all facets, every single piece of data shows that she's bad yet people still cry about her.

JamareeOct 18, 201811 votes

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I have never seen more crying about a champion that is factually garbage by all meanings of the word and all facets, every single piece of data shows that she's bad yet people still cry about her.

I think it is because people don’t like playing against her, she could have a 40% win rate and people would still not want her buffed.

vgamedudeOct 18, 20183 votes

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I think it is because people don’t like playing against her, she could have a 40% win rate and people would still not want her buffed.

Then thats just too bad. Guess they should ban her then. There is alot of stuff on this game I abhor as well.

JamareeOct 18, 20184 votes

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Then thats just too bad. Guess they should ban her then. There is alot of stuff on this game I abhor as well.

Same, I hate Shaco, doesn’t mean that he shouldn’t be viable because I’m fairly sure that your main and favorite thing someone else hates, why is it anymore fair that your main is viable and good and others aren’t?

JohnnyNeverSinsOct 18, 20183 votes

My mains are jhin,Kaisa,Zoe, Vladimir and other picks since im not an OTP,none of the champions I play are okay or fun to play against,they all deserve nerfs.zoe is my favourite of them all,she doesn't fucking needs more damage.

JamareeOct 18, 20182 votes

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My mains are jhin,Kaisa,Zoe, Vladimir and other picks since im not an OTP,none of the champions I play are okay or fun to play against,they all deserve nerfs.zoe is my favourite of them all,she doesn't fucking needs more damage.

Why does Vlad need a nerf isnt his win rate also subpar?

ez mental boomOct 18, 20184 votes

How could anyone not like playing against her? I'll take free kills and free wins any day over some AIDS ""tRaDiTiOnAl"" mage pointing and clicking me to death

JamareeOct 18, 20184 votes

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How could anyone not like playing against her? I'll take free kills and free wins any day over some AIDS ""tRaDiTiOnAl"" mage pointing and clicking me to death

Because people are too blinded over her one shot potential to realize that every champion has some kind of cancer in their kit.

JohnnyNeverSinsOct 18, 20182 votes

I just made the thread because when I play her I feel bad for the enemies,I can't be that good and one shot people with 1 spell..come on..she is not okay, unless you are against a zed or a Yasuo maybe? It's a walk in the park..for me at least..

JamareeOct 18, 20182 votes

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I just made the thread because when I play her I feel bad for the enemies,I can't be that good and one shot people with 1 spell..come on..she is not okay, unless you are against a zed or a Yasuo maybe? It's a walk in the park..for me at least..

You are playing at a low elo though, balance isn’t really focused around those players.

StupaflyOct 19, 20181 votes

you cant one shot with one spell.. you are going to need to combo your q with either e or r to do real damage

JohnnyNeverSinsOct 18, 20184 votes

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vgamedudeOct 18, 20182 votes

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So youre really that bad that can't carry a game with Zoe? Or at least win your lane? Btw,the numbers you get are from third-party unapproved sites. Not everything is accurate. Ryzes win rate is the lowest,yet every time I play or play against a decent Ryze he ends up dealing the most damage in the game,but I guess YouTube,Twitch, third-party sites and the Chongs are always right!

Edit: comes from someone with 250k on Zoe on 2 accounts.

Youre so cool dude. If youre so good why aren't you challenger?

Numbers don't lie. Look them up instead of bringing up garbage tier anecdotes, players much better than you and I can't use zoe effectively statistically speaking. That speaks volumes, far more than any anecdote could.

If youre going to call numbers innaccurate and argue in favor of anecdotes you have to explain why. More so than saying an unrelated champion that is also in bad shape sometimes gets top damage. (Ignoring the fact that in pro games and high level even when picked ryze rarely tops damage, and that's the only spot that he's even arguably useful)

JohnnyNeverSinsOct 18, 20182 votes

But you are a silver 1 hard stuck,top main that has the brainpower to play Maokai,garen,Camile,illaoi and Nasus How exactly are you better than me? Of course it's not a problem for a top laner that's also silver to play against Zoe,she probably deals 400 damage max range to you,not going to talk about the people you play against.. I also explained about the numbers,they are not from Riot,and im pretty sure I didn't talk about Ryze in pro play.

vgamedudeOct 18, 20182 votes

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But you are a silver 1 hard stuck,top main that has the brainpower to play Maokai,garen,Camile,illaoi and Nasus How exactly are you better than me? Of course it's not a problem for a top laner that's also silver to play against Zoe,she probably deals 400 damage max range to you,not going to talk about the people you play against.. I also explained about the numbers,they are not from Riot,and im pretty sure I didn't talk about Ryze in pro play.

Notice how my arguments don't involve my personal play and anecdotes? I'm using data from players that are way better than you OR me.

