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InHaruhiWeTrust46 votesyou vs 
interaction
hits R
you die
interaction over
you vs
interaction
uses W,E,R
you cross your arms and watch yourself die
interaction over
you vs 
interaction
uses E to try and hit you
you try to dodge E
you both try to hit and dodge each others abilities until someone wins
interaction over
is not interactive enough
are fine
-rito logic
[zombie-brand-clap]
Kanzaki Ranko8 votesyou vs
you vs
you vs
the interaction for veigar is your call; you're suppose to stop him from farming
as for malz he's getting reworked lol
InHaruhiWeTrust9 votes"the interaction for veigar is your call" how? "you're suppose to stop him from farming" [slayer-jinx-unamused]
Kanzaki Ranko11 votes"the interaction for veigar is your call" how? "you're suppose to stop him from farming" [slayer-jinx-unamused]
well what else are you suppose to do? let him farm?
InHaruhiWeTrust42 votesyou're supposed to stop EVERYONE from farming! i cant believe people still give this out as "advice". it's like like saying "if your having a problem with "insert champion here", then you should just kill them" well thanks!! that's such great advice. I can't believe i never thought of that. so if i just do THE SAME THING YOU TRY TO DO VS LITERALLY EVERY OTHER CHAMP IN THE GAME i will be fine? thanks! [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]
Stand Alone Wolf9 votesYou could say the one major exception to this would be 
Absolutely do not let him farm stacks.
Otherwise all you hear is: "omg you let him get 400 stacks at 8 min?"
InHaruhiWeTrust5 voteshe ins't an exception it's just that you wanna try MUCH harder than with any other champ. to the point where you sacrifice your own CS to stop him. nasus Q passive is honestly one of the most toxic things in this game, because not only does HE not play league of legends but he also forces YOU to stop playing league of legends. what i mean by that is you pretty much cut yourself out of the game. you can't help teammates, you can't take objectives, and you can hardly even farm sometimes because you went from playing "insert champ" top lane to "the nasus baby sitter" the moment the enemy picked nasus. you must go wherever nasus goes because if you don't he will scale into an unstoppable monster than will pretty much auto win the game. obviously i'm exaggerating a bit, but my overall point still stands. i can't tell you how many games i've lost, not because my top lane didn't know what they supposed to do(baby sit nasus all game), but because they just wanted to play the damn game and i really can't blame them. a big reason i never became a top main was because i ran into so many nasus players pre ranked and i hated every game i got stuck top vs him. omg idk why i ranted so much about this since you probs already knew all this XD
kaltenashes1 votesits a hard match, if you can get shen with tp then you have mobility to help your team and return lane
you can have your jungler to help early on just to have you dominating the lane
if you're dominating the lane, you can freeze lane close to your turret and contest every single cs that he tries to take
and sadly you need to baby sit nasus =/
Melledoneus1 votesYou don't need your jungler to dominate early ge Nasus as Shen.
BIAKaboose1 votesI mean I see a Nasus and I just pick Olaf top with GotU and go full ham for the first 10 minutes until he's too scared to walk out to CS for the rest of the game, and wasting all his mana to wither you when you just look at him funny.
Alternatively Darius craps on his day, bait out wither and then just stand in the creep wave, if he tries to touch it drag him in and drop 3-4 bleed stacks on him if he backs off, if not, kill him, you're Darius.
Skias1 votesI mean I see a Nasus and I just pick Olaf top with GotU and go full ham for the first 10 minutes until he's too scared to walk out to CS for the rest of the game, and wasting all his mana to wither you when you just look at him funny.
Alternatively Darius craps on his day, bait out wither and then just stand in the creep wave, if he tries to touch it drag him in and drop 3-4 bleed stacks on him if he backs off, if not, kill him, you're Darius.
Problem with Nasus, if you dont end the game, he will still end you lol.
