But increase it back to live if she's dashing towards an enemy champ
Alternatively, make her Q cooldown start after the third Q, or make it so her ultimate ends when she uses wind slash instead of at the end of the duration
SaltyKracka13 votesYou know what I'd like to see?
Nerf her R's duration. By like...half.
ImSoFull20 votesYou know what I'd like to see?
Nerf her R's duration. By like...half.
I like this, Riven shouldn't be able to chase me for 10seconds then use it. Make its 5seconds so you get you burst off, then use it as a finisher
Heckin Support7 votesI more hate the idea that it has such a low cooldown. Late game most rivens have around 30-40% cdr. That makes her ultimate like a 30-40 second cooldown. Thats cazy.
BobbyCarHaterX3 votesYou know what I'd like to see?
Nerf her R's duration. By like...half.
This is actually not that bad since she cant get 3 skillrotations off in that 10secs then, cause her ult gives her quite hard steriods.
Ace Access 6 votesincrease ALL her cooldowns, any objections ?
NewFoundAbility3 votesOr ... Make auto-cancelling not a thing?
Puppet33r6 votesIn other words...DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS BROKEN MESS OF A CHAMPION RITO!
Metard4 votesWhat if instead of nerfing the duration, decrease the damage her ult does by the duration you have had it up. For example, the damage scales down by 10% every second you have R activated.
Stackless Python10 votesOr they could actually make her ability work properly, and remove the need to animation cancel to reach full potential. The best Riven players use known bugs to output all their damage so fast and smoothly, while everyone who doesn't know how to do this looks like a snail in comparison. It's hard to nerf Riven because then players who don't animation cancel and such feel even weaker.
Riot could make her abilities work like they do when you animation cancel or at least make them easier to use together, and then nerf/buff/change from there. It's near impossible to play Riven fast and smooth with over 80+ ping and only using her abilities as intended; most of the time you look like you missed a few buttons on the keyboard.
Critmaster Garen5 voteshonestly, the main problem with riven is her all in cheese.
the fact that she can flash + e on you from a considerable distance and unleash her chain while youre stunlocked by her w and knockup. if anything needs fixing its that.
for starters, her w might need a .5 second delay with an animation instead of being instant. to at least give you a chance to flash out of it yourself.
she might not be op overall, but she has parts to her kit that make her extremely frustrating to deal with. free, uinrestriced mobility being one of them. this makes it rather easy for her to chase someone down in case he makes a mistake, while often escaping easily when she makes a mistake herself.
zffvX7xLuZ4 votesI swear her stun is like 0.75 seconds lmao.
Why do you guys hate her so much? Do you lose to her in lane all the time.
Every time I play riven top and stomp or win my enemy laner never complains, it's just forums. And I've beaten rivens at top as much as I won. Before you shout riven main, no I'm not .
Voluug132 votesPeople hate Riven because she is basically Darius' release Ult in champion form.
She awful to play against unless you counterpick her completly with Quinn or something like that. Then the Riven is awful to play.
And that she is pretty much inmune to being followed: only a Vayne or a Nidalee could actually stop her escapes.
zffvX7xLuZ2 votesYou just ignored everything I said , come on. I just told you I stomped her on many occasions by picking Lee or vlad, wrecked her 3 times as ahri. She's not op, she's hard to lane against for people who aren't good enough to win lane in general. The truth is you aren't good enough to beat the champ so you come to complain on forums, and that's perfectly natural , I did it with champs like kat and darius a year ago, when they ain't even op. Also countering is part of the game , that's a crucial part of the game , if you go hand to hand vs a mma fighter when you can take a gun why would you not go for the latter. If you don't understand after this reply honestly , I can't help you.
TacoTheKitten5 votes[deleted]
Saianna7 votesno mate, no.
We already had lots of healthy Riven threads talking about balancing her. We already gave shitton of solutions to how Riven could be fixed. We already asked Riot continuosly to make her fair to play as and against.
Nothing worked. She did recieve some nerfs that didn't solved any of our concerns.
Riot plays favourites with few champions, and noone who isn't blind can deny it.
You call those threads "bitching" I'd call them "close to last straw" threads
TacoTheKitten4 votes[deleted]
Saianna7 votesYeah Yeah Yeah. Stop it already.
plenty of counters, while she still can jump at you and rape you faster than baldy from Brazzers.
Oh But ekko has plenty of counters!!111one.
You see? We all have different opinions, but going so far as trashtalking on others just cause you disagree puts you in the spot of an a-hole.
