Imagine if Lee Sin, Vi, J4, and Nidalee are all banned
Congratulations, you just banned pretty much every viable jungler.
EDIT: Add Rek'Sai to that list.
Congratulations, you just banned pretty much every viable jungler.
EDIT: Add Rek'Sai to that list.
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Like, I get your point. These junglers are definitely strong, but they are not the only viable ones. If these junglers are all banned in a game, then other junglers can be played fine. There are even more than this, but these are the ones I see the most.
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Like, I get your point. These junglers are definitely strong, but they are not the only viable ones. If these junglers are all banned in a game, then other junglers can be played fine. There are even more than this, but these are the ones I see the most.
but with the new chilling smite nerf a lot of champions cant do shit now. WW got nerfed hard. Amumu cant clear. Fiddle is better off just soloing drag around the clock for 30 min 5 drags, Sion is way too hit/miss, Rengar got nerfed hard and is serious trouble if behind say, Lee Sin, Udyr gets kited hard without chilling, Pantheon got nerfed hard and just gets outclassed now, Cho gets fucked by high mobility which is every new champ, Wukong gets destroyed by camps, Xin has been glitched for a while so he doesn't knockup, Sejuani is hit/miss without chilling to guarantee hitting CC.
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still have plenty of mobility that chilling smite nerf doesn't affect them, and they were ones it was aimed at
No. Nucleophilic is absolutely right. You are dead wrong. The jungle is much better than you think. Let's not forget about 
Fuk that dude.
I'm not debating that those champs aren't strong lol. I ban Lee and J4 every game because I am sick of seeing them in every single game. But I carried myself to gold with Jungle Fiddles and I don't even get chilling smite. If you can't get them with fear, you don't deserve to get them. When did WW get nerfed? I've been playing him this season and have like a 10 KDA with him haha. Cho is strong as fuck lol...not sure what your problem with him is. Wu doesn't get destroyed by camps. At all. I took him jungle for the first time ever and cleared fine. Went b after bot things, red, then bot crabby. After getting rangers, had no problem whatsoever. Sej was hitting CC loooooong before chilling smite.
Yes, these champs are strong, but if you need chilling smite to do well with the other champs, no offense, but you are doing something wrong.
< ---- if you dont have 29% Attack speed as your rune page your job is HARDER. He's too squishy to do anything at this point.