Lulu may as well just be a mage only

Kanzaki Ranko·Aug 29, 2015·20 votes·1,389 views

cuz no one fucking plays her support

39 Comments

67chromeAug 29, 20156 votes

Lulu may as well just be a mage only

Support doesn't just mean a lane-position, as an archetype it's a mind over might, high-utility class. And Lulu's level of interesting effects that aren't designed simply to erase her foes indicates she is very much in the support archetype.

I mean - just because Quinn goes top-lane it doesn't suddenly make her a fighter. Because Zed goes mid-lane it doesn't make him a mage. Because Fiddlesticks goes jungle it doesn't make him a tank.

TheLittlestLuluAug 29, 20155 votes

ahem

Kanzaki RankoAug 29, 20151 votes

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ahem

you don't count

SalidfingersAug 29, 20155 votes

Her Kit is amazing for support, but her ratios are so bad in duo lane.

Kanzaki RankoAug 29, 20152 votes

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Her Kit is amazing for support, but her ratios are so bad in duo lane.

Buffing her ratios would just make her more cancerous in mid/top.

Honestly I have no problem dealing with her and I think she's just bad in solo lanes, but my issue is that it's really boring to watch. In LCS everytime I see her picked mid/top she just loses.

OrangesilkAug 29, 20151 votes

She's picked for consistency, she's not there for winning lane, but because whether she wins or loses, her kit offers so much utility, she is never dead weight on her team.

NekusenAug 29, 20151 votes

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Her Kit is amazing for support, but her ratios are so bad in duo lane.

you can build her tanky or AD. tank-sup lulu with BoTRK works well.

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NekusenAug 29, 20151 votes

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Her Kit is amazing for support, but her ratios are so bad in duo lane.

that is exactly why she is better as a support, you don't lose much if you build utility items and/or tank items on her

Sakura MirageAug 29, 20154 votes

She will eventually get nerfed just like every "support" that goes solo "cough" sona Janna "cough"

Malix FarwinAug 29, 20159 votes

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She will eventually get nerfed just like every "support" that goes solo "cough" sona Janna "cough"

she already got nerfed to the point where her solo lane is better then her support lane which basically is bad compared to other supports. i mean if you really like player her like i do sometimes then she can do the job just not better then virtually any other supports or none supports.

Curling VeigarAug 29, 20151 votes

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she already got nerfed to the point where her solo lane is better then her support lane which basically is bad compared to other supports. i mean if you really like player her like i do sometimes then she can do the job just not better then virtually any other supports or none supports.

wasn't she balanced around the bot lane with those changes?

TheLittlestLuluAug 29, 20158 votes

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wasn't she balanced around the bot lane with those changes?

Nerfing her base MS buff on her whimsy instead of just nerfing the AP ratio says otherwise.

Curling VeigarAug 29, 20152 votes

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Nerfing her base MS buff on her whimsy instead of just nerfing the AP ratio says otherwise.

so would the logical thing to do be gut ap ratios and increase base values?

TheLittlestLuluAug 29, 20154 votes

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so would the logical thing to do be gut ap ratios and increase base values?

The logical thing would have been to remove the whimsy AP ratio and give it back it's 35% ms buff.

All it does is nerf support Lulus that don't build AP while solo lane AP Lulus can get absolutely insane numbers on their whimsy like 90% ms on whoever they want.

Malix FarwinAug 29, 20152 votes

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so would the logical thing to do be gut ap ratios and increase base values?

would bebetter if it had no scaling and base increases.

The Yetii RiderAug 29, 20151 votes

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so would the logical thing to do be gut ap ratios and increase base values?

Yes. And Riot should do that for all the AP supports that they ruined in season 3 by gutting their bases and increasing their ratios.

Supports are supposed to have a late game fantasy now, but since their high utility peel works well in solo lanes they just go there to farm up and it's unwinnable for standard laners.

So Riot guts Sona, Soraka, Lulu, Karma, Zyra, Zilean and every other AP support not named Morgana or Annie, because they screwed up the scaling and weakened a squishy duo laner's early game to the point where the AP supports can't afford all the expensive AP items for their scalings.

And AP utility items like Banner of Command and Ardent Censer are kept abysmally weak so that AP mids don't use them, but low AP items combined with low AP ratios means useless.

Athenes LuluAug 29, 20154 votes

She can't mash a button and give her ADC a free kill nor can she heal.

That's what sheeps want nowadays anyways. Why would they want a support that doesn't do that?

EDIT: Looks like people here can't take jokes or sarcasm of any kind.

Malix FarwinAug 29, 20151 votes

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She can't mash a button and give her ADC a free kill nor can she heal.

That's what sheeps want nowadays anyways. Why would they want a support that doesn't do that?

Here is the problem and what you do not understand. NOONE is saying she cant support, its just that every other support is better and has more of an appeal then she does. Her solo lane is just plain better, hell i tried adc lulu one game and felt much more better then i was as a support and that is a problem IF you want to classify her as a support. If you want to classify her as a support that is.

Athenes LuluAug 29, 20151 votes

I'm aware, actually. But you gotta remember that every meta support can click a button for a free kill.

