PSA: Never surrender when you have late game champs on your team.

Electro522··5 votes·672 views

This means, if you have any of these champions on your team...

Akali Anivia AnnieCassiopeia Chogath DrMundo Draven Ezreal Jax Jinx Kassadin Katarina Kayle KogMaw MasterYi Nasus Ryze Tristana Tryndamere Twitch Udyr Vayne Veigar Viktor XinZhao

DON'T SURRENDER

Chances are quite high that these guys will outscale your opponents by leaps and bounds. Even if the enemy is ahead by a fair amount, if you can hold on until about 30 to 40 minutes when these guys start coming online, you'll be able to easily take fights and win.

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PermabannedGaren2 votes

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This means, if you have any of these champions on your team...

Akali Anivia AnnieCassiopeia Chogath DrMundo Draven Ezreal Jax Jinx Kassadin Katarina Kayle KogMaw MasterYi Nasus Ryze Tristana Tryndamere Twitch Udyr Vayne Veigar Viktor XinZhao

DON'T SURRENDER

Chances are quite high that these guys will outscale your opponents by leaps and bounds. Even if the enemy is ahead by a fair amount, if you can hold on until about 30 to 40 minutes when these guys start coming online, you'll be able to easily take fights and win.

All right, so I have to correct some misconceptions you have.

Akali Annie Chogath DrMundo Draven Ezreal Jinx Katarina Nasus Tryndamere Udyr are not late game champions. I'm also not sure about Xin Zhao's placement. A note: no ADC really falls off late game, but not all are really late game powerhouses who can thug out late game like Twitch, Vayne, Kog'maw, or Sivir. Oh, and Yi's late game is also not too hot, but he's just not very good right now.

Let me explain why.

Akali: Burst pattern is too slow even if built full damage, and if built full damage is extremely easy to pop. Akali is easily bursted late game in team fights.

Annie: Short ranged, no engage without flash. Burst is good, but often not enough to kill a properly shielded carry late game, especially since QSS counters her fairly hard.

Cho'gath: Damage falls off pretty hard if built tank. If built AP his defense falls off. Abilities are predictable, and he's very slow and easily kited.

Dr. Mundo: Defense falls off a bit late game, and while he can still kill most carries in a 1v1 fairly easily, a properly peeled for carry with lifesteal can DPS and kite the Mundo and kill him before he kills them. He also can't splitpush as well as someone like Tryndamere or Jax, since they dump on him 1v1 late game.

Draven: Despite his extremely high DPS (might actually be the best in his role) and burst, Draven is extremely unsafe in team fights compared to many other carries.

Ezreal: Not really much to say here. He just doesn't have the DPS of nearly any other ADC late game.

Jinx: Doesn't "fall off", but her late game is merely all right for an ADC. Don't believe the meme. She's not a hypercarry.

Katarina: Burst falls off a bit, but more importantly her damage is very easily interrupted in team fights.

Nasus: This is pretty well-known. A stacked Nasus can be a mid game powerhouse before carries get their percent armour pen and big boy AD for crits. Once they do he is prone to being kited and DPS'd. Nasus doesn't have very good team fighting, and he's also one of the less safe splitpushers.

Tryndamere: All right, so here's the thing: Tryndamere's damage is very very good late game. On par with many hypercarries. He is also a great duelist and splitpusher. But late game is decided by team fights. And Tryndamere is a contender for the single worst team fighter in League. The very best he can hope for late game is to soak up CC and damage. So he's like a tank with no utility.

Udyr: Too easy to kite, threat radius is too small, similar problems Tryndamere has. Is possibly an even more obnoxious splitpusher though.

Electro5221 votes

Ok.......but since when did Nasus become a mid game champ? He's always been know as the late game, unkillable, one-shot-you-and-your-turret, raid boss.

Also....how is Jinx not a hypercarry? She will outscale any ADC in the game except for Vayne, Twitch, and Kog. Even Riot has called her a hypercarry. This confuses me.......alot.

PermabannedGaren1 votes

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Ok.......but since when did Nasus become a mid game champ? He's always been know as the late game, unkillable, one-shot-you-and-your-turret, raid boss.

I can't tell you exactly when, but this is fairly common knowledge now.

His Q damage can't one-shot a front line tank or juggernaut late game, he can't reach the back line to burst your carry due to his slowness, and he isn't nearly as tanky as someone with good tank scaling steroids like Malphite, so he can be killed by the enemy ADC's DPS late game when he is being peeled.

This means he can only splitpush, which he doesn't do particularly fast or safely.

Also....how is Jinx not a hypercarry? She will outscale any ADC in the game except for Vayne, Twitch, and Kog. Even Riot has called her a hypercarry. This confuses me.......alot.

Not only does she not outscale those ADCs, but she is outscaled by them.

Furthermore, this simply isn't true. She doesn't outscale Tristana, Sivir, Ashe (pre-nerfs idk about now), Caitlyn, and maybe not Miss Fortune (whose ult does big boy crazy damage with set-up). She does outscale Draven (due to his lack of safety), Jhin, Varus, Corki, Quinn, Ezreal, Lucian, and Kalista.

Her scaling is all right, but she's not a hypercarry.

Geshultz1 votes

Forgot Amumu and Skarner and Vladimir

Electro5222 votes

Skarner and Vlad I can agree to.......but Mumu? He doesn't have that much of a potent late game. Sure, his mid game is strong, but I wouldn't consider him a late game champ.

Feed Daddy1 votes

Nah amunu shreds tanks tho

Geshultz1 votes

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Skarner and Vlad I can agree to.......but Mumu? He doesn't have that much of a potent late game. Sure, his mid game is strong, but I wouldn't consider him a late game champ.

http://champion.gg/champion/Amumu/Jungle Overtime his winrate goes up due to having more items makes his overall kit stronger such as raylis give him a permaslow. items in general help Amumu that and his w's % damage is better late game then early game.

PermabannedGaren1 votes

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Skarner and Vlad I can agree to.......but Mumu? He doesn't have that much of a potent late game. Sure, his mid game is strong, but I wouldn't consider him a late game champ.

Amumu's late game is very strong because while other tanks have a pretty significant fall off in damage late game Amumu does not. He can still stick to your carry and kill them solo.

Feed Daddy1 votes

Idk cc is too stronk 4 me

laughup021 votes

Nasus late game

??

Nasus is a god mid game, not late game. The only reason his winrate is even slightly up on champion.gg vs mid game is because people are retarded sometimes and let him do what he wants.

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