BIAKaboose1 votesWell I mean that's true, but the same goes for Sion thanks to Titanic (and previously Atma's, may it rest in peace). Also Veigar, 4K AP on Veigar makes you like, 2 hit towers lol
Skias1 votesWell I mean that's true, but the same goes for Sion thanks to Titanic (and previously Atma's, may it rest in peace). Also Veigar, 4K AP on Veigar makes you like, 2 hit towers lol
Giving AP Carries bonus damage on auto attacks against towers was the most retarded decision. I thought that was the point of ADCs? Then I also hear ADCs are supposed to shred tanks. Which is it? They need to decide if marksmen or ap mages are the tower takers and define the role. Because right now, everyone rips towers. ADCs are only being picked because they have the best kits and itemization, not because they take towers.
BIAKaboose1 votesApparently ADCs are anti towers and tanks, mages are anti ADC and anti assassin, Assassins are anti everything but tanks, and everything is also anti tower because towers are now made of wax paper and literally everything kills them, including anything beyond 10 minions.
Oh, and ADCs are also pretty anti everything because of itemization at the moment. And that kids, is called "balance".
Lauchmelder1 votes400 stacks at 8 minutes... Don't give Riot ideas man. They might consider making his Q a global AoE and every enemy minion killed now applies to his stacks now.
Do NOT give Riot ideas...
Stand Alone Wolf1 votesDoesn't his q gain stacks from surrounding minions within his q strike area after the purchase of 
?
A Tall Joke1 votesFor better or for worse*, it does not.
*Worse for me but better for balance
Hard Penetrator7 votesNOt really, ppl don't say. Hey, you should stop this Zed from farming as Veigar. I don't know if you get it but some champions are better at lane control than others, and Veigar is one of the weakest early game mages in the game. You can push him to the tower without any interaction and look at him struggle to get last hits on dying minions. And after he use his Q, his early game dmg output is basically nonexistent. If you let Veigar free farm early game you are a potato.
Gnawr xd1 votesWell, I mean, this and that are a little bit different. It's like the Apples and Oranges argument. Of course, your are supposed to stop all champions from gaining advantage over you, but there are specifics, for example Veigar and Nasus need stacks, so you zone them extra hard, Assassins require kills to snowball, so play extra safe or shut them down from kills, it's not really like "hey, make sure your laner isn't dealing damage," but more like "hey, do this specific thing won't let that the champion do what it needs to operate." You see what I'm saying?
Snowplosion1 votesStopping champions like Veigar and Nasus from farming is much more effective than going ham while they just sit their and take it and keep farming. Is this just my opinion?
TeCoolMage1 votesDon't stop LeBlanc or Zed from farming. Let them get the CS they want but harass a bit in the process. Csing = not focusing on bursting you down
With Nasus and Veigar, don't passively stop them from farming by harassing, you punish them for taking CS actively. It is their weak point, when their Qs are on cooldown. They don't have burst while they're in farming mode, they only have it afterwards.
With other champs like Ahri and Viktor, you harass them when they use their abilities, don't focus on stopping them from farming, just be aware of their cooldowns and trade while ignoring their CS and focusing on not missing your own while you trade.
TeCoolMage3 votesOk so Veigar manages to 1 shot you without landing anything else, or his stuns, after you build mejai's, 3 RoA, Seraph's, and rabadons in a brolane mid.
Yes, definitely no interaction, I can't see how you could possibly stop yourself from using that build or letting Veigar farm.
I couldn't even 1 shot when I told Ryze that we were both late game hyper carries and asked for a 20 minute brolane. I had to land my E, Q and W despite playing all my strengths to their maximum effect. (he had no tank items)
With Malzahar, stay out of E range, wait for him to W, wait for him to Q, dodge, and boom he's useless for 10 seconds unless he gets a gank. Unless you've been standing under his tower to lower your health to half, his ult won't do anything worth while you're at full health.
Viktor, I think his interactivity in lane is fine, but you can't shut him down with by taking advantage of cooldowns as his damage is all dumped into his E - Q while his stun can be saved purely for peel without sacrificing any of his DPS. You can't take him down until he goes OOM, as he has more than enough range to give him time for cooldowns.
