You wanna know the worst part about having to be centered around an adc?

Succubús GF·Apr 27, 2017·10 votes·865 views

That they have probably the most fragile egos in the entire world. I kid you not, i have had rage quits varying from top mid jg supp adc. But the majority of the time it's adc. How convenient that the role with the most important role is the one where its a bunch of cry baby egotists. Cait literally said "we didnt win at 20 i give up" and then went afk, and then came back to be toxic at fountain like ??? This happens so frequently, if your adc's ego doesnt get stroked harder than a pornstr's dck they just rage quit into the next world. /endrant

20 Comments

D3m37r1Apr 27, 20174 votes

Idk why this is getting downvoted. It's true. Adcs have the biggest egos just because the word "carry" is in their name.

GeminiRuneApr 27, 20172 votes

I think just having the insight of being a "carry" period forms that kind of egotistical mentality. Case in point my most recent game with a Yasuo (obviously). Didn't win enough against his lane opponent in Mundo. Ultimately rage quit because he didn't get what he wanted out of lane phase. And I was that bot lane/adc. I would not mind giving him an open lane to farm off of.

RainfallApr 27, 20174 votes

its not about ego,adc players are the most griefed players in the community,adc players have to deal with the most uncooperative part of the community,the support players,i have seen more troll supports in my life than i have seen in any every other role combined,less than 1 out of 3 supports actualy picks a supports and builds support items.

AptestApr 27, 20173 votes

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its not about ego,adc players are the most griefed players in the community,adc players have to deal with the most uncooperative part of the community,the support players,i have seen more troll supports in my life than i have seen in any every other role combined,less than 1 out of 3 supports actualy picks a supports and builds support items.

I'm sorry. In my previous game, I find myself walking all over the map trying to prevent the jungle and mid and top from getting their asses handed to them. I am overtaxed to the extreme and then I find out the ADC's idea of "cooperative" is to follow her around 24/7 and be generally useless together.

I feel that a lot of ADCs want from the support player a play style focused on having a special relationship with the ADC. I don't think that the game should be played around the support having a specific relationship with the ADC and it's unfair to push supports to just this direction.

OTOH i understand where you are coming from, ADC players. You have no agency because everybody shits on you, and the only way you get agency is if somebody else gives you his own. But if i give you my agency, what do i have left?

I think the way it should work is this:

prove to me that you're worth it. You have the entire laning phase to do that. Then we'll talk.

KaìjuApr 27, 20171 votes

The issue with that is you are the one with the power in lane phase. Lane phase is decided by the better support player. ADCs just smash cocks together and hope they win, support dictates how that plays out. Ask anyone that's higher Eli that plays bot lane and they can tell you the same thing. ADCs have support because they suck ads without one. So telling the ADC to "prove themselves" in lane is flawed because you are expecting a very team reliant player to solo perform so that you will then judge whether or not they are worthy. Plus as said, we get shit on a lot. No matter how the game goes, it's my fault. Top fed J4 7 kills, "why are you 1/5" probably because J4 shits on Ashe. ADCs are such a demanding role, having a team that blames you is what makes them tilt. We don't normally have a bug safety net of utility, or tank, or mobility. We have maybe one defense tool and damage, so the burden to perform is greater then most. Even damage mages can get a Rylais and at least slow people if they can't kill them, ADCs can't do that.

AptestApr 28, 20172 votes

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The issue with that is you are the one with the power in lane phase. Lane phase is decided by the better support player. ADCs just smash cocks together and hope they win, support dictates how that plays out. Ask anyone that's higher Eli that plays bot lane and they can tell you the same thing. ADCs have support because they suck ads without one. So telling the ADC to "prove themselves" in lane is flawed because you are expecting a very team reliant player to solo perform so that you will then judge whether or not they are worthy. Plus as said, we get shit on a lot. No matter how the game goes, it's my fault. Top fed J4 7 kills, "why are you 1/5" probably because J4 shits on Ashe. ADCs are such a demanding role, having a team that blames you is what makes them tilt. We don't normally have a bug safety net of utility, or tank, or mobility. We have maybe one defense tool and damage, so the burden to perform is greater then most. Even damage mages can get a Rylais and at least slow people if they can't kill them, ADCs can't do that.