Also check, I don't even play this game hardly at all anymore let alone ranked. Call me crazy but a game that has had the same stale forced meta for half a decade or more doesn't interest me as much as it used to.

I never even said I was better than you either. Please learn to read. You explained the numbers by calling them meaningless with no basis for doing so and providing no alternative. Every site that has any sort of stats and numbers on league shows Zoe is super weak. That means far more than your anecdotes.

I can see though that you're an egoist and love to belittle people, that's cool, just realize you're not as good as you think you are. I acknowledge I'm supremely average at this game. You're only gold 2 anyway, not exactly a super high tier player, but yes if it makes you feel better you're likely better at this game than me.

IllabetheOct 18, 20182 votes

Heh..... btw...... 90% of the Ryzes I see get eaten.

And Zyra does more damage than both of them, and Akali Akali you can pick up for the very first time and go 11/7/7.

JohnnyNeverSinsOct 18, 20182 votes

They are probably first timing the champion,he is strong,one of the strongest mages out there,his play style is just kinda "unique"...1 item and you can Q W Q E Q someone and kill them..

And be careful about Akali..the boards will down vote you and call her a well balance champion..xd

IllabetheOct 18, 20182 votes

I have played over 13000 games since Season 4. I'm pretty sure I have a strong sampling of Ryzes. Hits hard if you let him, but not enough CC to prevent you from killing him, and his combos are difficult to master when you're not near minions he can tag off of to boost the runes. You literally have to almost perfectly master him to even compete up to Gold - Plat with him. Diamond + is generally a dream.

P.S. Half the champ roster can kill Ryze in 2 skills. vs his 5 skills you just mentioned. Good luck getting enough time to get that many Q's.

JamareeOct 18, 20185 votes

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So youre really that bad that can't carry a game with Zoe? Or at least win your lane? Btw,the numbers you get are from third-party unapproved sites. Not everything is accurate. Ryzes win rate is the lowest,yet every time I play or play against a decent Ryze he ends up dealing the most damage in the game,but I guess YouTube,Twitch, third-party sites and the Chongs are always right!

Wait, why is third party sites that showcase analytics false but third party sites that show bias videos and commentary and unmatched games in general ok?

Seems a bit unfair and bias.

JohnnyNeverSinsOct 18, 20181 votes

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JamareeOct 18, 20182 votes

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Sarcasm.fuck YouTube Twitch and the Koreans,they are the reason we see 20 champions max.

Yeah because people blindly follow the meta while openly bitching about it

JohnnyNeverSinsOct 18, 20182 votes

You either follow the meta or get slapped by it.. unfortunately that's the truth the past couple of years..I'm trying to play off meta picks like Kalista for example but you can't..enemy picks jhin and suddenly he gets 2 items and fucks you up even if you are ahead you can't really do much..but I still have fun playing her at least..also zoe,jhin and Kaisa are some of my favourite champions to play but unfortunately they are meta..well except Zoe,but you'll see,once her buffs pass through? Oof

vgamedudeOct 18, 20182 votes

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You either follow the meta or get slapped by it.. unfortunately that's the truth the past couple of years..I'm trying to play off meta picks like Kalista for example but you can't..enemy picks jhin and suddenly he gets 2 items and fucks you up even if you are ahead you can't really do much..but I still have fun playing her at least..also zoe,jhin and Kaisa are some of my favourite champions to play but unfortunately they are meta..well except Zoe,but you'll see,once her buffs pass through? Oof

Kalista just got picked at worlds, she's more "meta" than alot of champions are depending on what your metric of judgement is. I have a feeling yours isn't based on any sort of numbers and stats so I thought I'd throw that out there.

JamareeOct 18, 20182 votes

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You either follow the meta or get slapped by it.. unfortunately that's the truth the past couple of years..I'm trying to play off meta picks like Kalista for example but you can't..enemy picks jhin and suddenly he gets 2 items and fucks you up even if you are ahead you can't really do much..but I still have fun playing her at least..also zoe,jhin and Kaisa are some of my favourite champions to play but unfortunately they are meta..well except Zoe,but you'll see,once her buffs pass through? Oof

That isn’t even slightly true, until you hit high diamond you can take any champion to there hence why even Kindred mains have master players.

ez mental boomOct 18, 20185 votes

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So youre really that bad that can't carry a game with Zoe? Or at least win your lane? Btw,the numbers you get are from third-party unapproved sites. Not everything is accurate. Ryzes win rate is the lowest,yet every time I play or play against a decent Ryze he ends up dealing the most damage in the game,but I guess YouTube,Twitch, third-party sites and the Chongs are always right!

Edit: comes from someone with 250k on Zoe on 2 accounts.

TIL anecdotes trump statistics LOL

G&B really is pathetically delusional

KVbqbFsC8eOct 18, 20185 votes

Thats what happens with champions who have very poorly designed kits.

