How I justify not buying sightstone as support

Valhalla Rising·Jul 16, 2016·4 votes·864 views

1, does not automatically recharge like 2, costs 800g for only 150hp in combat stats, which could be used for better in-combat/early stats to win early trades and snowball your lane. 3, "getting vision" is dangerous as fuck, and nobody is going to support the support while they ward a few bushes, they re usually too busy powerfarming selfishly.

The only reason I need is the fact it can only recharge at base, thats just dumb af.

Its really a bad item, I dont care how quickly this gets downvoted off the face of the earth, I stay goober free.

The only downside Im willing to state is the lack of a red trink, but thats why I end up with 5-10 pinks bought per game.

23 Comments

DREADN0UGHTJul 16, 201620 votes

Next up: "how I justify not building damage as an ADC"

ViiLLAiNJul 16, 20162 votes

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Next up: "how I justify not building damage as an ADC"

im tired of getting blown up every game no one peels for me anyway ill just build tank stats u dont like it u build dmg.

DREADN0UGHTJul 16, 20161 votes

Hopefully you are being sarcastic.

YakshaJul 16, 20168 votes

I don't like pulling the rank card, but I don't even need to look up your account to know you're bronze

4th Chiming LambJul 16, 20161 votes

He's bronze.

vampirekid13Jul 16, 20167 votes

this thread should be called "how i justify being bronze 4 and in 3 years of league never getting higher than silver"

SolidPoohJul 16, 20161 votes

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this thread should be called "how i justify being bronze 4 and in 3 years of league never getting higher than silver"

Amen*[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]*

BeldairJul 16, 20164 votes

As a support here are a few reasons why I get sightstone items:

As we roam, we can ward.
The fully built gold income sight items have decent stats (eye of the equinox having 500 HP).
While my ADC, mid, and top have them busy, I can sneak off to river and ward drag, bush, and trip bush and be back in lane to lockdown my opponents to give my ADC at least 1 kill.
it recharges at base which means I can recall , get an item, and ward the river to get back to lane.
frees up trinket space for sweeper lens so I can eliminate their vision while placing my own.

twchris13579Jul 16, 20164 votes

Someones a selfish support player. Sightstone is a critical item for any team comp. Your yellow trinkets recharge time early game is HORRIBLE and the wards only last like not even 60 seconds to start with. Getting ss as early as possible will help your jungle respond to counter ganks quicker, protect your adc and you from the enemy mid lane roams and even allow you to spot the enemy jungle movements if you are smart enough to get deep wards. I am in agreement with other posters, you clearly have the mindset of a bronze player, there is a reason why you are still bronze as well and hopefully this is a wakeup call for you. I climbed to G4 as a support main this season and I'll tell you its not because I refused to buy sightstone lol.

AptestJul 16, 20161 votes

you have made the case that sight-stone is am important item.

now, why is the person who is supposed to purchase sight stone the support, rather than mid lane or jungler?

argument 1: mid lane needs stats to win lane. counter: support needs stats to win lane.

argument 2: mid lane needs stats to gank bot lane counter: support needs stats to gank mid.

argument 3: jungler needs stats to gank counter: see (2) and (1) .

[slayer-jinx-wink]

(I'll give you a hint: there actually is an answer) (hint 2: "support supposed to support jungler supposed to gank" is a dumb anwer that does not mean shit and requires no counter argument because it lacks common sense)

Jo0oJul 16, 20162 votes

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you have made the case that sight-stone is am important item.

now, why is the person who is supposed to purchase sight stone the support, rather than mid lane or jungler?

argument 1: mid lane needs stats to win lane. counter: support needs stats to win lane.

argument 2: mid lane needs stats to gank bot lane counter: support needs stats to gank mid.

argument 3: jungler needs stats to gank counter: see (2) and (1) .

[slayer-jinx-wink]

(I'll give you a hint: there actually is an answer) (hint 2: "support supposed to support jungler supposed to gank" is a dumb anwer that does not mean shit and requires no counter argument because it lacks common sense)

Warding takes time. CS takes time. Time spend warding reduces time available to get CS. Support doesn't take CS, unlike every other role. Ergo, the Support player makes the most sense for buying and using Sightstones.

USG FailsawceJul 16, 20161 votes

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you have made the case that sight-stone is am important item.

now, why is the person who is supposed to purchase sight stone the support, rather than mid lane or jungler?

argument 1: mid lane needs stats to win lane. counter: support needs stats to win lane.

argument 2: mid lane needs stats to gank bot lane counter: support needs stats to gank mid.

argument 3: jungler needs stats to gank counter: see (2) and (1) .

[slayer-jinx-wink]

(I'll give you a hint: there actually is an answer) (hint 2: "support supposed to support jungler supposed to gank" is a dumb anwer that does not mean shit and requires no counter argument because it lacks common sense)

it can't believe this post just happened...

either more troll, or more of a potato than the OP

twchris13579Jul 16, 20161 votes

If you intend to make a serious argument don't do it on an unranked account bro. Your opinion is invalid by default because of that.

