I fucking love just being killed to death by high percent health damage auto attacks by Gnar. But you know what makes it even better? The fact I'm being perma kited. Nothing is more enjoyable than that except Kog'Maw having Mallet, Wit's End, Ninja Tabi, and a Lulu and still melting me in a few seconds.
Seriously, thank you riot for helping me enjoy League of Legends even more as a top laner!
CrazFight 32 votesI'm not really sure why frozen mallet is a thing still... glacial augment is a thing now. Frozen mallet should be changed into a new item (Maybe a fighter item)
Urgot x BDSM3 votesAugment has a cd though...
Barcid1 votesAugment isn't even particularly amazing. It offers no damage and no sustainability, so unless you're ahead the enemy will have an edge in dueling you.
There's legitimately no reason to take Augment on the vast majority of champions other than maybe one or two and even then it's questionable.
Gear5Luffy3 votesthats the point not everyone should be good at using it
Barcid1 votesAnd my point is it's not outstanding on anyone, either. You would practically always just use something like press the attack over it.
Doozku1 votesIt's really good on supports like Kench or Ivern who really need to land their hard cc skillshot. It's very easy to land with the slow.
It Hertz When IP2 votesKench is melee. If you're in melee range of a target and you STILL can't land Q, I don't think there's any help for you.
Also, both STILL work better with Guardian.
My Waifu Vanilla2 votesOnly two champions in the entire game take it SOMETIMES to my knowledge. Tahm Kench takes it if he doesn't want to take Guardian and wants the extra stickiness (I still think its objectively worse than Guardian but to each their own). The only other champion that takes it is Aurelion Sol and that's because EVERY other rune is objectively worse on him and he only bothers proccing the slow effect with his first item GLP.
It Hertz When IP1 votesI think that's more an issue with ASol than with the runes.
Barcid1 votesI dunno. A.Sol had no issues with old runes and did very well with them. Pretty sure it's a blatant oversight from Riot considering we have like 6 different bursty damage runes for every iteration of burst needed while having literally no DoT or otherwise.
Because... logic, I guess.
It Hertz When IP1 votesWhat WOULD be a good hypothetical rune for him? I'm genuinely curious, because right now I haven't the foggiest clue what exactly Aurelion Sol's purpose is.
Barcid1 votesHe used to take DFT all the time because of his sustained damage, so he could keep proc'ing it. Currently there's no good alternative to DFT. So... DFT. Would be a good hypothetical - actually completely real - rune for him, and for any champion from before.
Like, why do we need Aery and Comet when Comet just damages in an area and Aery just does damage and shields a bit more? We already have other shit for powering up shields, so there's no reason for Aery to even exist other than to have an alternative for pokers, even though comet is just as popular as a poking rune.
Replace one of them with a DFT-esque rune. Problem solved. It's quite literally the easiest thing ever to think of and yet Riot won't do it because reverting blatantly stupid shit is one of Riot's biggest weak points. Otherwise Duskblade would be fucking gone.
Velzard of Koz14 votesYeah, the point may be "We now have more balanced alternative in form of a Rune".
rework trundle18 votesIn all seriousness Mallet is the summum of non counterplay. Point and click 30% slow every ~0.8 second. I'd be sold on Gnar requiring skill to play if he didn't hide behind such an unskilled item.
Barcid8 votes
The face of no counterplay.
Spank the Fox9 votesGotta hamfist an anti-ADC circlejerk somewhere, I suppose.
Thefrostyviking2 votesExcept, you know, armor.
Randuin+ninja tabi+stoneplate+warmog and a tank like Seju won't feel a thing from those anytime soon.
Terozu4 votes
Haha, yes, yes you will.
Thefrostyviking2 votesOnly ADC that can do anything about Seju with that build is Vayne x)
And Vayne does it pretty much regardless of build as long as there is enough attackspeed, because she is bullshit.
Or well, kog would also work, but he is the most anti tank/health specialized champ in the game except Brand or mordekaiser if that Liandry buff goes through x)
Terozu2 votesOr Gnar, or Twitch, or Jinx, or Lucian, or Xayah, or Caitlynn.
Of course id switch rfc or statik for essence reaver.
hoganftw15 votesMake frozen mallet exclusive to melee
General Esdeath 7 votesNo that would be stupid, because as we all know, no item will ever be limited to melee only :^)
4th3t0s3 votes.......
Chawoora2 votes
General Esdeath 10 votesthe joke
your hairline
Mhihnj11 voteskilled to death
??
Samflash32 votes[sg-jinx]
General Esdeath 4 voteskilled in game to a real life death?
Terozu1 votesTHAT LINE IS BETTER IN CONTEXT!!!!! [sg-ahri-1]
It Hertz When IP1 votesIDK, out of context (I have no idea what this reference is from) it's still pretty funny.
Terozu1 votesI mean its not funny in context.
It Hertz When IP1 votesWhat IS the context? I.E. which show is that from?
Terozu1 votesIts from Fate/Stay Night. It refers to Shirou showing a kind of grudge against himself, he's been killed multiple times but due to a combination of his own regeneration powers and his girlfriends magic he hasn't actually died. The context of the scene has him deciding to be more active and try to actually get stronger, so people won't have to save his life. He's been killed but he hasn't died, he feels guilty about this, people cite it as overly redundant, but that was the whole point, he was stating the obvious but with himself as an exception. It's kind of like the laughing scene from FFX in terms of meme status though.
rtbf2216514121 votes??
