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These threads complain about champs like yasuo and illaoi and darius

Eyesack··40 votes·2,729 views

But honestly these champs aren't bad, because atleast they are about fighting. Taking hits and dishing out damage. Actually making this game a multiplayer online BATTLE ARENA.

Because when you get higher up in the elos, you realize this game isn't about fighting. It's about popping people instantly from range with target cc's and then using a slew of disengages so that you never get hit. And it's also about avoiding fights in general because your real goal is to kill the enemy nexus.

The champs that i think are cancer? Well, its not so much the adcs that do all their damage without ever getting hit, the problem for me is disengage champs, that never even give you the opportunity to fight, ever.

Janna and lulu are FAR more cancerous than ANYTHING these threads ever complain about. Their kits were practically made to suck ALL the fun out of the game. Literally disengage after disengage after disengage after disengage. And the funniest part is that all of those abilities can be used offensively.

So you keep on complaining about champs that aren't even all that bad, I'll keep banning the shit out of janna because it blows my mind that a champ like her was EVER made.

33 Comments

Athenes Lulu11 votes

Aw man you made my day :')

I main those stuff and they're fun as hell to play, it's all about collecting and bathing in tears of the enemy team.

Also you forgot about how Lulu can poke more easily than Janna does, therefore adding more annoyance points. Even as support.

Oh and Zilean. I don't play this guy but he has the similar levels of tear-inducing peels.

EDIT: I'll sneak in this too, currently working on Janna level 6.

https://puu.sh/qq7c3/598f1e03fa.jpg

TheOvermind3 votes

It's funny how I main Zilean but I play a lot of darius and nasus and jax. Janna is by far the most cancerous in fights with the shields the ultimate and the tornadoes every 3 s.

Lulu is the biggest bitch when it comes to splitpushing. She can just sit under turret And there is nothing I can do about it. I can't towerdive her cuz of her polymorph and ulti and shields. And her waveclear and dmg is insane (solo lane lulu)

Zilean is ma boy and I love shutting down completely immobile fighters like nasus, darius , illaoi, ( or anyone who just runs fast like hec, udyr, rammus etc ) with my 99% slow every 3 s . I get rekt by mobile fighters like yi, yasuo , riven , ahri etc. All I got vs them is my ultimate on one person. Hey at least Zil has some weaknesses aye. Unlike that bitch janna who peels off anyone and anything that gets close.

Athenes Lulu1 votes

Ironically, I hate playing splitpush comps. The only thing I can do is poke, waveclear, poke, waveclear, poke, repeat. Not fun. Even watching 2 ADCs farm in a farm fest is more entertaining than that.

Though the moment when someone jumps in, that's when I can finally get out of boredom and show them what's called outsmarting. And hoping that my KDA doesn't fuck itself over because it's already kind of bad this season.

Or if you don't think peeling is annoying enough, being able to follow-up, poke, and bait all at once will complete the ultimate "how to annoy someone" formula.

Punching Top4 votes

Janna Yasuo is by far the most cancerous in fights with the shields the ultimate and the tornadoes every 3 s.

Revali10 votes

I find laning against illaoi really fun

Illaoi MOVE! Illaoi LEARN! Illaoi NAGAKABOROS! [come on, who doesn't like saying that name?]

1 800 Top Lane3 votes

Illaoi main approves.

Only Play Darius9 votes

Because when you get higher up in the elos, you realize this game isn;t about fighting. It's about popping people instantly from range with target cc and then using a slew of disengages so that you never get hit. And it's also about avoiding fights in general because your real goal is to kill the enemy nexus.

100% this, which is why damage centered melee champs are rarely seen in high elos. Squishies complain all the time about assassins removing them from play yet almost no one cares about the fighters who are completely shut out of fights by disengage and kite champions like Janna/Lulu etc.

http://oi64.tinypic.com/zxa8up.jpg ^ I liked your title.

yay nibbers1 votes

People don't appreciate how hard it actually is to play these champs successfully. You need good timing and precision to do it right, but all people see is the death screen and they just get angry without taking the time to understand how that death screen came about.

As long as masteries are being shared, I also appreciated their title (to a lesser extent I suppose) http://image.prntscr.com/image/70b519f08c7e4f038e610d87575f7235.png Not pictured is a level 5 Darius mastery, lower points on him than the others. There's just something about being in the thick of things where all the danger is that makes playing that much more fun.

Hinagiku335 votes

As a player that likes glass cannon melee champs, I completely agree that Janna, Lulu, etc. can just completely shut us down and it kinda sucks.

As a player that is into game design, I recognize that WITHOUT those disengage champs every tier would look like Bronze tier.

In Bronze, the focus is on the BATTLE ARENA aspect of the game and everyone tunnel-visions on team fights. Avoiding fights is often an alien concept and the best champs are the ones that are the best at 1v1 fighting and/or AoE CC to lock down the enemy team while you beat on them. Taking towers and other objectives are things you do while waiting for the enemy team to respawn.

