if this nerf goes through im done..

SwiftKitten88·Mar 9, 2016·6 votes·981 views

so now nids traps no longer root jungle mobs...

let me get this straight...

nid had 3 roles... then you let her jungle by allowing her to root jungle mob with her passive

then you remove the % hp on her traps so she cant mid top or support anymore then you nerf her Hp then you nerf her trap vision then you nerf her spear and now your removing the thing that allowed her to jungle in the first place,

so WHAT pray tell me... is nid supposed to do now?

you cant just kick her out of the jungle without giving her back that stats that let her do the other roles.. and don't get me wrong.. i will GLADLY see her kicked out of the jungle if it means i can use her mid top and support again.

but you cant just kick her out of the ONLY role she has left, unless you give her back the things that will allow her to do her old roles again

18 Comments

Rock MDMar 9, 20163 votes

Alrighty then bye.

Wînter FoxMar 9, 20162 votes

Riot is legit deleting Nidalee.

disregardableMar 9, 20162 votes

I think the idea is to leave her only in the jungle, but make her jungling worse.

DJ Di0Mar 9, 20163 votes

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I think the idea is to leave her only in the jungle, but make her jungling worse.

Literally what.

If they push this to live there is no reason to play Nidalee now. Atm the only thing she has going for her are fast and healthy clears that let her get early leads. Now she won't be able to kite the jungle monsters nearly as much, so she won't be able to invade or gank as often.

Valderis VandalaMar 9, 20162 votes

Question: Was her trap snare truly necessary to survive in the jungle?

I ask because other junglers don't seem to need this kind of thing. Can she still clear the jungle and kite camps as well as any other?

Or is she just to darn squishy without it?

SwiftKitten88Mar 9, 20161 votes

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Question: Was her trap snare truly necessary to survive in the jungle?

I ask because other junglers don't seem to need this kind of thing. Can she still clear the jungle and kite camps as well as any other?

Or is she just to darn squishy without it?

yes it is... for levels 1 and 2 absolutely necessary it is and its very helpful at levels 3 and 4. beyond that it isnt really needed but this change pretty much would force nid to back after each jungle camp until she hit lvl 4...

if you start gromp and take zero damage becuase your support is tanking the entire time and you chug all 3 pots on blue you might be able kill blue alone... but even so you would need to go back before wolves... aka she would be worthless in the jungle. you cant jungle if you cant even kill 2 camps without having to back.. and if you took damage on gromp i doubt you would even be able to clear blue without getting executed even with all 3 pots

Valderis VandalaMar 9, 20161 votes

Do you have experience with other junglers that do not have stuns and are as squishy as her?

How do they clear their jungle?

TerminexTMMar 30, 20162 votes

The only other junglers that you could consider similar in squishiness to nidalee (nid is still the squishiest jungler) are teemo (which is quite non meta) and then fiddlesticks. Teemo clears using his blind to avoid damage and has high ranged aa damage allowing him to kite effectively. Fiddlesticks drains life.

The issue is that a large bulk of nidalees damage comes from the rotation of using both cougar form and human form to mark bite and kite. With the removal of her traps she can't realistically use cougar form while kiting as it requires her to jump into the fight and jump out again while they are snared.

To give you an idea Nidalee is THE squishiest champion in the game that can jungle: here is a source list of squishy champs showing HP and HP growth rate. http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_champions'_health

As you can see from the link, Nidalee has a VASTLY below average base HP and a below average HP growth rate. Her mid game allows her to get away with lowered HP by going into the tank tree and picking up Strength of the Ages and buying a Rod of Ages. However this does nothing to solve early game issues such as:

Lower than average level 1 HP
Incredible inefficiency of rank 1 recovery spell: heal
NEW: inability to kite camps and avoid damage from camps
Nerfs to her AD scaling have more or less removed her effectiveness as a brawler/fighter, Her efficiency outside of cougar form took a large hit from this stemming from her auto attacks. Meaning if she chose to clear without much help from cougar form melee she would have one of the slowest clears although with range she can kite more effectively.

I won't judge riot to hard for the nerfs. I know as a Nidalee player that she was one of the best if not THE best invade jungler in the game. I only hope that they might decide to make up for her new found lack of kite ability with some base level starting stats to allow her to clear the jungle at a normal rate of the other junglers.

