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Why is not dying so difficult?

Zerenza··1 votes·1,240 views

I'v had 3 games in a row where 2 or more of laner's just couldn't stop dying, like, how hard is it to just simply make it your goal to Not Die.

Like, i made that my goal and my KDA in almost all my games reflects it, you win more when you die less, i'd argue that dying less especially in low elo like where i'm at is much better than any of the guides about CSing, Lane Control, Jungle Control ect because in Low ELO most of that stuff doesn't matter as long as the enemy doesn't get fed because 90% of your enemies don't know any of that stuff anyway so as long as you DO NOT DIE! They probably can't win.

Just don't die, that's all i ask, i just want one game today where my laner's don't straight up die 8 times in a row, to be fair i won one of those but let's be real it was pure luck and a couple of good steals but still, it was FAR HARDER simply because they kept dying. Stop Dying.

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  1. Don't listen to your teamates when they get into fight's you know you can't win.

Gnar get's caught in a 3v1, frantically pings for assistance, don't help him he's dead and chances are your not going to get anything out of that especially if your the only person capable of helping him.

  1. In lane play safer around your enemies strengths.

VS an Assassin for example you, as a mage, should be focused more on farming, keep your positioning far enough back that they have to use at least one ability to get to you, this way they limit their ability to kill you because they used one of those ability just to get to you. If the assassin has a level 6 power spike be prepared for it and continue to play safely out of their effective range.

Don't forget that while Mages excel at Poking and Harrassing from range early on, in most Assassin matchups they start losing trades at level 3, especially if your not doing a good job keeping your spacing, dodging and hitting skillshots. (I have lost many a matchup just because of those three things.)

  1. You lost once in lane already, What do? You know your being camped, what do?

It sucks and it's definitely not fun but you need to accept that fighting the enemy laner isn't something your capable of right now, your much better off going 0/1 with a slight CS disadvantage than going 0/6 with a huge CS and EXP disadvantage because you've died so many times. Focus on CSing and let them push the wave, farm as much as you can, keep your level close to their's the more you die the more EXP you miss out on.

  1. Don't bite the hand that ganks for you.

If your jungler refuses to gank you there's probably a reason why, if i see a fed laner i tend to ignore that lane because i don't want to make it worse and depending on the champion i'v learned from my 400+ games on Evelynn(for example) that i can't help you. In addition i certainly won't help you if they keep getting more fed and if you keep blaming me.

There's probably more but what i'm saying here is that sure in High ELO CSing is more important, because high ELO games tend to have less Deaths and therefore less gold obtained from Kill's/ Assists. This means that they need to CS much better in order to obtain an advantage, they need to have a much better understanding of Lane Control and Wave Control because CS advantages can lead to kill advantages.

In Low ELO this isn't nearly as true, most player's(Including myself) have incredibly bad CS most of the time because were just not as skilled at it. In Low ELO games there's much more deaths on average and much less CS, meaning that a large portion of the gold the enemy get's is simply because you keep dying. If you work hard on dying less you'll see situations where the enemy threw their lead from that kill they got on you because they couldn't CS to make up for the fact that your too hard to kill for them to get super fed off of. You'll also find that your no longer 2-3 levels behind the enemy laner because your actually there for the EXP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zh8d4g3aGhA

Here's a video about increasing your knowledge of matchups and learning to not underestimating your opponent because of your knowledge. Knowledge is power.

12 Comments

JetCracker3 votes

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Just don't die. Stop Dying.

Man you've done it! You figured how to get rank one, why havn't the pros thought of this? Holy crap this is meta changing It only took 10 Seasons to find out!?!!

Now my super duper mind has thought of something even better!

"Just win lol."

Zerenza1 votes

I appreciate the sarcasm but you should read what i posted above.

JetCracker1 votes

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i'd argue that dying less especially in low elo like where i'm at is much better than any of the guides about CSing, Lane Control, Jungle Control ect because in Low ELO most of that stuff doesn't matter

I appreciate the sarcasm but you should read what i posted above.

Csing, lane control, jungle control and ect all affect how you die. You need to learn all of that to stop less dying which is probably the main reason all these players die over and over. That's why in higher elo you see less 1v1 deaths because they've learned these things, these lower elo players don't therefor they don't know how to play when behind and so they play normally like it's an even lane which gets them killed. Sure they can play safe but they don't know what playing safe means. When i firsted started playing and heard play safe I would sit under tower and not leave this isn't helpful at all to the team since you just gave up lane control and the laner can do what ever they want else where.

Simply low elo players die a lot because they don't know how to play the game when behind or generally at all which is why they suck.

Zerenza1 votes

{quoted}

  1. Don't listen to your teamates when they get into fight's you know you can't win.

Gnar get's caught in a 3v1, frantically pings for assistance, don't help him he's dead and chances are your not going to get anything out of that especially if your the only person capable of helping him.

  1. In lane play safer around your enemies strengths.

VS an Assassin for example you, as a mage, should be focused more on farming, keep your positioning far enough back that they have to use at least one ability to get to you, this way they limit their ability to kill you because they used one of those ability just to get to you. If the assassin has a level 6 power spike be prepared for it and continue to play safely out of their effective range.

