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A lot of the devs stated intentions have been missed its bewildering.

LegitBusinessman·1/24/2020, 4:05:19 AM·181 votes·20,822 views

The original intention, stated by Riot, to reworking a lot of champs was to do away with things that were considered too frustrating to play against, the principal complaint being that many were too binary.

You reworked Akali, Irelia, and Fiora, and ended up creating something infinitely more infuriating to play against than their previous iterations, by a margin so wide it's baffling. Your stated intention on Kai'sa was a 'RISKY ADC PICK' akin to Vayne. So risky, she's been fine to first pick since release and was pick/ban in LCS for most of the year. Very risky indeed. And how can anyone forget? You made Zoe.

This game has no strategic element to it. Since runes reforged there is no 'composition'. There's no 'poke' or 'hard engage' comps. It's been almost 2 years since the concept of someone 'peeling' for their team has been mentioned in pro play. Chess has turned into checkers. It's just trading broken picks in nearly every lane. That's not entertaining from a viewer perspective in any way.

The inability of the newer devs, now that a lot of the old guard has moved on, to recognize how much they have failed in intentions that are GOOD, but executed horribly... I mean what can this be chalked up to if not just a lack of actual talent at the job?

125 Comments

MagicFlyingLlama1/24/2020, 4:14:07 AM48 votes

Wow, a rant post that is actually factually accurate.

The Whamboozler1/24/2020, 8:57:31 AM47 votes

I'm reasonably certain they're not basing any of their choices around balance anymore... it's all about what make for flashy plays and impresses the fortnite kids and/or china. The game might be healthier with a less frantic all-in burstfest of a playstyle, but that's what the people who play it want. they wanna faceroll across their keys, see their anime champ (for it is almost always an anime champ) fly across the screen and instagib at least one person in a half second so they can say "lol outplayed".

The days of league having varied strats is kinda.... gone.

NY641/24/2020, 4:17:55 AM41 votes

A lot of reworks usually are for the greater good and give forgotten/ gutted champions much needed love that also gives a new story with new fun gameplay. Examples would be like Poppy, Yorick, Taric, Warwick, Nunu, Sion. The ones you mostly are talking about are from CertaintyT.

Salty Mc Feed1/24/2020, 9:06:21 AM11 votes

Well Fiora isn't binary anymore, she is unitary.

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

But apparently people consider Sett not overloaded and balanced... not sure what the logic is there, with W max and 40% cdr his shield/true damage cd is down to slightly below 5 sec, with the shield that decays over 3 seconds, which means you have about 2 seconds to safely fight him or you only poke him from long range but he also gets an evolved Garen passive that heals him constantly scaling with missing HP LMAO

So I'd argue that large parts of this community also can't tell what is unbalanced even if it hits them right in the face. So It really doesn't matter what Riot does, they always get away with it. Balance efforts are only very superficial now, but some very fundamental overhauls would be required to make the game feel balanced again. That's a lot of work that Riot can't be arsed to do and they don't have to because for every complaint there is another 50% of the community that is ignorant to the issue and doesn't want it changed due to their own bias.

Everyday Legends1/24/2020, 6:40:54 AM8 votes

What do you have against Zoe?

Daddy Ants1/24/2020, 9:12:53 PM8 votes

200+ collective years of design experience

mikemcparty1/24/2020, 4:33:42 PM6 votes

They keep making champs that are pay to win hoping to get sales for RP and that is exactly what is happening. The same people in here complaining about broken champs are the same ones who are buying them for "Free LP." That is what is wrong.

Yordle Gunner1/24/2020, 9:04:36 AM6 votes

I was on board until you brought up Zoe. I can't take anyone serious if they still think that Champ was OP. Imagine a champion being good if they manage to land their very narrow skill shots on their proper targets. And the community bandwagoned the hate in obvious fed moments to spearhead the Zoe nerfs. Ridiculous. Part of why this game balance is so screwed up is because this community bandwagons so hard on those things.

Raiyza1/24/2020, 6:23:10 PM4 votes

They need to get rid of CertainlyT. He is the main issue. The designs are super creative, but extremely unhealthy.

