The abomination that is tank akali

LegitBusinessman·Feb 24, 2016·4 votes·793 views

This atrocity proves, pretty straight forward, the absurdity that is the assassin class. The base damage on basically EVERY assassin is absurd, and who doesn't fondly remember Cinderhulk ekko? Cinderhulk fizz? Tank akali? Don't these build paths show that there a flaw in how assasssins are balanced?

An akali, an alleged assassin, can build full tank, that's fine. My issue is that squishies are getting 100-0d by an Akali with base stats alone and not a single shred of ap.

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AlwaysByMySideFeb 24, 20165 votes

Squishies also get 100-0'd by tank (one damage item allowed) Mundo, Rammus, Malphite, Shen, Zac, Sejuani, Volibear, Darius, Garen, etc.

Why does it bother you when it happens to be an assassin doing it?

Not that I'm defending Akali in particular, her design is super toxic. But your issue seems to be with assassins as a whole.

xl Kirito lxFeb 24, 20165 votes

To be fair to Rammus, he does very little. Squishy's 100-0 themselves on him.

CrossetteFeb 24, 20161 votes

To be perfectly honest.

Rammus' ult needs a base damage nerf, and his taunt needs a lower duration.

LegitBusinessmanFeb 24, 20161 votes

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Squishies also get 100-0'd by tank (one damage item allowed) Mundo, Rammus, Malphite, Shen, Zac, Sejuani, Volibear, Darius, Garen, etc.

Why does it bother you when it happens to be an assassin doing it?

Not that I'm defending Akali in particular, her design is super toxic. But your issue seems to be with assassins as a whole.

Because assassins are far more mobile than the champions you listed.

AlwaysByMySideFeb 24, 20161 votes

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Because assassins are far more mobile than the champions you listed.

Oh yeah? They also have much less CC and utility than all the champions listed except for Garen (who is tankier than any assassin could ever be and has a huge true damage steroid with the Villain mechanic) and Mundo (who is also tankier than any assassin could ever be and is about as sticky).

Oh, and many of those champions aren't lacking in mobility either.

hi im mintyFeb 24, 20161 votes

I have time to dodge a sejuani running towards me. I don't have time to dodge am akali jumping on me.

CrossetteFeb 24, 20161 votes

Assassins as a whole ARE the problem.

AlwaysByMySideFeb 24, 20161 votes

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Assassins as a whole ARE the problem.

Nah.

YuGiHoFeb 24, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Memeglaive Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Nnt0Kb6t,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-02-24T02:39:01.346+0000)

Squishies also get 100-0'd by tank (one damage item allowed) Mundo, Rammus, Malphite, Shen, Zac, Sejuani, Volibear, Darius, Garen, etc.

Why does it bother you when it happens to be an assassin doing it?

Not that I'm defending Akali in particular, her design is super toxic. But your issue seems to be with assassins as a whole.

Exactly!! Anything can kill the standard squishy champ except for like 0 ap supports

Akali is SO HOTFeb 24, 20164 votes

You guys are way over estimating the damage of tank Akali. It takes her a much longer time to kill you and gives you plenty of opportunity to kill her. She doesn't even have any hard CC to stop you from blowing your load all over her and CCing her.

I'm really sorry that you died quickly while building full offense :( Clearly because you don't have any defensive items you deserve to be unkillable and invincible to all damage.

If anything, tank Akali just proves that she's so bad at being an Assassin that she has to build tank to even be worth using at all lmao

3TWarriorFeb 24, 20161 votes

her tank damage is fairly decent

base damages alone, her damage excedes 2000 in 5 seconds

if she has rylais as part of her build for some free ap, that comes to over 2440(if we reduce that by various carry items, she would still do 1200 (at 100 mr or 2 items used to cover)

and don't forget that tank akali doesn't occupy the jungler or support tank position while still having great defense and up to 650 AOE damage(mid lane is a no go), so there are still plenty of tanks left with crowd control

thresh and blitzcrank are notable examples and then there's any tank with a decent engage to deal enough damage to the carry for akali to take out relatively unharmed

Akali is SO HOTFeb 24, 20161 votes

So are you just sitting there afk for 5 seconds? You do realize 5 seconds is plenty of time to CC her and kill her right? Not to mention that you are assuming she doesn't use her shroud and gets all of her damage off flawlessly

AkaIihoIicFeb 24, 20163 votes

Akali's base dmg isn't that great... ._.