Don't forget that while Mages excel at Poking and Harrassing from range early on, in most Assassin matchups they start losing trades at level 3, especially if your not doing a good job keeping your spacing, dodging and hitting skillshots. (I have lost many a matchup just because of those three things.)

  1. You lost once in lane already, What do? You know your being camped, what do?

It sucks and it's definitely not fun but you need to accept that fighting the enemy laner isn't something your capable of right now, your much better off going 0/1 with a slight CS disadvantage than going 0/6 with a huge CS and EXP disadvantage because you've died so many times. Focus on CSing and let them push the wave, farm as much as you can, keep your level close to their's the more you die the more EXP you miss out on.

  1. Don't bite the hand that ganks for you.

If your jungler refuses to gank you there's probably a reason why, if i see a fed laner i tend to ignore that lane because i don't want to make it worse and depending on the champion i'v learned from my 400+ games on Evelynn(for example) that i can't help you. In addition i certainly won't help you if they keep getting more fed and if you keep blaming me.

There's probably more but what i'm saying here is that sure in High ELO CSing is more important, because high ELO games tend to have less Deaths and therefore less gold obtained from Kill's/ Assists. This means that they need to CS much better in order to obtain an advantage, they need to have a much better understanding of Lane Control and Wave Control because CS advantages can lead to kill advantages.

In Low ELO this isn't nearly as true, most player's(Including myself) have incredibly bad CS most of the time because were just not as skilled at it. In Low ELO games there's much more deaths on average and much less CS, meaning that a large portion of the gold the enemy get's is simply because you keep dying. If you work hard on dying less you'll see situations where the enemy threw their lead from that kill they got on you because they couldn't CS to make up for the fact that your too hard to kill for them to get super fed off of. You'll also find that your no longer 2-3 levels behind the enemy laner because your actually there for the EXP.

Dying is caused by a lack of knowledge primarily, yes that's true.

Illabethe1 votes

The problem with your post, as they are pointing out, is that often the team you are fighting is just better at forcing, you have no control over what other lanes are doing, and the best you literally can do is force 3-4 champions to blow all their skills on one Support so your other 4 players can pick up the mess left behind.

https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/3250047603/243999882?tab=overview

Hard won bot.

But..... Der Der.... after bot, Tristana got 7/7 somehow and got back in. Rengar had 3 bountys early game and people fed both assassins.

Almost none of the team is designed to stop Voli from running you down.

BOTH assassins gave Tristana the directions to hard focus me the entire game. I'd Zhonya a Zed ult only to be ulted by Rengar too, supplemented by Tristana dives.

But you see that Ashe there? Used about 8-9 of my 13 deaths to mop up aces.

My 13th death won us the game, because it wasted Zed, Wasted Rengar, put Taric wide out in the open to be 4v1'd, Trist went back to base and Voli pushed bot. My team used the 45-53 second timers to go from our outer turret to their nexus.

P.S. Most of this game LeBlanc was getting accused of being useless, because instead of laning, she was roaming Rengar's jungle, doing nothing, and for the first ~ 13 minutes of the game Zed literally LIVED bot lane with Rengar. We were basically 2v4 with a limping Shaco.

SirWimder1 votes

{quoted}

Man you've done it! You figured how to get rank one, why havn't the pros thought of this? Holy crap this is meta changing It only took 10 Seasons to find out!?!!

Now my super duper mind has thought of something even better!

"Just win lol."

For the simple fact you have simple minded idiots like this who dont understand the meaning to Small ripples make bigger waves. These types of people typically have an alpha male type of playstyle that very feast or famine way, Rather then be consistent they use league to fuel a rush of emotions, and then when they famine its typically the teams fault. and when you tell them this, you just created a tyler1 clone..

You can lead a horse to water but you can make it drink. They must realize they are thirsty first then they will drink. SImply put, each person has their own...Oh shit moment. Some just take longer then others.

As a person who has done this type of topic in serveral games for a psyhc paper, as you can see this type of responce from the OP is about 90% of what you will get..and the other 10% will be roughly your in this elo...what do you know about winning games. But least i thought i would share what i have found in my research on this topic. Best of luck in your games my friend.

Zerenza1 votes

I did expand on what you can do to die less in a reply above. I'm not simply saying don't die, it's truly not that simple but learning how to make yourself as hard to kill as possible and there are plenty of ways/guides on how to/how to play matchups or how to play from a deficit that i myself read over and they helped me a lot.

I guess i should have explained that considering no one is taking any of it seriously and think i'm, as you said "Alpha Male, Feast or Famine" type.

SirWimder1 votes

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I did expand on what you can do to die less in a reply above. I'm not simply saying don't die, it's truly not that simple but learning how to make yourself as hard to kill as possible and there are plenty of ways/guides on how to/how to play matchups or how to play from a deficit that i myself read over and they helped me a lot.