InHaruhiWeTrust2 votesi have no clue what you're trying to say with that first veigar scenario. so you will need to clarify what your point was.
obviously you stay out of range of his E when he puts it on minions otherwise you can't do much about him putting it directly on you for the most part unless he is really stupid about it(or you have a champ with a enough range). malz players rarely use W unless they are pushing hard so they can back/roam or they are about to kill you(unless they are stupid). dodging Q yes, it's straight forward pre 6. after 6 is totally different. you can't possible stay out of his range forever(unless your champ has enough range and/or mana) or he will win simply by you never getting a single CS. you can't doege his E obviously and after 6 you can't dodge his Q or W if he ults you. after lvl 6 unless you are 100% HP(also depending on champ) if he E-W-Q-ULT + 
you are not going to survive and you have no way to save yourself after you are ulted. not to mention he also has 
and a jg of his own. the only counter play to malz is
which is INCREDIBLY effective at counting him. it counters him more than any item counters any other champ in the game, but this is because without Qss the lane would be almost 100% unwinnable 1v1.
TeCoolMage1 votesPeople are ridiculous in assuming that Veigar always 1 shots with R without noticing how they go full Yolo without any MR, while letting Veigar farm with Q without being shoved into tower or harassed
Oh god any Malzahar player who directly Es an enemy at pre 6 sucks really hard. That's like 100 mana gone for mediocre (It's like a power cord sona Q except delayed and with a big cooldown...) point and click damage, when all you have is 350-500 mana. Dodge Qs, and when they place down W and you're low, that's a huge sign saying "FLASH/CC/DASH NOW I'M ABOUT TO ULT" He's as annoying as an assassin that can't burst you from full health, minus the mobility. Just don't let him catch you with a Q below half health.
You can't dodge his Q or W if he ults you.
Unless you can use abilities AFTER ulting, this is never the case.
The only people who can't beat him are champs with no reliable channel interrupting CC or mobility/escape, and can be reached within ult range easily. (probs annie or something)
InHaruhiWeTrust2 votes"Unless you can use abilities AFTER ulting, this is never the case." have you played malz before? you cast Q then instantly cast ult= they cannot dodge the Q
wakefire1 votesClearly, you've never played 
into .
InHaruhiWeTrust1 voteswhos ? is he a new champ?
Serika Zero4 votesI main Malzahar. The thing is you can counter play him in various ways.
a) Malzahar pushes wave constantly, always in your face, he will use his abilities on the wave hence you can attack him without taking much damage back. Also, he makes himself a gank target with that. This style is very oppressive as Malzahar, but also very very risky. And I highly do not recommend it as you need your enemy to be quite bad, unable to capitalize on your over aggression (good trade back or gank or both).
b) Malzahar plays safe. In this case, Malzahar stays mostly behind his minion lines, usually AA-ing minions to get them low enough and then have his E jump from target to target. When he gets his passive up, he goes aggro and tries to E you. This is pretty much the general Malzahar playstyle that you will face. Because of this, his laning is very predictable and its easy to "avoid" his E passive combo by simply moving out of range for a few seconds. Again, if that Malzahar REALLY wants to E you, he will have to overextend, making him an easy gank target. Since most of us know this, we prefer to not over extend as Malzahar has no escapes other than flash.
c) Level 6+ If my enemy was smart enough to buy some MR:
builds into 
for Mana using mages (like Lux, Lulu, Anivia)
builds into 
for sustain mages (like Swain, Akali)
builds into 
for AD heroes (like Zed, Corki)
builds into 
for AP assassins (like Ahri, LeBlank)
Do note, its not necessary to finish the item right away. You just need the MR from its component. Later into the game, you can finish the item.
I can no longer 100-0 you with QWER+ignite
And as such, out entire lane interaction post 6 will be: You avoiding staying near dying minions to not get E tagged. And maybe trying to poke me down. Going back and forth during the few times I'm going aggro.
weeaboomer44 votes
Kanzaki Ranko11 votes[{quoted}](name=Tobi Only Sways,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QFYnQcOO,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2016-02-28T23:54:50.638+0000)
well, she's interactive, but in the "oppressive lane bully" way that you can't really do anything about? Not a good thing though...
