Lucian has a 53.13% win rate with a 34.59% pick rate in Korea

melior sum·Dec 2, 2018·23 votes·11,339 views

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So, nerfs when?

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TrapsYummyDec 3, 201813 votes

its not that lucian is overpowered, its that every other adc is complete trash so he basically just gets a free lead against any adc that isnt a cheese pick

ShiƒterDec 3, 20182 votes

Pretty much what I was trying to get at. I loved playing adc when it wasn't such a cancer role. Now it just feels like a constant hit or miss role.

Janna Me FiddleDec 3, 20182 votes

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Pretty much what I was trying to get at. I loved playing adc when it wasn't such a cancer role. Now it just feels like a constant hit or miss role.

I'm....oddly enjoying the Lane Bully meta as it's my preferred style of play, just not enjoying the massive amounts of damage going around everywhere.

Anyone noticed that Lucian isn't doing so well against other lane bullies that can out trade him? Namely Mage lane bullies.

BestPudgeNADec 3, 20182 votes

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its not that lucian is overpowered, its that every other adc is complete trash so he basically just gets a free lead against any adc that isnt a cheese pick

I know right this is why nobody picks ADCs ever i mean just the other day i saw someone pick Karthus Bot like WTF BUFF ADC MY GOD RIOT THIS ROLE IS TOO WEAK

TrapsYummyDec 3, 201810 votes

Are you okay?

CatffeineDec 3, 20181 votes

Riot is already buffing adcs in 8.24b

LTK KoRoDec 3, 20181 votes

Without any good reason tbh, they just should buff IE a bit, nerf lucian and call it a day.

With such an ADC outrage they'll make them busted... again

ez mental boomDec 5, 20181 votes

They should revert IE and every change to kits that came with it

Keep the zeal nerfs

LTK KoRoDec 5, 20181 votes

I'd rather not be two-shot with +800 dmg crit, thanks

Dr DogDec 3, 20181 votes

not really just that, its a lane bully snowball meta so its obvious that hes gonna be broken in it (and he definitely didnt get buffs patch after patch before his new skin or anything)

GayFluffyUnicornDec 3, 20182 votes

True silver words have never been spoken.

TrapsYummyDec 3, 20182 votes

spot the bruiser main

ez mental boomDec 5, 20181 votes

You're forgetting the fact that the BoRK buff and the ER rework were pretty much made for him and only him

And the fact that, not only does he not need celerity, the nerf to it has given him the freedom of choosing manaflow band

250 mana from a mastery is enormous on a champion with 348.9 – 994.9 base and none in his core build

TrapsYummyDec 5, 20181 votes

Essence reaver is a niche item that lucian will only ever build whenever he's insanely ahead and doesnt need the magic resist or armor to survive a fight. BoRK has not been buffed in any way that affects "him and only him" it only had its cost lowered which other ad's like Vayne Varus Ezreal KogMaw and Twitch build, which you can see, is alot of ads

ShiƒterDec 2, 20189 votes

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WoonStruckDec 2, 20188 votes

And Lucian would still be dominant because he'd bully those other ADCs out. There's a reason Lucian and MF rule bot lane r/n.

SchenixDec 3, 20182 votes

Those are both adc's that don't rely on crit. He's not inherently wrong, Lucian is able to translate his lead too long now because crit spikes take more to come online. Lucian is borderline broken because of this, but it's a systemic issue. Meanwhile though, I don't think Miss Fortune has dropped below 50% for almost an entire season regardless of changes.

Edit: After some research, Miss Fortune hasn't reliably dropped below 50% for 2 years. The only time she did for more than 1 fluke patch at a distanced time(s) [there were also a few where she hit 54% with no response] was when she was the most banned ADC by a very large margin that skewed the numbers for a few patches near the beginning of the year.

Vanilla TrubbsDec 3, 20182 votes

A huge factor with that is the itemization, namely that neither MF nor Lucian get an early BF sword. One of the worst things that can happen to an ADC is being forced to back or dying at 900-1200 gold, when you are close to BF but can't quite get it. Lucian and MF can just get long swords and incrementally upgrade them, while a pick like Jinx is super hamstrung. Also Lucian and MF are stronger early and the game is usually over before other ADC "come online."

BestPudgeNADec 2, 20181 votes

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It's really not that Lucian is broken, but simply he is one of the few adcs who doesnt need to build crit and still be very strong. Most lucians go bork into cleaver then into crit later on.

Yes he can proc pta a little too easily and yes Lucian+Braum is literally unbeatable, but if riot fixed crit items/the adc role in general other adcs would still be viable against him. Downvote if you want but it's just my opinion.

I know right ADCs are really really weak, when Lucian is banned bot laners always pick Vlad and Swain. Because Crit is just too weak

Lucian is obviously weak also

-#ADCLivesMatter

TwitchInMyPantsDec 3, 20182 votes

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It's really not that Lucian is broken,

and yes Lucian+Braum is literally unbeatable,

I don't know how you wrote "literally unbeatable" and "not broken" in the same post about the same champion

Never losing is pretty much the definition of gamebreaking.

Vanilla TrubbsDec 3, 20181 votes

Want to beat Lucian and Braum?

Try picking Veigar and Lux.

feintfiendDec 3, 20186 votes

Lucian is only so good because regular ADCs are so trash. Heimerdinger and Karthus are top tier bot picks meanwhile classic ADCs rot in the dusk. Don't nerf Lucian, buff crit ADCs.

