Glaring and Obvious Aatrox Issues

AirKingNeo·Jun 27, 2018·18 votes·9,246 views

Health: 580 - 1940 Armor: 33 - 88.3

Passive Cooldown: 25 seconds Q Cooldown: 16 / 15 / 14 / 13 / 12 seconds W Cooldown: 18 / 17 / 16 / 15 /14 seconds

Quote, "The fuck is this?"

#1940 base health, ON A JUGGERNAUT?!?!?!?!?! (Note: I don't know much about level 1 HP stats, but I just know his HP per level is fucking garbage.)

His base health per level sucks, his armor per level sucks (unsure about base, but it seems bad for a juggernaut), his cooldowns are too high. When Darius' abilities are on cooldown, he can still stack his passive with autos at least, but Aatrox is just fucking useless.

47 Comments

BLIGHTBRINGERJun 27, 201813 votes

Apparently the reasoning behind it (can't recall who said it) is because he has a better way of sustaining than usual juggernauts...

Which is something I don't fully agree with because Darius Illaoi Nasus also sustain pretty well.

Kats PajamasJun 27, 20185 votes

I feel like it's 100% to avoid the stigma of releasing someone too OP for pro play, he has like 5 cc's-- but he legit can barely 1v3 3 people at 1 hit so. The base attack speed feels...underhanded too.

InfernapeJun 27, 20188 votes

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I feel like it's 100% to avoid the stigma of releasing someone too OP for pro play, he has like 5 cc's-- but he legit can barely 1v3 3 people at 1 hit so. The base attack speed feels...underhanded too.

His Q animation speed should scale with AS.

BLIGHTBRINGERJun 27, 20181 votes

Now here's a decent suggestion. I do think that his Q animation is too long, making it too easy to dodge.

InfernapeJun 27, 20181 votes

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Now here's a decent suggestion. I do think that his Q animation is too long, making it too easy to dodge.

And it wouldn't alienate old Aatrox mains that much because it would make buying items like BotRK more lucrative. So he could have the best of both worlds

IllabetheJun 27, 20181 votes

I just dominated a fed Darius with Pyke. His heal is only good if a lot of people get in it, and a lot of people stay in the axe radius, not the handle radius.

If you wanna destroy Darius, Just Hug him. (and have a item 3033 just in case)

Troll for TrumpJun 27, 20183 votes

How is this relevant

HolyJellyMateJun 28, 20181 votes

We dont give a shit about Darius

TheCodeisCupCakeJun 27, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Darkin Hybrid,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OPF8JmYJ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-06-27T20:07:16.843+0000)

Apparently the reasoning behind it (can't recall who said it) is because he has a better way of sustaining than usual juggernauts...

Which is something I don't fully agree with because also sustain pretty well.

Laughs in Garen

(Ok I know this isnt 100% accurate but still)

Tychusfindlay918Jun 28, 20181 votes

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Laughs in

(Ok I know this isnt 100% accurate but still)

garen actually has one of the worst sustains in the game of all the juggernauts because he has to be out of combat which is hard for a jgugernaut to do.

MrDrBuddJun 28, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Darkin Hybrid,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OPF8JmYJ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-06-27T20:07:16.843+0000)

Apparently the reasoning behind it (can't recall who said it) is because he has a better way of sustaining than usual juggernauts...

Which is something I don't fully agree with because also sustain pretty well.

Yes but also they use mana and Aatrox doesnt. Also Darius Illaoi both require champions to hit to sustain. Aatrox heals off minions as well as champions.

CaptainAntiHerozJun 28, 20181 votes

item 3812 and triumph

CaptainAntiHerozJun 28, 20181 votes

But he doesn't because unlike all those three he can't land the damn thing Darius has a big circle that he can move to better utilize Illaoi has the step up get slapped zone of "if you 5v1 me I'm killing all of you" Nasus has q and his w to help him his his q, and if he gets desperate h presses r then Q's you even more than he was already

Aatrox can't hit jack shit unless you have a support spoon feeding you cc so you can do decent damage

GayFluffyUnicornJun 28, 20181 votes

Riot just hates melees so they created another garbage juggernaut that can't carry that isn't reliable that basically cannot do shit besides winning the laning phase.

TyroneWatermelonJun 27, 20188 votes

-From an elegant wise gentleman to russian psychopath -From a skilled swordsman with banner wings to a classical buff devilman -From an autoattacker to a spell caster -From a Diver to a Juggernaut -also lore change

i waited years...for this?

ModAcademy KaynJun 27, 20185 votes

gentleman

Surreeeee

3TWarriorJun 27, 20184 votes

he actually was pretty much a gentleman. A combat obsessed, superiority complex one, but a gentleman

though I don't remember much else about him

ModAcademy KaynJun 27, 20183 votes

Kills a large portion of Tryndamere's village in his lore

But nah, he's a gentleman

3TWarriorJun 28, 20182 votes

hmmm, thought it was Lissandra who killed tryndamere's village, who also happened to be the ice witch that Trundle won the favor of

CaptainAntiHerozJun 28, 20181 votes

Balance in all things

3TWarriorJun 27, 20181 votes

i'd be more concerned with the digitized toy, walking, talking triangle that his update is or was XD

but it does really suck when they just randomly change the lore

RightClick McGeeJun 27, 20184 votes

Just wanna point out that Aatrox's base stats are worse than f'ing URGOT a ranged juggernaut with an execute meanwhile Aatrox is melee garbage

leakinbJun 28, 20184 votes

Sorry Mordekaiser only has 18xx at level 18

D357R0Y3RJun 28, 20182 votes

yea because he has a gamebreaking shield that has no downtime also his heal is like x5 of what aatrox heals

Pika FoxJun 28, 20183 votes

His health sucks because of his E and R. Its intentional.