3TWarriorFeb 24, 20161 votes

actually, they're fairly impressive if you can use all she has to offer and if you throw a small amount of ap into the mix such as rylais

her base damage total for all of her abilities (if you can use them all 1 Q, 5 E, 3 ults) comes to a total of 1660 base damage in a few seconds and her E can spread 650 of that to nearby enemies

it would drain her energy dry, but her damage is respectable

edit: actually, I miscalculated for her E as it includes total AD(including base and not additional AD), so that brings the total to a wopping 1980

if we factor in additional auto attacks, her damage comes to over 2000 in about 5 seconds

AlwaysByMySideFeb 24, 20161 votes

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actually, they're fairly impressive if you can use all she has to offer and if you throw a small amount of ap into the mix such as rylais

her base damage total for all of her abilities (if you can use them all 1 Q, 5 E, 3 ults) comes to a total of 1660 base damage in a few seconds and her E can spread 650 of that to nearby enemies

it would drain her energy dry, but her damage is respectable

edit: actually, I miscalculated for her E as it includes total AD(including base and not additional AD), so that brings the total to a wopping 1980

if we factor in additional auto attacks, her damage comes to over 2000 in about 5 seconds

Plus she apparently builds Sunfire Cape, Titanic Hydra, and Thornmail. She can do a lot of damage to the carry with that set-up, and is obviously harder to kill. She obviously has less burst than assassin Akali, but her sustained damage is solid and her survivability much better.

I don't really think she's OP with this build though. I tried it once recently, and it was all right.

AkaIihoIicFeb 24, 20161 votes

I know but it's nothing special. I mean use the same build on a Garen or a Darius and it's way better :/...

AlwaysByMySideFeb 24, 20161 votes

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I know but it's nothing special. I mean use the same build on a or a and it's way better :/...

Nah, not really. Garen and Darius aren't as sticky as Akali is, which is the appeal of the build.

Garen doesn't want Titanic Hydra at all, and generally speaking it's not super amazing on Darius either. I rarely even buy Sunfire's on Garen, and pretty much never on Darius. They don't stick well enough. Deadman's Plate is much better since it helps mitigate that weakness.

AkaIihoIicFeb 24, 20161 votes

Sticky, Garen press his Q and is the stickiest thing, cmon...

AlwaysByMySideFeb 24, 20161 votes

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Sticky, Garen press his Q and is the stickiest thing, cmon...

And then you toss a slow his way.

Akali on the other hand has three point and click gap closers.

Hayaishi2Feb 24, 20162 votes

The abomination that is Akali in general, always been a balance nightmare.

cocacolalipsFeb 24, 20162 votes

Assassins have to have very high stats to compete in this game.

You wanna know why?

Because the mages and marksmen in this game are even more ridiculous. They have damage, they have range, and they have crowd control, all in one. What happens when you combine all 3? You create a no man's land area between the 2 champions where your opponent gets outranged, outpoked, outraded, and whenever he tries to close the gap, kited to death with crowd control. It's very unhealthy. Look at abominations like Anivia. It's impossibe to reach them or to trade unless you are also a mage with the same tools.

Assassins exist to deal with those champions as they are the only ones capable of doing so.

Pro tip for the next games: don't give the same champion range, damage, and crowd control.

LegitBusinessmanFeb 24, 20161 votes

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Assassins have to have very high stats to compete in this game.

You wanna know why?

Because the mages and marksmen in this game are even more ridiculous. They damage, they have range, and they have crowd control, all in one. What happens when you combine all 3? You create a no man's land area between the 2 champions where your opponent gets outranged, outpoked, outraded, and whenever he tries to close the gap, kited to death with crowd control. It's very unhealthy. Look at abominations like Anivia. It's impossibe to reach them or to trade unless you are also a mage with the same tools.

Assassins exist to deal with those champions as they are the only ones capable of doing so.

Pro tip for the next games: don't give the same champion range, damage, and crowd control.

Anivia is one of the ONLY safe picks into assassins due to passive. Try playing someone like TF or VK into Zed or Fizz. Tell me how much cs you get after 6 minutes.

If you're actually saying that mages are good lane matchups into assassins, I soundly disagree based on personal experience.

cocacolalipsFeb 24, 20161 votes

"If you're actually saying that mages are good lane matchups into assassins, I soundly disagree based on personal experience."

I said the opposite, I said Assassins only exist to deal with those pesky ranged abominations as they are the only ones able to do so.

YuGiHoFeb 24, 20161 votes

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Anivia is one of the ONLY safe picks into assassins due to passive. Try playing someone like TF or VK into Zed or Fizz. Tell me how much cs you get after 6 minutes.

If you're actually saying that mages are good lane matchups into assassins, I soundly disagree based on personal experience.

Tf is just natural counterd by any assassin, if anything akali is his easiest matchup. but vik has the tools to deal with assassins in lan while also being to be able to waveclear endlessly and wrek teamfights. if assassins are really a issure for you just play Zilean Lulu the two most anti assasin champs in the game that also have a stupid strong late game.