ZT XperimentorJul 16, 20163 votes

I see non-support players refuse attempt to argue their points.

USG FailsawceJul 16, 20162 votes

Sightstone...doesn't get recharges?

wat
you realize that it's 150 hp AND 3 free wards every time you back, right? Can also be upgraded and integrated into your gold item. or do you not buy those either, cus they're too "gold inefficient"?
getting vision isn't dangerous as fuck if you don't have a potato for a brain. you should be able to judge what's safe (mostly), and use something called "map awareness" to figure out where the safe line is. if it's not safe, and all enemies are mia... ward next to you and back off?

or my guess is you're one of those supports who go aaalllllllllllllll the way up to enemy wolves to ward, when/where you shouldn't be - and then complains that you died and your team didnt help you. or "screw this oppressive sightstone, warding is for chumps!!!1"

EDIT: Oh I see that you're bronze 4... why did I even respond to this.

DynikusJul 16, 20162 votes

There's no justification to ever not get a sightstone as a support. All you're accomplishing is hurting your team.

Jo0oJul 16, 20162 votes

This is a joke, right? 5-10 pinks per game is 375-750 gold invested per game in what will ultimately amount to significantly less vision than one 800 gold item...

4th Chiming LambJul 16, 20162 votes

As a Support main, I'll say this: You are wrong. Sightstone isn't for combat stats, it's for warding. You redeem it's cost by using the acitve.

Using some math, you're spending about 5 gold (rounded down, I don't want to factor in a bunch of threes) per health point. Now, let's say that each ward is worth 25 G. In one full use of the sightstone, you've used up 75G of the 800 G you used to buy it. In , let's say, six full uses of the Sightstone (you should have more than six full uses), you've used 450 G of wards. That's more half the cost of the Sightstone in the amount of full uses you should have at the bare minimum. At this point, you're spending 3 gold per health point, not rounded to anything.

Yes, as a raw item, it sucks. But sight is the key to victory. Also stone.

Silly NeekoJul 16, 20161 votes

You must be new.

Sightstone is essential because after you get the gold for the sightstone, you are going to be feeling ganks. All the enemy support needs to do is grab a sightstone and red trinket and you instantly become useless very quick. Any good jungler will instantly prioritize bottom lane ganking and since level 6 for pretty much every lane except bottom is achived about the time you get 800 gold as a support..... you can see the problem there.

Yes warding can be dangerous if you are silly about it. Same as with everything in league. Warding honestly is the safest part..... clearing wards is the dangerous part.

Mecha MaIphiteJul 16, 20161 votes

Annie support detected

1 800 MID LANEJul 16, 20161 votes

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3, "getting vision" is dangerous as fuck, and nobody is going to support the support while they ward a few bushes, they re usually too busy powerfarming selfishly.

Of all your reasons that I disagree with, this is probably the worst. Warding is nowhere near as dangerous as not having enough wards - And you can never have enough wards. This is why the blue trinket is so popular.

Saying all of this is similar saying smitestone is useless because you can't cast smite on champions when you have it.

You may say that the lack of vision is fine because no one watches the map anyway. Well, YOU can change that. YOU can watch your other lanes on the map and spam ping the hell out of them to get back because the jungler is there. I do it in every single role I've played. It's never once gotten me killed or missing out on more than maybe 2 CS. That 2 CS is more than worth it for helping out your teammates.

SolidPoohJul 16, 20161 votes

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All of your points are one sided.

I'm at work so I wont reflame the points that other intelligent players have already made, but: Not only has the sightstone been the most important thing in my builds for vision, (Sometimes I'll rebuy the yellow trinket for aggressive JG pushing and retreating) but holy shit, the Ruby sightstone is seeming more and more powerful lately

PS/OP: You dont need power as a support, you need crowd control, unless you use power focused supports, which: by looking at your match history, you are doing that a bit of the time (but arent even building them right?) help your team out a little dude, I'm sure you could do better than that. Go to the wiki page for champs you use to understand how champs interact with stats.

you have 3 games with a higher Kill than death stat out of your whole recent match history, really hurting your team mates (PS: I do Gnar support, he scales better off of the Targon)

Zach SandwhichJul 16, 20161 votes

Feel like your the guy who play a "Support" like Lee sin or Veigar and builds full AD/AP. It's a lot more efficient for a support to get a sightstone as it's hella cheap which is good for support since they are low income. It also builds into a LOT of support items ( item 2303 item 2302 item 2301 ). It also allows you to pick up one of these bad boys item 3364 item 3341 to help get rid of enemy wards while you can still place wards. The thing about the junglers is that they can also buy these mamma jammas item 2043 and ward AND have a Chilling/Challenging Smite. Honestly this thread sounds more like an excuse for you to build full damage as a "Support". Note: this is all from the views of a support main.