Was trying to make a joke on how I'm not a support because I can't "click a button for a free kill". Oh come on now.

OrangesilkAug 29, 20153 votes

They pushed her to the solo lanes when they increased her mana costs beyond what's reasonable. It's possible to keep up with these costs when you're last hitting with a Dorans, rushing mana regen items and you have to provide shield sustain only for yourself. Being forced to sustain two people on a limited income with no right to rush mana regen makes her terrible in the botlane.

BakedLotionAug 29, 20152 votes

Why don't they just give her something on her Q like If this hit an enemy, it marks them for the duration of the stun (or more) and the next ally basic attack or ability will proc it for damage.

remove some of the base damage on her Q, but make the proc damage high enough so it will be better than her current Q damage combined

ZephyrDrakeAug 29, 20152 votes

http://champion.gg/champion/Lulu

ummm what? most people play her support

IcyPepperAug 29, 20152 votes

I prefer her as a support, to be honest. Alongside Soraka, she's one of my main supports.

LuggAug 29, 20152 votes

Lulu is great support. She has good poke, hard CC, shield, MS buff, and her ult can save either herself or the ADC. What's not to like?

JezboAug 29, 20152 votes

Because Lulu just isn't as ezlife as the usual tank/engage supports (THRESH BLITZ FUCKING LEONA/ALISTAR)

FantasySniperAug 29, 20151 votes

She's a great counter-niche pick, but even after her Mp5 buff, her mid-lane is still her best role.

1000angrybeesAug 29, 20151 votes

when a support gets nerfed so much that they're better off in a solo lane, that's when you know there's a problem.

I win probably 55% of my games as mid sona while I hardly play support sona anymore because of how irritating it is.

Curling VeigarAug 29, 20151 votes

It got indirectly buffed this patch.

Krys StarAug 29, 20151 votes

I only play her support. Not just because I suck at solo lanes with her, but I main support anyway. She's not an amazing support since Riot's changes to her always favor her solo lanes more than support. But she still gets the job done decently.

JedenVojakAug 29, 20151 votes

Try building her mostly tank. She's pretty good top lane.

Valderis VandalaAug 29, 20151 votes

I would, if the IP pricing wasn't insane in this game.

Come on Riot, do something about these stupid prices!!

Binxy PrimeAug 29, 20151 votes

I play her as a support in high plat and I think shes really strong still. There are probably better poke supports but she has a lot of utility and she feels much safer than a lot of other supports mid and late game.

I think she offers a lot of utility that no one else does. She enables your team to build a bit on the squishy side, she helps champs like Jinx and Vayne do even crazier damage in teamfights with her shield, she can peel assassins better than almost any support, and between using her w to speed up an ADC and using her ult and q to slow down a bruiser she can stop an adc from being dove by a bruiser line really well also.

I don't think any of the other "standard supports" can offer that kind of utility outside of Nami who is much more difficult to play since her CC isn't as reliable.

She is also really strong vs vayne, early levels you can auto harass vayne really hard, and once vayne is 6 you can e her to give vision before she ults so she cant avoid damage in skirmishes by becoming invis.

The Yetii RiderAug 29, 20151 votes

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I play her as a support in high plat and I think shes really strong still. There are probably better poke supports but she has a lot of utility and she feels much safer than a lot of other supports mid and late game.

I think she offers a lot of utility that no one else does. She enables your team to build a bit on the squishy side, she helps champs like Jinx and Vayne do even crazier damage in teamfights with her shield, she can peel assassins better than almost any support, and between using her w to speed up an ADC and using her ult and q to slow down a bruiser she can stop an adc from being dove by a bruiser line really well also.

I don't think any of the other "standard supports" can offer that kind of utility outside of Nami who is much more difficult to play since her CC isn't as reliable.

She is also really strong vs vayne, early levels you can auto harass vayne really hard, and once vayne is 6 you can e her to give vision before she ults so she cant avoid damage in skirmishes by becoming invis.

Janna is better than Lulu at almost everything you named, which is why she has such a high pick/win rate right now.

She's also even safer than Lulu, gives MS to her whole team instead of one person, and peels even harder.

JedenVojakAug 29, 20151 votes

I agree, Lulu needs buffs, they should probably allow her help pix to work on minions again.

PæanAug 29, 20151 votes

i play her support half the time i support. One of my highest winrates in soloQ too

LankPantsAug 29, 20151 votes

Lulu has the exact same problem as Sona and Soraka as a support in the current meta.

Her hard lock-down is trash which means she can't be played against the popular tank supports.

PokladnicaZlaAug 29, 20151 votes

They should just change her E when cast on enemies and shit some of that damage to Q. Now our beloved Suppordle has more utility and less damage for solo lane.

Maybe E could blind,reveal and reduce the enemies sight radius?Just a thought

PrimadonnaAug 30, 20151 votes

Um...

NekusenAug 30, 20151 votes

lulu just takes more skill at duo lanes because you have your spells doing different things to allies/enemies so you have to be able to recognize whats going on in battle-balls and target correctly