Eybdoog1/24/2020, 3:00:07 PM4 votes

Well said OP

Kendren11/25/2020, 3:16:19 AM4 votes

Reminds me of a time when they reworked nidalee because the playstyle of sniping people from fog of war was annoying and uninteractive... and then created zoe... to do that... with the added benefit of still killing u with autos if she misses everything.

Or when they reworked rengar because one shotting people by hitting all of ur buttons was uninteractive... and now... literally everything...

Thresh Outta Fux1/25/2020, 6:00:26 AM4 votes

Upvote this post into oblivion.

I say Facts1/25/2020, 5:54:57 AM2 votes

I see you point there and I truly understand because lately they have been "Trolling us".

Technically, I wish they made 2 versions of League, the old one and new one. Old one for the true game to invest in, and the new one for only "those who really love marksmen"

Old League was much more fun, and it had plenty of comfortable roles, from Top to support. None of them was lacking, each role had its best and perfect position to play as.

Look at the game now, look at Pyke, Senna. Are they really supports? Shall we call an assassin with invisibility and extreme self sustain, who can both hook and stun with the other ability and execute, and also ignores all the shields + defense ? gurantees kills and shares gold to allies? seriously? do we call that a support? no I call that a 10x Top and Jungle mixed together instead. He is been picked almost most of the games.

Oh and for Senna, a support who can make allies camouflage, global ult, heal and damage with an extreme passive that overpowers every other champion in late game? Seriously a passive that gives bonus Range + Crits + AD at the same time from farming? What the hell is this concept of a support? Shouldn't Senna be the wife of Lucian and supportive in gameplay? shouldn't she focus on helping the allies? why would she have the best passive in game? She can have 100% crits, lifesteal, 500 Ad and 800 range in late game for free man. I saw someone like that who took full lethality and defense. Never dies, what the hell is this concept of a support?

I don't want to mention Fiora's VGU because it's rediclously frusturating to deal with and as much as I dislike AFKs, when I see my teammate rage quits fighting Fiora or Vayne, I will never put a single blame on them because fighting a champion with % true damage that gurantees to kill you no matter how much defense you invest in is borderline cancer and very toxic kit.

Even Zoe, true damage. and Sett? Ofcourse, give him Tahm's E + Garen's ult in 1 single ability! It's so fair. Oh and give him that 40% HP ultimate because why not? If he has Tahm's Kench's E mixed with Garen's ult in his W, then he may as well have even more overpowered ultimate too! Let's not forget the onhit from his passive. I saw on hit Sett who just deletes tank from punching. Why?

In past I always wanted League to be fixed from all of these frusturating kits Now, I am just hoping a new company makes an interesting game similar as Dota or League if things remain same because the Riot's balance team is borderline extremely toxic and most frusturating team I have ever encountered in gaming. Straight up unfair and making things too irritating to play against.

Don't forget that Kaisa have a shield that blocks everyone's most powerful execution, and oh god forbids if she takes Phantom, another 400 Hp Shield allowing makrmen to survive as they please.

Shall I explain what is the most frusturating thing in bot lane now?

Yummi + Any adc who builds Phantom. It's undying, extremely irritating and makes the adc 10x tanker than the actual tanks because god forbids if you dare to fight them, their Hp will always go back to full in no time, and if you manage to bring it down, they got a shield from Phantom. If you manage to chase them, they got Yummi's superior movement speed.

Is this fair? shouldn't Melees Overspeed the Marksmen to capture them? If the Marksmen can be 10x faster than Melees then how the hell is this game going to work out? Everytime I think of it, I just can't understand how they believe things like that are fine and fair for the playerbase. People clearly dislike the irritating and frustrating situations to deal with.

I've seen Jhin who has no boots, went up to 1k AD and 700 movement speed everytime he autos someone, he runs miles away. God forbids if someone dares to chase him ,1 shotted then runs away safely. Fair? Ofcourse.