As a support player, I am in charge (not alone) of generating plays for the team and of outplaying the plays of the other team.

This has value not only when I do it off the ADC, but also when I do it with the jungler, and mid and top lane.

Because all the team can benefit from my assistance, and my ability to act is limited, I have to make the decision for the benefit of the team where my efforts give the best results.

The idea that my efforts are always best rewarded by sticking to the ADC is junk - have you ever had to deal with a fed enemy mid laner or jungler? If you just spent some effort ganking mid or ganking jungle, you'd have prevented that.

You are right in saying that lane phase is not ideal for judging ADC performance. But I have to make the decision for at least my mid game strategy by the time lane phase ends. So that is what I, as the support player, have to work with.

I think the idea of waiting for someone who's shown reluctance to dodging skills, inability to farm or trade, reluctance to rotate or push for objectives and excessive greed to reform while the mid game is happening and the enemy jugnle is all over the place and I can't even ward the map because the ADC keeps shoving his greed into indefensible positions so i have to chaperon 24/7 is busted. Allowing the ADC to die a couple of times at the benefit of our team's jungler or mid getting a bunch of kills and **objectives ** is more profitable....

...but then I run the risk of the ADC ("where is my support?!") rage-quitting....

Make no mistake: even though your job as an ADC is defined by your errors and you get deleted by everybody, you are still expected to bring home the bacon. If you are unable to put damage where it counts for whatever reason even if it was the support's fault, you have very limited value to the team.

And I am the first person on the team that must make decisions based on your value. So don't blame me when I make them.

as for rage quitting. the no1 reason in my experience for ADC rage quitting is "the support has kills". nothing tilts ADCs more than the support getting the kill. Even if they are not involved in it. "lulu is 3/0" is apparently a valid reason for Draven to rage-quit.

KaìjuApr 28, 20171 votes

Its probably just my elo but I see a lot of supports actively taking kills that are easily constable to the ADC.

AptestApr 29, 20172 votes

I've seen so many ADCs fail to secure easily achievable kills that until I climb high enough to stop seeing shit mistakes like that I'll max damage every focus target and if this nets me the kill so be it.

KaìjuApr 29, 20171 votes

I mean probably, but you can't get mad at Ashe for not securing the kill when AP Lux support just Q ulted it.

RalanrApr 27, 20171 votes

There are games where you feel useless and just want it to end. The ADC role is more likely to feel this because all they can provide is damage and are incredibly reliant on snowballing if they want to be impactful early.

Imo they could solve this by making ADCs scale in comparison to everyone else instead of each other (so we have ADCs that can fall off like a juggernaut would) so that way ADCs can have a good early at the cost of their late (because we all pay a price for our power spikes as the game goes on. Pantheon for example has one of the worst late games to compensate for his stupid good early). But I'm sure this is a bad idea as a high ranking player would love to explain.

AwhegarkApr 27, 20171 votes

I feel this threats are just supports Eco chambers where they harass other roles. Supporting means helping another person, that is your whole role, if you don't like it play something else. Think about it, do doctors cut off oxygen from patients that are violent or aggressive towards them?. Be a real support and help your team without expecting something in return.

Succubús GFApr 27, 20171 votes

I was the mid laner? But nice try?

PhDs NutsApr 27, 20171 votes

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I was the mid laner? But nice try?

Cool sample size.

The fun part about ADC is that, more often than not, your lane partner is autofilled.

OurLestradeApr 27, 20171 votes

I must be playing in a different world, I never get these constant stories people go on about. Most ADCs don't say a word.

RainfallApr 27, 20171 votes

you would be salty too if literaly half of your games were troll games,in my games as an adc about 1/3rd of the games are "normal",in about half of my games i get a lux support or an mf support that takes my cs,or a double jungler,or no support at all the guy just troll picked mid,in the other half when i actualy get a support from the actual support pool of the game,usualy an ap support or blitzcrank half the games the guy just trollbuilds into a full ap build with no sightstone or any support items whatsoever.Its not that adcs are egocentric,its just that we have to cooperate with the least cooperative players in the community.

Big LincolnApr 27, 20171 votes

was hoping this thread would be about how ADCs are the only guaranteed pick and making them the centerpiece of every team is a cancer to the game, but you just wanted to complain about a cherry picked game lol