Ariel the Cruel2 votes
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blfUvZ8Ybu19 votes70% pick rate and 60% ban rate for LCS.But Lulu immone from nerfs.
Riot logic.
Sadistic Veigar6 votes[{quoted}](name=Akatsuki Deidara,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QFYnQcOO,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-02-28T23:21:24.018+0000)
70% pick rate and 60% ban rate for LCS.But Lulu immone from nerfs.
Riot logic.
wasn't azir nerfed for his impact on pro play anyways?
Creamy Eevee16 voteslulu is interactive... atleast when I'm the lulu
<---- lost 90%of lulu games
La Barbotte8 votesi hate facing lulu so much, nothing you can do but farm and look for roams cause shes sitting in turret wavecearing with Q and no way you outrade her
Rikari8 votes
Interact. I fking dare you.
1 800 MID LANE2 votes
At least 3 of those aren't that bad anymore. >_>
3TWarrior2 votesteemo, for instance, got heavily nerfed by all the ap changes
KarKzz2 votesThe worst part is that you missed some.
TeCoolMage1 votesNasus's interaction is extremely feast or famine. Kite, or die.
Warwick and Cassiopeia are broken for completely different reasons. Beating Cassiopeia is all about dodge dodge dodge deny farm burst, but she has her E and extreme AP problems, while WW has his R and has to rely completely on his laner's ability to deal a ton of damage in the duration. 1v1, teamfights, or with low damage allies, he has a ton of space for being outplayed and he generally sucks as a jungler for only having his R and doing nothing else.
ofart7 votesI think the Viktor nerf was stupid and undeserved but Lulu isn't really less interactive. She tends to have shorter ranges and poorer waveclear.
Voluug134 votesDid you miss the load of Lulu nerfs when she was first used in mid/top?
Currently she is only good as a safe pick and counterpick to lane bully assassins.
Yes she is used in used a lot of LCS buw that is specifically because of he fact she is a counter to the most used strategies and champions. Like Janna, neither are inherently OP and only pose a problem when you are careless and they counterpick you.
Kanzaki Ranko13 votesDid you miss the load of Lulu nerfs when she was first used in mid/top?
Currently she is only good as a safe pick and counterpick to lane bully assassins.
"counterpick" you say? then why is she literally always fp'd the moment she's open in literally every pro game?
Voluug135 votesBecause picking her leads to a situation where Lulu can naturally inhibit assassin midlaners, thus giving her team an edge of they want to pick something threatened by assassins/heavy divers.
Plus she is a generalistic pick, she can go top/mid/supp depending on the situation and match-up, but she isnt really awesome at none and cant perform at the level other champions in those roles can.
Skias1 votesDid you miss the load of Lulu nerfs when she was first used in mid/top?
Currently she is only good as a safe pick and counterpick to lane bully assassins.
Yes she is used in used a lot of LCS buw that is specifically because of he fact she is a counter to the most used strategies and champions. Like Janna, neither are inherently OP and only pose a problem when you are careless and they counterpick you.
Certain champs lulu is worthless against. Ive taken Nasus against her and ignored her until I have enough stacks to two shot her.
WadeWilson13374 votes
Photos of Ghosts3 votesPlay her.
blfUvZ8Ybu2 votesAlso Gp, Ryze took nerfs.ı forgot this champions.But Lulu? Riot?
Kanzaki Ranko6 votes[{quoted}](name=Akatsuki Deidara,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QFYnQcOO,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2016-02-28T23:31:38.120+0000)
Also Gp, Ryze took nerfs.ı forgot this champions.But Lulu? Riot?
gangplank and ryze have been soloq terrors for some time, ryze got a GIGANTIC nerf in 6.3 and gangplank has been getting chipped every few patches pretty much since his rework.
3TWarrior1 votesall he really needed was an update...not a complete rework...they ruined his theme and made him cancer to lane against unless you're someone like aatrox, mundo or etc who can all-in without fear
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