Shall I talk about assassins? Yeap, look at Yi's kit. It's very fair indeed. 5 Qs pentakills late game. You can never gurantee to kill him even if he has no flash because his Q is always up, and if you dare to slow him, he is immune for slows. If you dare to tank him, god forbid because he will melt the most tanky tank in a moment. Thanks to the RIot's balance team for making such fair decisions.

Aside from Yi, I see Nocturne, Wukong or other assassins with Sanguine Blade and they go from losing lane, to a guaranteed 1 v 1 lane against anyone. What the hell is wrong with this item? Maybe I should abuse it too until they manage to make changes to it!

This is not League of Legends anymore This should be named League of Marksmen, New Supports and Assassins.

Baby Ghoul1/26/2020, 9:34:20 AM2 votes

It's really such an interesting contradiction.

Fiora and the Juggernaut reworks are what started this whole mess.

I used to be a Fiora main before the rework, and her problem was that she was the most binary champion in the game. If you could get your opponent to take a trade pre 6, then you would overwhelm them with your Q AA Q AA combo and they'd be dead. They could never catch up to you again and you could easily dive them with your ult. That lane was over and they'd be forced to build armor to survive. After that few could stop you.

This was fine in lower ELOs because they're constantly fighting. Back then there weren't as many ranged champions top either, so it was common to want to trade.

By Gold people knew not to get cheesed by Fiora early. They knew if they stuck it out through laning phase, she wouldn't spiral into a big problem. If they were truly smart, they'd pick old Malphite and just win against her by default. From behind Fiora could do nothing because she was actually just a ball of stats with a pretty ult.

That kind of design is frustrating for both the people who play her and the people who play against her. Then her rework came along and they crammed so much into her kit. She's much more dynamic now, but there's no reliable counter play when she's allowed to thrive in the meta.

HideSide1/25/2020, 10:56:51 AM2 votes

I would like to point on the thing that OP talks about and that is, that at one point the game is about stat checking meanwhile stating that champions like Akali Fiora Irelia are as frustrating to play against or more than their old self. The things is that reworked versions of them have more depth and are less about stat stick. For example Irelia, she was before just about wqe, wqe, wqe,wqeR without depth attached like how you use given spells, it was just about just use them, however you want. The same goes for Fiora and Akali. Akali just outtraded you on combo, you couldnt outplay her, you could just beat her via decision making which was also hard with certain champions since she had upper hand and also high numbers as statsticker. She just used W and then jumped at you dealing full dmg, not just Q poke, and went back.

I really think that there can be done something about game balance, but the game itself is way better right now then how it used to be ( I still remeber that 140% lifesteal sion with 800 AD 3,5 K HP and some crit chance with no bad attack speed ). The thing is that smaller things have greater impact now. When everyone was clunky then nobody was and nobody was statsticker in comparison. Whole level of gameplay moved forward, so everything seems less balanced than it was before. The whole game right now is more about details than it was before.

JayceAccount431/25/2020, 9:19:19 PM2 votes

Yeah im diamond but i still feel like the whole matchmaking system is RNG garbage. In Season 7, I used to be Masters, and when I smurfed people would know from my match history and games alone that I was a smurf. Since Rune Reforged came out however, I have yet to make it past D2. Everytime I smurf, I only make it to Plat elo with 60% or less wr. While in Season 5-7 Id make it there with 80% wr. Smurfs today also never solo their games, they always duo unless theyre playing the OP meta champions that can solo carry. Other than that, game is all RNG. The number I see every game is 2vs7, as in my team has 2 kills their team has 7, and its always around 8-10 minutes. And take a guess who wins?

RyzeRework1/24/2020, 6:44:22 PM1 votes

I'm pretty sure their older versions were more cancer. Old fiora with tiamat and ult would just get a penta kill by pressing r and flying through the enemy team untargetable. Old akali was SUPER UNFUN same champion with less skill then todays akali. And irelia they made her harder to play as well. I think the problem with irelia and akali is their kit were super busted on release and after they got toned down the community was just left with the bad taste of the op akali and irelia. By design fiora will always be the strongest duelist in the game. That's what fioras theme is.