Also OP.GG stats are from high elo korea which really isn't indicative of other regions because their games are so quick and early game focused meanwhile lucian is a borderline shitpick in low elo where its tough to end games.

Vanilla TrubbsDec 3, 20182 votes

Man it feels good to see someone else say this.

ADC are the worst I've ever seen right now, and I've played this game for 8 years. Picks like Jinx are basically handicapping yourself at this point.

LTK KoRoDec 3, 20182 votes

It's funny how ADCs being at the worst made game much better. With ADCs being in current state every other role have much bigger carry potential.

ADCs died for the other roles, and since im jungle/top player, i have 0 problems with that

Vanilla TrubbsDec 4, 20182 votes

But the game isn't better; the game is worse. The most fun part of the game to me was teamfighting as an ADC and now it feels like teamfights don't really happen because everyone dies so fast. Like imagine trying to run a protect the kog'maw comp nowadays, the mobility and power creep of the newer and reworked champions is so off the charts bad that it would be utterly futile. Personally I think it's gotten worse since season 4, but that's because I never thought Riot would be ok with just neutering an entire role out of the game.

LTK KoRoDec 4, 20181 votes

Of course the game is worse for you, the ADC mains. But for toplaners/junglers and midlaners game is better.

For you teamfighting as ADC was the biggest fun in the game. For players like me, teamfights usually weren't really fun. I don't enjoy being mowed down by ADC, his support and his other peelers. And fact that protect the kog comp wouldn't work is a actually great thing, such a comp had a really low skill expression and was much more frustrating to face than anything else.

Also it's funny how you're talking about neutering an entire role with context of ADCs only. During famous ardent meta Assassins, non-ardent supps and bruisers were neutered out and no one outside of them didn't really care. In different metas different roles are bad or straight up useless, and finally time has come for ADCs.

I don't think game is in perfect state right now, but for sure it's the best state we had in last 3-5 years. Why? Because every role outside of ADCs have decent carry potential. Hell, im 100% sure that good BOTLANES can still carry games.

Vanilla TrubbsDec 5, 20181 votes

I disagree. I don't think any other role has eve been this neutered or ineffective at impacting the outcome of the game. During famous ardent meta, supports were one of the strongest roles in the game. Your argument that because they were limited in what they could pick doesn't change that the role itself was still extremely powerful and impactful. And you could still play non-ardent supports - leona, braum, and alistar are always good picks with their reliable heavy CC combos. Mid has always been strong; the champions that are strong vary, but mid has always been a power carry lane.

Also, what do you think the C in ADC stands for? That's right, it's supposed to be Attack Damage Carry! Mid also used to be called AP Carry before they made all the ad mid champions like zed. I'd say there are times when bruisers are weaker or stronger, but I don't think they've ever truly been neutered because they can generally kill adc in 1v1 even if a full item down, depending on the matchup.

Botlane is a troll fest at this point, when crap like yasuo gets the same damage at 2 items as an adc at 3.5-4 items, letting him build 1 more damage item and a couple defensive items to utterly outclass an entire archetype. I guess it's good to know there are people that like the way the game is now, because I think it's in the worst state I've ever seen by far.

Daddy AntsDec 3, 20182 votes

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Man it feels good to see someone else say this.

ADC are the worst I've ever seen right now, and I've played this game for 8 years. Picks like Jinx are basically handicapping yourself at this point.

If you're not playing Draven Ezreal Jhin MissFortune Lucian you're literally cutting your own legs off and wondering why you can't walk.

Vanilla TrubbsDec 4, 20181 votes

Which sucks because Jinx was my favorite pick for months leading up to that dreaded patch. Kai'sa does ok too but I think it has more to do with her being able to build both hourglass and guardian angel than anything else.

saltranDec 2, 20185 votes

I love this part of your source: https://imgur.com/a/J9K8eTx

BestPudgeNADec 2, 20182 votes

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I love this part of your source: https://imgur.com/a/J9K8eTx

He also loses to Kog and Ashe

Confirmed Kog and Ashe the most broken ADCs WTF

-#BuffLucian -#BuffCrit

ez mental boomDec 5, 20181 votes

He has a 50.03% winrate against Ashe and a 50.59% winrate against Kog

Ashe is just unconditionally useful with her ult and Kog outscales him

BestPudgeNADec 2, 20183 votes

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I love this part of your source: https://imgur.com/a/J9K8eTx

I Love this part

http://na.op.gg/champion/lucian/statistics/top

WR with summoner 12 51.82%

Hayaishi2Dec 3, 20183 votes

Dont nerf lucian while cancer like karthus is lurking bot lane pls

Yara0Dec 3, 20182 votes

Lucian and ez always have a high pick rate in korea. Cause self peel for an adc in solo queue is priceless.

Daddy AntsDec 3, 20181 votes

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Lucian and ez always have a high pick rate in korea. Cause self peel for an adc in solo queue is priceless.

Vayne has self peel as well, arguably as good or even better then those 2.

Has less than half their pick rate.

Yara0Dec 3, 20186 votes

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Vayne has self peel as well, arguably as good or even better then those 2.

Has less than half their pick rate.

Vayne knock back knocks back one person and maybe stuns them. Lucian and ez can run from 5 people and can go over walls. its not even close.

hhaavviikkDec 3, 20181 votes

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Vayne knock back knocks back one person and maybe stuns them. Lucian and ez can run from 5 people and can go over walls. its not even close.

while using ult vayne can become untargetabble for 1 second every 2 seconds with 0 CDR, that's quite a big plus to survivability