I plan on playing her more as a tank brawler in the jungle again and will play around with building for tank + ad. I highly doubt it will refund any ability in the early game though. I think her days as a viable jungler are over until riot can figure out a balance to allow her to persist.

PabloMaster54321Mar 9, 20161 votes

Yeah, why the hell dont you nerf the people who need a nerf stupid riot.

StellafreyjaMar 9, 20161 votes

When I saw the nerf, I was dumbfounded.

RavenhaleMar 9, 20161 votes

The skill curve to jungle with Nidalee just got raised. For those that couldn't root and kite properly to begin with, this won't be a notable change.

EreldraMar 9, 20161 votes

I got to agree, I don't really understand, whats the reasoning behind this nerf. I don't see how you are supposed to manage your first camps without the passive root? Okay, if you are higher Elo you are probalby good enough to manage anyway - which makes the nerf even more strange. Nidalee has quite a high skillcap, and she really gets stronger the higher the Elo is. So, why are you nerfing her for the lower Elo, by making her skillcap even higher? That will not solve the reasons why she is so strong in High-Elo, while making her even way more harder for everyone else, where she wasn't even that strong and "oppressive" due to the fact, that she is a champ with high skillcap and almost noone can utilze her properly anyway.

Really, I don't understand in the slightest whats the purpose of this... and I really don't know, how you are supposed to play her in the jungle, if your are like me just a lowly Silver Player, who enjoys playing her; but without the passive root... that first clear is going to be an absolute nightmare with this...

I can understand, that she needs a nerf, Nidalee seems to be really oppressive in High-Elo and Pro-Play, but please, how is this supposed to solve anything of her problems?

TerminexTMMar 30, 20162 votes

I'll go ahead and say the high elo kite system is fairly straight forward.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drVOe0SdybY

As you can see the snare incorporates almost 100% of what Nidalee abuses to clear. Following the same formula but without use of traps will allow you to clear but the efficiency is all gone. Can you clear this way: yes. But the most important for a jungle clear is efficiency, due to the nature of this nerf she will not be a useful champion because she will take too much damage during the clears: a bad start needs to lead into strong scaling into late game. Nidalee does not really have the lategame to compensate for a lack of power in the early levels.

Chibi TemplarMar 9, 20161 votes

That's fine with me. I've always hated playing "dodge the spear" every 10 seconds, and watching my dopy carries get chunked for 60% of their health bar anyway.

FalconPawwwwnchMar 9, 20161 votes

Yea ok

See you next week

SwiftKitten88Mar 9, 20161 votes

correction.. I'm done now. i MIGHT consider coming back if the nerfs don't go live. but even that fact that these could hit the PBE server pretty much proves that riot isn't a company i am willing to support anymore, i quit for 8 months during season 5 because of all the bullshit you did to nid, screwing her up.. removing her THREE old roles and forcing me to jungle with her if i wanted to play her, and you then made a challenger nid skin.. so i gave you a second chance.. and now your back to this bullshit. well i have had it, good riddance.

TerminexTMMar 30, 20161 votes

Of all the things to be mad at riot for, and there is a comprehensive list. Your anger comes from something as petty as nerfing your favorite champion? As someone who plays his share of nid games I'm saying the nerf is justified in its own way. Balancing her is a nightmare. As fun as she is, a skilled nidalee can punish any jungler out of existence simply because she had such a good clear and could invade at anytime she chose.

It's true that I want her returned to a useful state but I must admit that she was over powered in early game prior to nerfs.

ValyrianBladeMar 9, 20161 votes

She will get compensation, it will take a patch or two though.

Nidalee has been a top-tier and oppressive jungler for a long time. This is how Riot's balance system works, once a frustrating champion has shown up a lot and is strong, they purposely over-nerf them so the player base forgets about them and doesn't get too upset with their existence in the game. Nidalee qualifies because of her Spears.

It's been the same with a good variety of champions. Remember Sejuani? How long ago was she nerfed and only now getting buffs. Same for J4. Lots of others too. It's just her turn. That's the problem with maining only 1 champion - when it's their turn in the cycle the game REALLY sucks for you.