AirKingNeoJun 28, 20182 votes

Darius's HP is good and yet he has his Q for healing.

Pika FoxJun 28, 20183 votes

Darius' heal is conditional and only on Q. Aatrox heals off all his damage and his ult revives him on death. Not a good comparison.

D357R0Y3RJun 27, 20182 votes

"Aiming to get an Aatrox hotfix buff out soon. Probably later today, possibly tomorrow. Not 100% yet, likely includes a bit of E range, E AA reset, some Q damage."

-meddler

3TWarriorJun 27, 20182 votes

to think so much of this could be solved if they had 2 separate beta servers...one for competitive and one for bugtesting so they could get rid of the excuse of player feedback not mattering XD

ModAcademy KaynJun 27, 20182 votes

We do, PBE, and Live.

D357R0Y3RJun 27, 20182 votes

they do have 2 servers one for pbe one for the playtest team

3TWarriorJun 27, 20182 votes

my question is: does his update still look like a walking, talking triangle? XD

Stew52Jun 28, 20182 votes

Mordekaiser is a Juggernaut and he only has 1856 hp and 88.75 armour, what's your point?

AirKingNeoJun 28, 20181 votes

Morde has a shield, like Shen, which is why they have low HP...

Stew52Jun 28, 20181 votes

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Morde has a shield, like Shen, which is why they have low HP...

Doesn't Aatrox have a passive that gives him like 30% vamp on all physical damage he deals? Basically the same thing but it goes directly to his hp instead of a shield.

Tychusfindlay918Jun 28, 20181 votes

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Doesn't Aatrox have a passive that gives him like 30% vamp on all physical damage he deals? Basically the same thing but it goes directly to his hp instead of a shield.

darius has sustain options, illaoi has sustain options, etc.

Mordekaiser has sustain AND his consistent shield.

Aatrox only has sustain, and a lot of it is tied to a clunky ass kit. I don't see why he needs to get mordekaisered on base stats.

Stew52Jun 28, 20181 votes

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darius has sustain options, illaoi has sustain options, etc.

Mordekaiser has sustain AND his consistent shield.

Aatrox only has sustain, and a lot of it is tied to a clunky ass kit. I don't see why he needs to get mordekaisered on base stats.

He also has mobility which a lot of Juggernaut lack, even though they are short they are still two dashes he can use.

Tychusfindlay918Jun 28, 20181 votes

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He also has mobility which a lot of Juggernaut lack, even though they are short they are still two dashes he can use.

urgot.

Stew52Jun 28, 20181 votes

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urgot.

One dash that is delayed and can be stopped by walking in front of it? Also Urgot doesn't have any real hard cc like Aatrox does.

Tychusfindlay918Jun 28, 20181 votes

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One dash that is delayed and can be stopped by walking in front of it? Also Urgot doesn't have any real hard cc like Aatrox does.

one dash that is certainly longer than aatrox's dash, also, he has a suppression which is the greatest hard CC in the game and a fling + stun attached to his E...

SooFr0styJun 28, 20181 votes

Is he a juggernaut? He seems to be a tanky fighter.

Besides that it's the life steal and the fact, with his revive has more pseudo health.

Risen29Jun 28, 20182 votes

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Is he a juggernaut? He seems to be a tanky fighter.

Besides that it's the life steal and the fact, with his revive has more pseudo health.

Yes, he is. Hes just a really weak juggernaut.

Hes not a diver. Hes immobile. Hes not a skirmisher, he doesnt scale with attack speed or have mobility. Hes not a tank, he has no cc or engage.

Pika FoxJun 28, 20181 votes

I mean, he dives as well as trynd, and a champ with a revive on R is usually really good at diving.

Risen29Jun 28, 20182 votes

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I mean, he dives as well as trynd, and a champ with a revive on R is usually really good at diving.

Trynd isn't a diver. He's a skirmisher.
What makes a champion a diver is not thier ability merely to survive a dive, but the tools to actually execute a dive and the burst to kill priority targets. Aatrox is immobile and has poor burst damage tied to a series of long casting animations. Divers tend to be better at sticking to thier targets after an engage as well. Aatrox is easily kited like most juggernauts.

Pika FoxJun 28, 20181 votes

Didnt really claim he wasnt a juggernaut, just that he is effective at diving, at least well enough. Hes actually pretty solid at staying on a target with Q and W if you land Q1.

Risen29Jun 28, 20181 votes

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Didnt really claim he wasnt a juggernaut, just that he is effective at diving, at least well enough. Hes actually pretty solid at staying on a target with Q and W if you land Q1.

Wrong. He has no engage ability to actually dive on a priority target, and no way to follow them.

You can not be a diver, by definition, without some kind of long range dash or sprint for getting to the enemy backline.

From the wiki _Divers are the more mobile portion of the Fighter class. _

Aatrox is not mobile. He has no dash or sprint. He is not a diver by any definition of the word.

That is one reason why he is a juggernaut. The immobile half of the fighter class.

ŚhunpoJun 28, 20181 votes

No Riot, turning every champion into Riven does not make the champion more interesting, neither does slapping on bonus effects from other champs and calling it a day.