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"yasuo double crit passive gives him too much power spike"

Ahristocats··9 votes·1,879 views

alright mister i can't blame myself for losing against yasuo, let's ignore together how yasuo loses 10% damage in late game (25% on Q) making falling off in late game compared to other melee carries

https://i.gyazo.com/eae1f61536f63bdebc658dcf0da9049e.png

i don't understand, why yasuo's win rate is dropping after 40 min? why is his win rate spikes only at 54% meanwhile :

https://i.gyazo.com/ed5377545f17b6213a8439616e3bd72c.png

Riven doesn't fall off, spikes to 56%

https://i.gyazo.com/67b41262fc3b949d1b4e57e15d40a224.png

Fiora doesn't fall off, spikes to 54%

https://i.gyazo.com/67455a23f77270fc419ceebbc4b09932.png

Tryndamere doesn't fall off, spikes to 65%

https://i.gyazo.com/5c8b113f1d3caefd44fe932c6fb37b66.png

MasterYi doesn't fall off, spikes to 65%

https://i.gyazo.com/339a5cbe810aaa46f1e45cbc15c97ab7.png

Vayne do i need to comment?

that is the reality, yasuo trades early power spike for a worse late game than any other hyper carries And his power spike isn't even the best considering that vayne with IE+shiv can 90-0 a squishy, twitch with a zeal item+IE can removes an entire team from the map

i have one word to say to you: learn the game instead of posting endless posts

-gH~~

29 Comments

nice table5 votes

its not that yasuo is op its that his really fucking obnoxious to play against, well much like all the other champions you listed but ya know.

Ahristocats2 votes

He's less obnoxious than yi to play against

yi is mobile everywhere, yasuo low range dash makes him unable to fight anywhere but in lane yi is only countered by hard cc unless you kill him before he gets his W off, yasuo's windwall can be dealt without hard ccs depending on situations, i remind you that the wall moves forward yi has strong base stats, yasuo has trash base stats and no mr/lvl relying on his shield to survive yi stat-checks you, presses 2 spells to get true damage+attack speed and has double hit passive, yasuo has to aim for his tornado then ult to get %bonus armor penetration on critical strikes

nice table2 votes

id be fine with yasuo if he actually had to aim his tornado, i guess you are talking about team fights here but in a 1 on 1 yasuo never aims his tornado.

Ahristocats2 votes

stat-checking is all about 1v1, not team fights

nice table1 votes

well that's what yasuo does 100%

Ahristocats2 votes

in 1v1? he doesn't stat check you since his tornado can miss ending in more situations than 2 (i don't have enough stats, i have enough stats)

nice table1 votes

dunno about you but every yasuo ive played against uses their tornado with their E making it unmissable, well you can flash it but ya know.

MLDzXnRRR2 votes

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its not that yasuo is op its that his really fucking obnoxious to play against, well much like all the other champions you listed but ya know.

I would prefer to play vs a god tier Yasuo than a semi-decent Riven, Vayne or Jayce.

yesnobanana5 votes

FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT

Akali is SO HOT4 votes

Incoming, "Yasuo is ebola aids idk how to play against him cuz I suk nerf him riot Xd"

C10 Rekkles3 votes

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Ralanr2 votes

I wouldn't say Riven is very right click reliant.

Gotta spam buttons.

MLDzXnRRR1 votes

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I wouldn't say Riven is very right click reliant.

Gotta spam buttons.

Most of her dmg is from the passive that is bonus AA dmg. You ain't gonna die her abilities alone, their damage is not that high.

Paroe2 votes

So... Correct me of im wrong, but 10% of 500 is only fifty.

Yasuo gets more than 50 AD because he DOESNT need to buy 3 crit items. And he hits his power spike MUCH earlier.

Ahristocats1 votes

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And he hits his power spike MUCH earlier.

if you're not seeing what is written I SAID YES but he falls off in late game due to this COMPARED to other melee adc

yes, it's only 50 damage (and much more on Q and randuin critical strike reduction) but compared to what other shit the other get (yi true damage double attack and ult)it's terrible in late game

Paroe1 votes

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if you're not seeing what is written I SAID YES but he falls off in late game due to this COMPARED to other melee adc

yes, it's only 50 damage (and much more on Q and randuin critical strike reduction) but compared to what other shit the other get (yi true damage double attack and ult)it's terrible in late game

I dont even understand what you mean by "falls off". Yasuo and GP are the only "melee ADCs" - because an ADC utilizes crit.

Lets compare builds, yeah? item 3085 item 3031 item 3006 item 3072 item 3046 item 3036 - Standard ADC build. item 3046 item 3031 item 3047 item 3072 item 3812 item 3033 - Yasuo build i see a lot item 3078 item 3031 item 3158 item 3046 item 3142 item 3033 - GP build i see a lot

Yasuo has 240% crit damage. in order to maintain the same damage as a standard ADC he needs... a whopping 10AD. Yasuo does MORE damage than a standard ADC, FROM EARLIER IN THE GAME, and has an additional item slot for MORE AD late game. He doesnt "fall off", if he did, you could claim that ANY ADC falls off and we know this isnt the case.

Further, yasuo has built in % A-pen. All he has to do, literally, is farm until he has PD and IE. Then he is become death destroyer of elo.

SP Dodgecity1 votes

New Meta for ADC's my friend.