In higher tier play, the focus is on the MULTIPLAYER aspect of the game and everyone recognizes that there are specific objectives required to win and number of kills are not one of them. Avoiding fights is often a necessity since if you die you not only cannot take objectives, but also give the enemy team gold to make them even harder to fight later on. Taking towers and other objectives is the most important thing and team fights only break out when a team is caught out or a team forces a fight they feel they can win.

Disengage, and the Tanks and Supports that specialize in it, were created for a very important purpose - to add actual strategy to the game besides "hit them until they die". Without champs like Janna and Lulu every game would look like a Bronze game where only champs good at team fights can exist and all other strategies and tactics are non-viable.

Timewinder8 votes

"blows my mind that a champ like her was EVER made"

"blows my mind"

"blows"

Janna

3ofGot40ve7 votes

http://bestbans.com/tier/diamond

Janna listed as the top 4 ban in diamond+. Seems like you know what your talking about, +1.

NicolasTr5 votes

Janna and Lulu are indeed more problematic . Yasuo only issue i have with him is WindWall being able to block anything even if you use it on the 0.01 second before the projectile hit you.

Baby Ghoul5 votes

I'm tired of seeing Yasuo almost every game. On my team, or on the other team. He just gets out of hand so damn quickly because kills are not hard to come by where I'm at.

The vast majority of us are Gold and below, and at this ELO most of us are still learning. First blood usually happens as early as 3 mins into the game. After that people rarely play safely because they're honestly just as likely to comeback. If one person is having a bad game, you pray it's not against Yasuo because he's so difficult to shut down. If the Yasuo is on your team, you pray he's not going to feed and become hard to carry. This is toxic and causes problems on the teams as well. People get angry asking who fed the Yasuo, or talk about how useless the 0/4 Yasuo is.

I get that he's not as problematic in an ELO where players recognize power spikes, where they see when a fight is wasted, and when their reaction times are quicker. I get that, but you should also remember what it is like for those of us who have maybe only been playing for a year or two.

In low ELO too many fights happen, and that's why he's picked so often. There's such a big chance that you'll get fed. While KDA isn't everything, and sure I've won against a fed Yasuo more than a few times, it sure sucks big time. If you're in a tight spot while a fed Yasuo is active, then it feels like there's no hope. I don't think that's right. I don't feel like that's fun, and I also hate to waste a precious ban on him. You're just as likely to get him on your team in Silver as well.

Part of balancing is considering what is problematic at what ELO. If we're experiencing a problem with a certain champion at all ELOs, then it's much easier for the balance team to balance that. For ones that are specifically problematic to a certain ELO, then I get that could require more thought.

However I think it's important to note that Yasuo is not hurting in Diamond. He has a 23% adjusted pick rate and a 51% win rate, and while that's much lower than in lower ELO, it isn't by that much. I get what you're saying, but Yasuo is not any fun.

Subject 54 votes

People don't bitch about them because they don't cause excessive catastrophy, unlike Yasuo, Darius and I am really surprised that you said Illaoi because I never see an Illaoi thread on her.

Can you imagine a world without Yasuo and Yasuo based champions? It would be less toxic.

Can you imagine a world without Support champions that rely on CC heavy abilities like Lulu, Janna? Good fucking luck shutting down that Yasuo who just crit you for half of your HP.

with a 100% critical damage from building literally 2 items. Yasuo scales off of so much shit that it is just unreal that he can even exist, like, this dude scales double with crit- saving him money, thus scaling him with AD items AND launching him head first into early damage spikes. Then you have boots, guess what? He scales with fucking boots too. Then his ultimate, did you know that his fucking ultimare scales as well? Yeah, you know the armor that the enemy team built specifically to like, you know, not die? item 3035 + HASAGI after ultimate, cutting through tanks like a hot knife through butter. Oh hey, did I forget to tell you? You don't need to build cooldown reduction BECAUSE HE SCALES WITH ATTACK SPEED TOO OMFG SO MUCH FUN

Like, I don't think he is OP but why does he need to scale off of EVERY offensive stat in the game, plus a shield plus a windwall that nullifies all forms of retaliation from the enemy. Because windwall nullifies EVERYTHING. Including Whimsy from Lulu and Including even item 3222 ?????

So, yeah. People don't cry about supports because they don't have the money to be relevent as a solo threat or even a threat at all when it comes to damage. And without them being in the game, champions like Yasuo and Darius would run wild. Lulu and Janna don't go around pentakilling people for building tanky or because a Yasuo decided to build 2 items for 100% critical damage. They are team focused champions, they rely on their team for assistance.

Starfish H20 votes

When you don't think Yasuo is op but still dedicate a paragraph about his strengths and how he's toxic as hell.

Subject 54 votes

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When you don't think Yasuo is op but still dedicate a paragraph about his strengths and now he's toxic as hell.

I can't even begin to understand what you are trying to say. Your sentence is missing either a word or several words . . . or a mispelled word, I don't even know.