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Sohleks9 votesDelete frozen mallet.
It's boring that it's a required [for elo] buy on Gnar. It just makes engagements too easy and 1 dimensional.
0DESTROYERZ02 votesidk man i do quite well withought it, i may only be gold but still
Sohleks1 votesI've had good games with many Gnar builds imaginable but I feel like in highly competitive matches mallet is a must buy. It allows you to tango with most melee champion with ease regardless of gold and provides so much picking and peeling power. The item I usually omit is black cleaver because in comparison mallet has more HP. I enjoy an attack speed item on Gnar instead of cleaver.
I feel like Gnar would be a lot more balance-able and funner on both ends if frozen mallet wasn't a thing.
I'm just more interested in letting non mallet builds shine with faster paced kiting and stuff. But I also secretly don't want certain champions to use it against me. ;o
I would be fine if they did just nerf the ranged slow. I don't know why they are not now. Even at 15% slow it would still enough for kiting. Maybe it's cause the nerf wouldn't be totally effective. However green speed shoes would pretty much nullify it. That's just fair imo.
Maybe the green speed shoes should reduce slows by a flat % amount instead of a true %. May end up nerfing their use against strong slows tho.
Tin of sardines2 votesI also don't like frozen mallet. it kill skill expression and make a poor melee player have a really bad day. And i know for a fact that mini Gnar kit is more that enough to make a melee champion player have a bad day.
I think removing the permanslow is best for everybody.
i would really like is high damage builds where more viable on him, i really like 
and 
but since this season crazy "you need a tank" and the fact everybody does lots of damage, i think building raw damage is not a good option.
but i would really love feel like this with gnar (i played nfs Pro street with a keyboard, so...):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_Xt2HiKyy4
still, fleet foot work with black cleaver is already good enough.
P.S.: or maybe make that full damage build or Ap attack speed and go like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goMWZ4zhwRc
Milton Fletcher8 votesPhew , for a second there I was worried riot would want to ease fighters lives. Good thing they fixed that Jesus would have been an upset
Now I can get kited forever by a gnar and kogmaw YEEHAW!
Hey h0w r ya2 votesYou described the exact reason they reverted it.
Nerfing an item because a champion abuses it is bad gameplay design. Nerfing the champion so they can't abuse the item is good gameplay design.
Death by Glamour34 votesMust be terrible game design when they revert the change and buff the champ...
General Esdeath 12 votes"because a champ"
are you implying it's one champ?
Auz the Ripper1 votesMost of those are pretty cancerous when strong.
General Esdeath 1 votesIndeed, but for a time or more, they actually NEEDED the mallet to work
Tin of sardines1 votesyour forgot:
just look the item on
http://www.lolking.net/
and as main gnar... i freaking hate the fact riot let's this item to be around. if is broken on gnar, you can safely assume that has design problems.
kile1471 votesBoth would probably take IBG if they weren't manaless.
I don't get why people hate on FM for a perma-slow when IBG essentially has the exact same thing. The only champs who use FM are ones that can't use the mana from IBG, or ones that are so auto attack oriented that using an ability to proc spellblade is a bad idea.
The other design "problem" is that Frozen Mallet also has the niche of being the second highest health item in the game, and unlike warmongs doesn't have a punishment for building on squishy champs. Really if they replaced the passive of FM with something else people would still likely take it because they have nerfed the health of almost every other item in the game.
Tin of sardines1 votesI really don't like league of slows. especially when I play one the highest in combat speed champions. serious 500 IGU/S is crazy.
that said, those slows make hitting skill shots more easy, a loot more.
so:
Rylai's: Unique – Icy: Damaging abilities and pet attacks Slow icon slow affected units by 20% for 1 second.
Iceborn Gauntlet: Unique – Spellblade: After using an ability, your next basic attack within 10 seconds deals (100% base AD) on-hit bonus damage (1.5 second cooldown). Unique – Icy Zone: Triggering Spellblade also deals (100% base AD) physical damage to enemies surrounding the target and creates a icy zone for 2 seconds, which Slow icon slows enemies within by 30%. The zone has a radius of 180 (+ 55% bonus armor) units.
Frozen mallet: Unique – Icy: Basic attacks (on-hit) apply a Slow icon 40% slow to your target for 1.5 seconds, refreshing with every hit. Limitations On Ranged role ranged champions, applies a Slow icon 30% slow instead.
the money efficiency: frozen mallet: 94.09% Rylai's: 93.83% Iceborn gauntlet: 93.51%
but that is not the only "bad design" in terms of items. also, people may hate frozen mallet more because you only need: 0,667 attack speed to apply permanslow. while Iceborn need you to spam a ability every 2 seconds (the fact the slow is a zone can make it worse or better) and rylai's need you to deal damage with a ability every 1 second.
and making a need passive will have people still taking the item, good point, but at least the aren't making you retreat or advance 20% to 40% slower.
(fun fact, Yasuo Q applies on hit, so he applies 40% slow with his tornado)
P.S.: i just think that Gnar is fun as he is, and he doesn't need frozen mallet to destroy people. and things that make a pvp game more easy... you can say that is bad design.