I'm damn sure that Riven has the most "nerf her" threads from all "nerf x" threads in boards and old forum. And guess what... Riot doesn't care.
TacoTheKitten2 votes[deleted]
Voluug132 votesEkko has counters, but his kit isnt as overloaded at it sounds. it has a lot of small things here and there, but its extremely predictable and after his set of nerfs after release he is fine.
Voluug134 votesEkko has to actually predict where their opponents are ging to walk after the 3s edlay that his shield/stun has.
And has mana. That alone makes him much less overbearing to fight against.
And many counters? Riven has the tools to surpass her counters, and even then, going by Rito logic, counterpick isnt counterplay.
The only realistic counters Riven has are Renekton, Darius and Quinn. And even then the Riven can simply dedicate to farm instead of trying to cheese and use her CC and mobility to disengage and farm. A farming Riven is still a fed Riven.
NewFoundAbility1 votesI know you're going to have some sort of rebuttal trying to protect your Riven and you say ''everyone is complaining'' But, if we didn't ''complain'' about anything, then we would just leave and play DotA2 or something...
First off, Riven is known for being toxic. Not just in the gameplay sense --- but the players, too.
I set links to videos and a picture that pretty much sums up Riven.
Azteryz4 voteshow about make it no shield when dashing away and live shield when dashing toward champs
its called valor not coward
NewFoundAbility1 votes
AkabaneKun3 votesWhy make this thread again? The shield was already gutted, seriously you ppl should cry about actual broken shit like fiora not riven that at least does a type of dmg that can be countered.
Vistha Kai6 votesYou can literally stand next to a wall and Fiora can't do shit to you. That's how useful her "uncounterable" damage is.
NewFoundAbility1 votesShe can walk away and come back for the passive to refresh to a different part of the enemy.
Unless that isn't what your referring to.
The Sword Saint2 votesAnd then she ults someone and they stand next to a wall so she can't get the heal without killing them and will get 0 more passive procs off unless she just leaves the fight entirely and comes back I guess.
General Keith3 votesHonestly, what would be better is if the shield only activates if she AAs a champion after she casts the dash.
NewFoundAbility1 votesI really like this.
Riot should hire you.
Unvictus3 votesThe fact that she gets a shield on a dash ability, that scales off of AD, on like a 3 second (with CDR) is completely broken. There are just so many things wrong with this champ. She has literally everything that anyone could want in a champ; she's got damage, mobility, survivability (shield), hard cc, you name it. She's an overloaded ball of stats champ that is in desperate need of a rework!
Señor Karthus2 votesJust make it not scale with AD. Which is ridiculous.
Zaghyr2 votesI can't even imagine how this would be a good change. It's fucking horrible, and in my mind it is just bad design. This would only give riven one option. Engage. This would gut any potential riven has leaving her with little options. If i have to reposition to dodge an ability, i might as well take it to the face like a man because i may not have a fucking shield. What if i change targets? No shield if someone is behind me. Also, this change woulf make the ability extremely boring and stupid to watch. Lastly, she won't have disengage, and I'm (not) sorry but riven needs disengage due to her nature as a fighter/assassin.
Señor Karthus10 votesI can't even imagine how this would be a good change. It's fucking horrible, and in my mind it is just bad design. This would only give riven one option. Engage. This would gut any potential riven has leaving her with little options. If i have to reposition to dodge an ability, i might as well take it to the face like a man because i may not have a fucking shield. What if i change targets? No shield if someone is behind me. Also, this change woulf make the ability extremely boring and stupid to watch. Lastly, she won't have disengage, and I'm (not) sorry but riven needs disengage due to her nature as a fighter/assassin.
Isn't a dash and a wall jumper Q every 5 seconds enough escape for Riven mains? Shake my head.
The Sword Saint1 votesQ has a 12 second cooldown and only the third q hops - and only over small walls. Therefor taking animations into account she can only hop over walls if perfectly positioned once every 14 or so seconds before she buys a ton of cdr.
Señor Karthus6 votesQ has a 12 second cooldown and only the third q hops - and only over small walls. Therefor taking animations into account she can only hop over walls if perfectly positioned once every 14 or so seconds before she buys a ton of cdr.
Obviously Riven doesn't build cooldown reduction.............................................. -_-
Zhire2 votesas a riven main i build 40% cdr every game :o
Voluug132 votesWhich is way more that an all-in champion with superb engage normally has. The fact she has untargeted mobility alone maker way safer that an all-in bruiser should be.