From the gist of it I got that I am not allowed to say he isn't OP while also saying that he is toxic as well. If that is what you mean . . . /-/

Starfish H4 votes

Well if you're going to see he's not OP list out his weaknesses. His ultimate is off of bonus armor and percentage armor pen stacks multiplicatevly so it's not as dramatic as it sounds. Windwall doesn't nullify everything and I've seen Yasuo's rarely block whimsy or mikael's unless they luck out. Not only that it has a 20 sec cd meaning it's easy to be baited out and then used to your advantage. The shield is gained but literally a small breeze from Janna can negate it and he has to start all over again either walking around or ultimate. And Yasuo is just as team reliant. Literally any CC from Nautilius or Alistar can fuck him up and blown up in 2 seconds. He has to have a team with him and other forms of knock up to help as dashing in and tornado would be very risky in team fights. He also doesn't scale off of EVERY offensive stat. He only scales off of crit and AD. The reason why Janna and Lulu are more annoying is that they can easily end the fight when they want to and save a whole team if they do well. Janna is literally just shields, slow, knock up, and then ult and run away. Lulu is give massive amount of health shut down the carry with polymorph and chunk them with glitter lance. Or she could give a shield to her adc and peel by flashing and ult to get them off the adc. Yasuo is also one of easiest champs to gank because of his wave clear and can easily be hopped on and stunned easily.

SSJTribe3 votes

It's ironic that you don't think Yasuo is overpowered, but still dedicate an entire paragraph to listing his strengths and how he's toxic as hell.

That should help.

Micbran4 votes

Agreed. Janna and Lulu make the game so boring zzz.

DunkinNoobs4 votes

Cockblock champs are the worst. You can kill a Yasuo. Good Luck killing a Lulu or Karma with a brain.

Zero Skill Tank3 votes

Aw yiss, Janna is terrible, Rito should really do something to reduce her permament strength and popularity in soloQ.

Theiki Kayle3 votes

The boards do complain about Janna and Lulu though.

Just not so much because both have to be incredibly ahead (possible for solo lane Lulu, impossible for Janna unless you're a god and you play her mid) to 100-0 you.

But yeah, don't think people have missed how cancerous Janna and Lulu are. People hate getting disengage but they hate getting killed more (Darius and Yasuo can combo you to death, Illaoi is a little trickier but she can still do it).

(and for the record, Janna is not only cancerous, she also has a great winrate that never falls below 50%)

Athenes Lulu2 votes

Though if you wanna talk about what's happening more recently, people are more on complaining on how Lulu is "weak" mainly because of her Q nerfs.

Like uhm... seems legit.

Theiki Kayle1 votes

Meh, solo lane Lulu might've gotten weaker, but I still made a Draven immortal as support Lulu.

Lulu ain't weak, she's just been outclassed in her solo lanes.

DevlinCrow3 votes

Can confirm the list fun I ever have is playing someone like Olaf vs someone like Teemo, who just Movespeeds away from you. Turn around and run away? Nah he's gonna nuke you bro.

Rest of the game is fine, even getting dunked by a skilled Darius

TheSingularity2 votes

It's not that darius is OP. It's that his only reliable counter play is to leave lane. The only time a darius will let you get on the inner side of his q, is when you blink and give him no choice. Pick any melee top lane that isn't ranged or a fellow juggernaut, and you're doomed.

As rumble, nunu, rek sai or zac, I shouldn't have to abandon lane to not feed him. If i dont leave, he zones me and gets fed off the gold/XP gap between us untill he sits under tower and wrecks mah but.

Simply for a qol change. His bleed should apply dmg over a shorter duration. So one aa doesn't fully shred my armour. And get phage the f out of the black cleaver. He's got dead mans and swifties, he don't need more ms

PokladnicaZla2 votes

Please tell me this a joke thread . . .

Surr20plz1 votes

Well said.

Kanzaki Ranko1 votes

Jhin

Dunkrius2g1 votes

I honestly don't care if Riot does decide to nerf Darius cuz of noobs complaining about him. They are merely delaying the inevitable.

Drugoth1 votes

My man, if you can't handle Janna and Lulu just wait until you come up against a good Nami .

[slayer-jinx-wink]

Desolas Arterius1 votes

I definitely have to agree with you. Going against a good Lulu, Janna, or Blitzcrank is more frustrating than going against a good Darius or Yasuo. I don't really get where Yasuo is getting all this hate from. He isn't a difficult champion to go against, at least not to me he is and I don't even play him. Once you figure out how he plays or how he relies so damn much on a knock-up he's actually really easy to lane against. Sometimes fun because he forces you to learn good positioning and dodging.

I just think people are complaining to complain. Like a new flavor of the month to bash on. I am so used to going against Yasuo or having one on my team (fiance mains Yasuo lol) that I know how to counter him without counter-picking.

Plus he relies heavily on team comp. So if you dont have enough knockups he's screwed if you dodge his (very easily dodged mind you) knock up he wont be able to do much.

Just my opinion though. He doesn't really deserve all this hate he's getting out of no where. Neither does Zed. Both champions aren't an issue. People just need to learn how to go against them... And learn to position correctly or move >.>

Lovelle1 votes

Add Lux to that list as well. Her range is way too safe for how easily she decides mid-late fights with her Q, let alone that short CD ult. She's in almost every game too.

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