IllabetheOct 18, 20188 votes

Yo do realize even good players with her are completely getting trashed? She's a no impact small aoe champ whose kit makes her innately easy to redict every time she skills.

Is she Paddling Back? Oh my..... it's coming..... better avoid it.

Did she just ult forward/backward? Oh...... I know where she's going to be in one second, so I can layup my skill shots with absolute certainty,,,,, and if backwards...... Oh my she might be coming back with a Paddle star...... better avoid it.

Oh..... She missed her E..... let's not walk here? hmm...

Get over it. They're buffing her LATE GAME to give her a chance to come back from the crap heap complaints like yours have turned her into.

Malix FarwinOct 18, 20182 votes

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Yo do realize even good players with her are completely getting trashed? She's a no impact small aoe champ whose kit makes her innately easy to redict every time she skills.

Is she Paddling Back? Oh my..... it's coming..... better avoid it.

Did she just ult forward/backward? Oh...... I know where she's going to be in one second, so I can layup my skill shots with absolute certainty,,,,, and if backwards...... Oh my she might be coming back with a Paddle star...... better avoid it.

Oh..... She missed her E..... let's not walk here? hmm...

Get over it. They're buffing her LATE GAME to give her a chance to come back from the crap heap complaints like yours have turned her into.

Well the problem really i am seeing with her(i have nearly 900k mastery on her) is the no impact part. I can still perform okay but right now i feel like i have no impact on the games.

AkumuOct 18, 20185 votes

You dont seem to understand.

There are many mid lane picks that have significantly higher impact. Zoe's impact is currently on the extreme low end. Why would you pick her right now?

IllabetheOct 19, 20181 votes

Pretty much..... about the only thing Zoe is good for other than an occasional ( and I mean occasional) snipe..... is to use More Sparkles to push a turret, since the damage applies. But there are so many better kits to do this and she isn't exactly one of the champs you like to get caught out doing it.

MagicFlyingLlamaOct 18, 20186 votes

Her winrate is one of the lowest in the game. Learn to dodge and complain about Yasuo more.

JohnnyNeverSinsOct 18, 20185 votes

Learn his cooldowns,fight him early and dodge his tornado.

Zeppelins circusOct 19, 20182 votes

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Learn his cooldowns,fight him early and dodge his tornado.

lmao, I'll just windwall and use E-Q into you for a granted knockup that even a chimpanzee can do. Who even USES tornado these days on Yasuo. You'll just push the lane and get ganked.

ez mental boomOct 18, 20184 votes

45% winrate champion BROKEN POGGERS

JohnnyNeverSinsOct 18, 20183 votes

So you find it okay when I fuck you out of vision with one spell? Cool.

IllabetheOct 18, 20184 votes

Except that's currently impossible unless you somehow line up a shot that hits using wall's 50% median rule to make extra long R jumps, or are literally 5-6k ahead in gold versus the other team...... at which point you SHOULD be doing that.

Sharpest glassesOct 18, 20182 votes

Akali is broken despite having 46% wr, same for Galio (he's freelo if you have hands).

AkumuOct 18, 20183 votes

She is pretty much trash tier right now.

Sorry you're a bronzetard sheep stuck in a 4 month old circlejerk.

The only joke here is your post.

JohnnyNeverSinsOct 18, 20182 votes

Uh,I feel bad for your little brain that can't abuse Zoe on the high-totaly-not-hardstuck plat 5 elo

5050BSOct 18, 20182 votes

How about Riot stop with the insane burst? Hmmm? How about make the champs actually have to play for more then two button clicks to kill someone? Hmmm?

Its like Lux and Zed

Lux = I was randomly shotting Q out and hit someone (ER) Got a kill

Zed = I pressed R and face rolled the keyboard and got a kill.

Malix FarwinOct 18, 20182 votes

Heres the thing about the Zoe buffs and why i think they are appropriate but first i want to say something very important that i think we can all agree on.

Damage across the board is a bit too high yes and should be toned downed most definitely. Due to this (and i think we can also agree on this OP) that any champion that is not doing a ton of damage feels very weak right now.

Which this leads into why i think the buffs are fine but should come with conditions. They are essentially buffing her to match other burst champions which is fine but the buffs should be accompanied by by flat nerfs across the board to both AP and AD itemizations for everyone and then buffing up under performers.

UperiorOct 18, 20181 votes

Can we buff Azir too then plz? :D

JohnnyNeverSinsOct 18, 20182 votes

True that,why not buff him as well? Ryze too! Their win rates are so low omg omg...

StupaflyOct 18, 20181 votes

LOL are they really??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

This is going to be fun :D

Lovelle IIOct 18, 20181 votes

Yeah sucks considering they just got done hard nerfing Trundle, who is already hard-countered by Zoe in most situations. If she starts appearing in every other game again, I won't be able to play him at all, instead of occasionally like I do now.