The Sword Saint1 votesNo, you don't get to decide what things a champion should and should not have. She's not a bruiser, she's a 'light fighter' as described by riot. She's supposed to be highly mobile with lots of damage and be squishy, relying on outplays to avoid enemy damage rather then just tanking them with raw stats. The mini movements are there to dodge around skillshots and juke the enemy. She actually has shitty engage in anything but lane phase - and even then if shes against an enemy who she can't get to like lulu or jayce or kennen it's almost impossible to even get any cs let alone win lane.
SlampieceHawke2 votesThis fenrir guy gets it.
Voluug133 votesThis would only give riven one option. Engage. This would gut any potential riven has leaving her with little options.
Oh no! Making an all-in champion's kit be more focused on engage.
What a tragedy.
The point is that Riven doesnt need her shield while running away. She isnt supposed to be a hit and run champion or a kiting/juking champion. She is supposed to be an all-in champion, and should have the strenghts AND weaknesses of one.
The Sword Saint1 votesYes she is. She's supposed to make several favorable trades and then go in and win. The fact that she snowballs into someone who can engage into a full hp direct fight doesn't change the fact that on even or lower gold she's designed to be trading not fighting to the death.
Level 2-3 cheese on noobs aside, only a dumb riven goes ham every second they have an enemy in range of them.
She's specifically designed to have her movement broken up into 4 ground targetable parts that combined cover the same distance as any one champions single dash. You don't think she was intended to go in and out with this kind of micro mobility? She would just have targeted gap closers if she was only ever supposed to go in and fight to the death. She's not akali. Don't let your frustration from losing to her get in the way of using your common sense please.
Zaghyr1 votesOh no! Making an all-in champion's kit be more focused on engage.
What a tragedy.
The point is that Riven doesnt need her shield while running away. She isnt supposed to be a hit and run champion or a kiting/juking champion. She is supposed to be an all-in champion, and should have the strenghts AND weaknesses of one.
No, she does need disengage. Heavy engagers like Sej, Grag, Malphite are all very tanky and can stay in the middle of the fight because that is what they do. Riven is super squishy for a majority of the game and can't risk staying in the center of the fight for too long because any team worth their shit would wipe her out. Not to mention her Q is her only other form of getting, but if you go into the fight and fight then you Q will never be up. And don't go and say something like she is super tanky because of her shield, because she is not. IT IS 1.5 SECONDS, that is a brief period of high defense, not tankiness.
SlampieceHawke2 votesFighter/assassin 
doesn't have disengage. You riven mains are so toxic it is beyond belief. "omg you're proposing one minor tweak on my riven. DIE JUST DIE. LEAVE MY OVERLOADED KIT ALONE waaaaaaaah"
What you riven mains sound like everytime you hop onto a post.
Zaghyr2 votes[{quoted}](name=Slampiece Hawke,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=OHTatJJ8,comment-id=000a0002,timestamp=2015-08-26T08:06:57.294+0000)
Fighter/assassin
What you riven mains sound like everytime you hop onto a post.
We riven mains are "toxic" to you guys because most posts like this are proposed by people who think they know exactly how to fix riven, when most of the time they just recently lost to a riven and/or have never played her before.
Crett1 votesget rid of the ridiculous animation canceling mechanic. adding artifical skill gates like that are pretty lame. the performance of abilities shouldn't hinge on how well you can flippity flop your zop with the bippity bop kazow.
Mr Broken Wings2 votesget rid of the ridiculous animation canceling mechanic. adding artifical skill gates like that are pretty lame. the performance of abilities shouldn't hinge on how well you can flippity flop your zop with the bippity bop kazow.
Delete mechanics XDXDDDD Make every champion 1 dimensional like ww XDDDXDD. I am so glad riot doesnt care for the opinions of you people around here.
Crett1 votesFor one thing, animation cancelling adds absolutely zero dimension to Riven. It's something the Riven player can do to do more damage in less time. No player interaction, no nothing. It's like if Karthus' ult did 50% more damage if he managed to type out "pwxzcglodfxa" during the channel time.
It's not really a mechanic; it's a glitch, and she's being balanced around it like it's wavedashing all it does is add an extra completely useless step to the process. Why do you have to click the ground in between each Q? There's no decision, only more stuff you have to do.
The least that could be done is adding it to the description, so people can at least easily understand it's a thing.
She could easily get some compensation buffs if that polarizing glitch were removed. She really relies on it at high level play
SouL1ess1 votesOr we can change the fact that Riven doesn't need to have cast points on any of her abilities, effectively giving her the ability to 100-0 faster than Talon.
LithiumWednesday1 votesA P S C A L I N G