MissFortune with item 3142 item 3814 item 3147 item 3071 item 3153 item 3006 Doesn't work for everyone but you'll completely shred everyone alive, you have a spell shield at will, and you can clear wards easily.... plus full lethality which destroys all when you ult. Don't have to worry about attack speed because of her W. Miss-fortune my home girl rn and Ahri :D

Paroe1 votes

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New Meta for ADC's my friend.

MissFortune with item 3142 item 3814 item 3147 item 3071 item 3153 item 3006 Doesn't work for everyone but you'll completely shred everyone alive, you have a spell shield at will, and you can clear wards easily.... plus full lethality which destroys all when you ult. Don't have to worry about attack speed because of her W. Miss-fortune my home girl rn and Ahri :D

This hasnt been a popular build for at least two patches now. Why even get botrk when item 3812 does what it does only better AND heals you during your ult?

SP Dodgecity1 votes

XD bro Ive had nothing but success with full lethality build MF, also... umm bork is for attack speed, life steal, and anti tank item... THe only similarity is the sustain XD completely different items dude.

PermabannedGaren2 votes

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alright mister i can't blame myself for losing against yasuo, let's ignore together how yasuo loses 10% damage in late game (25% on Q) making falling off in late game compared to other melee carries

https://i.gyazo.com/eae1f61536f63bdebc658dcf0da9049e.png

i don't understand, why yasuo's win rate is dropping after 40 min? why is his win rate spikes only at 54% meanwhile :

https://i.gyazo.com/ed5377545f17b6213a8439616e3bd72c.png

Riven doesn't fall off, spikes to 56%

https://i.gyazo.com/67b41262fc3b949d1b4e57e15d40a224.png

Fiora doesn't fall off, spikes to 54%

https://i.gyazo.com/67455a23f77270fc419ceebbc4b09932.png

Tryndamere doesn't fall off, spikes to 65%

https://i.gyazo.com/5c8b113f1d3caefd44fe932c6fb37b66.png

MasterYi doesn't fall off, spikes to 65%

https://i.gyazo.com/339a5cbe810aaa46f1e45cbc15c97ab7.png

Vayne do i need to comment?

that is the reality, yasuo trades early power spike for a worse late game than any other hyper carries And his power spike isn't even the best considering that vayne with IE+shiv can 90-0 a squishy, twitch with a zeal item+IE can removes an entire team from the map

i have one word to say to you: learn the game instead of posting endless posts

-gH~~

So what's your source here?

https://na.op.gg/champion/riven/statistics/top

https://na.op.gg/champion/yasuo/statistics/mid

Because according to op.gg at least Yasuo outscales Riven, for example.

Where's your data from?

Penns1 votes

Late game in 2k17 xd

Ralanr1 votes

Huh, would have figured Riven fell off.

Nahui1 votes

If win rates could tell the whole story, League would be a quick fix for Riot.

chipndip12 votes

"Other champs cost me more elo than this one but nerf this one anyway."

Nahui1 votes

This one doesn't cost me any ELO, doesn't change the fact that he's overloaded.

The Whamboozler1 votes

"Because other champions win more often, this one champion I like isn't a problem."

Oh that typical flawed logic. Hey man... I know I've assaulted like 12 people, but there are folks out there who've killed people, so me beating up old ladies at the mall isn't a problem. Yeah... that's the logic you're operating under.

Statistics are REALLY easy to skew and make say almost any point you want... An ability that flipped a coin every time you used it and either killed you or your enemy instantly would be even on paper. 50% success rate over time. Totally balanced! Except that would be a freakin' awful, poorly designed and frustrating ability to play the game with, wouldn't it?

Just like having a champion who gets more stats from his items than you for the first two items or so isn't much fun to play against. His kit by default kinda puts him ahead of you in gold even if you both spent 10 minutes farming without fighting at all. His kit requires you to stomp him into the ground to stay ahead of him... and gives him a bunch of tools to annoy and prevent that too with his windwall, manaless regenerating shield and spammy dash. And god help you if one of these times you try to shove him down he is able to turn around on you and get a kill. Now he's ahead and the snowball has truly begun.

Stop quoting winrates and listen to the problem. Yasuo's playstyle is obnoxious... and he forces his enemy into a playstyle that is ALSO obnoxious... while pretty brutally punishing them if they mess it up. The only reason his "winrate" isn't much, much higher is because he's difficult to use to his full potential, and because a lot of Yas players are so used to pulling ahead of people without really trying that they play really, REALLY cocky and dumb. Is there a graph for "how often this champion throws the game trying to 1v4?" Because I'm gonna guss Yas will be high on that one.

SP Dodgecity1 votes

Two points. When was the last time you saw a match go to 50+ min? I know it happens but the longest I've gone in a long while is 45min, so the number of games that reach that time are low. (As an off subject note, by 50 min everyone hates Yasuo and understands at that point that you just focus him and win)

Second point, Yasuo is broken in the sense that he can get 100% Crit with two single items and build tank after that. I've seen it and nothing is scarier than a 100% crit off tank yasuo. They're a lot more build options available for Yasuo because he saves on at least 1-2 items that he no longer has to buy for crit % and can now focus on sustain, off-tank builds, additional damage, or on-hit effects.

Lets not forget that oh-so-nice passive, and Wind wall, and the huge mobility, and the knock up, and the double crit passive. Yas is a POS champ to play against and is generally too strong.

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