I guess i should have explained that considering no one is taking any of it seriously and think i'm, as you said "Alpha Male, Feast or Famine" type.

Right, But alot of the things that will be said in this post, have been said since season 1. but their will always be a difference in peoples mind sets, You may have climbed by playing safe and not doing all the "bullshit" plays that you see, But at the same time, That bullshit style of play maybe what got them their to the same level your out. Just like in poker with league, You can still be the best player in the world, but even the worst player in the world no clue what they are doing can flop a royal flush. For those of us who do not have luck on our side we must stick with the constents we know. For those who get lucky all the time, I bet a bunch of them are yi mains who hit r e and then q to closest target and pray to alpha jesus...and they get pentas.

Not everyones playstyle matches each other, And is why when they took out full on premade 5s i took 2 years off. As i did not feel like being forced to play with a random at that time as that change alone was the a huge turning point for me. I still love the game, I just cant play it for hours like i use to. Even tho my wife does, and she is really the reason i still play the game. other then that, but the majority of the community is ego boosted monkeys that take their anger out in game. Just mute and move on and focus on your play. Its what i do. No f given about w/l ratio anymore. as i can only control myself. I play to only improve my understanding of the game, and since it is always changing their is always something new to learn.

For your style of play, just be patient, farm each game like it was mininons, find your window to explode and take over the game....You wont win them all, but technically you only need to win 51% of them to climb. So what your team feed, is the team so cocky they are chasing kills? How do you beat an 11/1 nasus who is focused on kills....dont be in lane for him to kill you and while he is 1vxing your team top take 1 or 2 towers bot....Yeah he got them kills...but next time he get 3 more kills like that that inhib is my bitch. and if your team has tried to 1vx nasus more then once, they will do it again...just give it time!

its called solo q for a reason. Stick with what got you their, and stick with your goals. Your goal maybe to stat your kda, while others maybe to push the limits of their champ, so yeah their going to die. nothing you can do other then try and help them and possibly die with, or to farm it out and watch them die. Their will always be a valid point to each side of the arguement....Sure you got 20 cs lead while yi died in river....but what if yi is right, and your combo could have saved him.

Each new game, is a new game of chess. you may understand how the puzzle works, but if its ever adapting and your never changing, Who is really in the wrong, The rock for not moving, or the sea who will not stop untill the rock is a pebble.

ZephyrDrake2 votes

And how would we achieve this "not dying" you talk about? Please enlighten us with your great knowledge

Zerenza1 votes
  1. Don't listen to your teamates when they get into fight's you know you can't win.

Gnar get's caught in a 3v1, frantically pings for assistance, don't help him he's dead and chances are your not going to get anything out of that especially if your the only person capable of helping him.

  1. In lane play safer around your enemies strengths.

VS an Assassin for example you, as a mage, should be focused more on farming, keep your positioning far enough back that they have to use at least one ability to get to you, this way they limit their ability to kill you because they used one of those ability just to get to you. If the assassin has a level 6 power spike be prepared for it and continue to play safely out of their effective range.

Don't forget that while Mages excel at Poking and Harrassing from range early on, in most Assassin matchups they start losing trades at level 3, especially if your not doing a good job keeping your spacing, dodging and hitting skillshots. (I have lost many a matchup just because of those three things.)

  1. You lost once in lane already, What do? You know your being camped, what do?

It sucks and it's definitely not fun but you need to accept that fighting the enemy laner isn't something your capable of right now, your much better off going 0/1 with a slight CS disadvantage than going 0/6 with a huge CS and EXP disadvantage because you've died so many times. Focus on CSing and let them push the wave, farm as much as you can, keep your level close to their's the more you die the more EXP you miss out on.

  1. Don't bite the hand that ganks for you.

If your jungler refuses to gank you there's probably a reason why, if i see a fed laner i tend to ignore that lane because i don't want to make it worse and depending on the champion i'v learned from my 400+ games on Evelynn(for example) that i can't help you. In addition i certainly won't help you if they keep getting more fed and if you keep blaming me.

There's probably more but what i'm saying here is that sure in High ELO CSing is more important, because high ELO games tend to have less Deaths and therefore less gold obtained from Kill's/ Assists. This means that they need to CS much better in order to obtain an advantage, they need to have a much better understanding of Lane Control and Wave Control because CS advantages can lead to kill advantages.

In Low ELO this isn't nearly as true, most player's(Including myself) have incredibly bad CS most of the time because were just not as skilled at it. In Low ELO games there's much more deaths on average and much less CS, meaning that a large portion of the gold the enemy get's is simply because you keep dying. If you work hard on dying less you'll see situations where the enemy threw their lead from that kill they got on you because they couldn't CS to make up for the fact that your too hard to kill for them to get super fed off of. You'll also find that your no longer 2-3 levels behind the enemy laner because your actually there for the EXP.

KFCeytron2 votes

You see, at the same time your teammates are trying to not die, there are other people - your opponents - who are also doing their best to prevent your teammates from not dying. Think of it like a kind of game.

2gudaiya1 votes

not dying is really hard for low elo because people don't understand how zones work in practice.

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