That new champion looks absolutely infuriating to play against

Danny DeVito·Nov 3, 2017·100 votes·4,771 views

I mean like, more than Shaco levels of infuriating. Oh my god.

115 Comments

bànNov 3, 201765 votes

It's a CertainlyTrash champ sooo..it'll probably be fun to play but absolutely cancerous to play against. Welcome to League of Legends where nobody's fun matters but your own.

MelledoneusNov 3, 201732 votes

I prefer the nickname CertainlyThree.

Because three hit passives and it doesn't make me look like a jerk. :)

The ArchiveNov 3, 201719 votes

CertainlyTrue-damage.

MelledoneusNov 4, 20179 votes

Ironically only one of his champions has true damage.

The ArchiveNov 4, 20178 votes

Currently, yep. However, Zyra also had true damage on her original passive.

FairyfleurNov 4, 20175 votes

Not like he made Warwick or anything

marpatt11Nov 5, 20171 votes

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Not like he made Warwick or anything

Thats a diamond in the stack my friend. also correction, he didn't make WW, he reworked him (iirc)

FairyfleurNov 5, 20172 votes

Even so, it's his most recent champion.

And A Real HieroNov 5, 20174 votes

They put a gun to his head and made him work within restrictions.

Sire HippingtonNov 3, 201749 votes

Most of all, she sounds absolutely infuriating to play against...or with...or as...

ThryaleNov 3, 201712 votes

yeah, I don't care for the annoying modern child personality they're shooting for with her. a 90's child personality woulda been much better tbh

Spacesuit SpiffNov 4, 20175 votes

Your tank pointlessly waking someone up with an auto is my main concern with her.

Seriously, you ever try to get randos to not constantly attack everything in sight?

5050BSNov 3, 201727 votes

She was made by the guy who did Yasuo so she will be annoying OP in the the hands of anyone who has some skill and Make people AFK in the ands of really skilled players. This guy should be moved to making sound effects for Riot.

kalima994Nov 4, 20175 votes

And she will still be good enough on anyone with half a brain

FairyfleurNov 4, 20171 votes

Maybe we should wait a little bit instead? Don't forget he made warwick too, someone much more recent than Yasuo.

NineTailedMysticNov 4, 20172 votes

Warwick was a rework where he was heavily restricted.

AzadetheNov 3, 201718 votes

Keep in mind..... that the videos are based all around her playing with no hp champs, who all use their summoner's at the same time, allowing super plays.

In reality, She'll be lucky to even catch 1 summoner, and her kit actually only has one movement skill with a pretty long cooldown (that hole in the ground). Furthermore, I doubt her damage scales that strongly per auto.

In all likelihood, she's going to go a lot slower in real play, get less perfect opportunities, and her skill shotting far less accurate.

SB ArneemanNov 3, 201711 votes

I don't know about that... there is a lot of summoners burnt in teamfights, and she'll be basically impossible to escape since your flash gives her an extra flash

AzadetheNov 3, 20179 votes

The passive requires her to run on the summoner bubble, so she'll be semi choreographed, meaning team cc will probably predict her hard and kill her. Also, I'm willing to bet people will play her super squishy, so getting off super plays is probably going to be unlikely unless her entire team is based around ccing for her to abuse the passive.

Another thing you notice is.... she seems to behave like a single target mage.... That's gonna pretty much make shutting her down like shutting Ez down.

SpecterVonBarenNov 3, 201715 votes

See, the thing is, you're listing if these weaknesses and counterplay that make sense, in theory, but in practice every CT champ has been able to subvert their weaknesses once the player knows the kit.

AzadetheNov 4, 20174 votes

I think the same is true for ANY champ, given that the people who primary 1 champ generally run 60%+ on them.

There will be situations where Zoe will be annoying as heck. But it won't span the entire game, and people will learn to play against summoner/active stealing. They will opt out of building actives, and they will space out their summoners and use them only when she's not nearby, and use kits that can stalk her, like a Renek, Ekko, etc.

MordepoolNov 4, 20173 votes

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See, the thing is, you're listing if these weaknesses and counterpart that make sense, in theory, but in practice every CT champ has been able to subvert their weaknesses once the player knows the kit.

"I think the same is true for Most champs " FTFY

Mordekaiser slow and Immobile and has weakness to kiting. Lvl 1-18. Yup still weak to kiting

AzadetheNov 4, 20175 votes

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See, the thing is, you're listing if these weaknesses and counterpart that make sense, in theory, but in practice every CT champ has been able to subvert their weaknesses once the player knows the kit.

"I think the same is true for Most champs " FTFY

Mordekaiser slow and Immobile and has weakness to kiting. Lvl 1-18. Yup still weak to kiting

He's still 60+% for people who main him with the Drake sieges, possessions, and lane pushing.

MordepoolNov 4, 20172 votes

58% winrate. Diamond+ in his best role (Botlane) from the best players in the world.

You were saying

AzadetheNov 4, 20172 votes

His meta role is top, although people do play him bot.

I was saying what? As far as I can see, you don't have an account with a good history on Morde on any server, unless Mordepool isn't your main.

MordepoolNov 4, 20174 votes

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I was saying what?

You said that playing well can overcome any in-built Weaknesses of any champion, In defense of CertainlyT s design inputs.
My point was to highlight that some champions Weaknesses cannot be overcome simply due to aptitude

DuskDaUmbreonNov 4, 20173 votes

While that may be true (you simply can't make Morde not slow - except by taking Stormraider's, of course), you can learn to play around any weakness a champion has. There's always a way around a weakness - no matter what it is - assuming you know how to play the champ right.

SpecterVonBarenNov 4, 201713 votes

No, you misunderstand. A regular champ that's kitable or telegraphed will always be kitable or telegraphed, a CT champ will have something baked into its kit that allows the player to make their abilities not telegraphed or make them much harder to kite.

Take Tahm, Tahm is slow and single target focused and it doesn't matter how good you are with him, he's always got those problems, you do well with him by abusing his strengths despite his weaknesses. CT champs have weaknesses that, with enough knowledge, no longer become a problem for the player and are nulified.

x Wyvern xNov 3, 201712 votes

Aren't half of the champions in league unfair and infuriating to play against already? This is part of the Riot design rules.

ThryaleNov 3, 201710 votes

she also looks absolutely infuriating to play WITH.

I can already see she's a champ that's gonna take about 100 games before you can do anything halfway decent with her.

I also feel that she's gonna be frustrating to learn how to play too. :/

Riot, can we please have a simple mage next time? someone with some basic skills that don't take an eternity to master? Please? I'm tired of all of these high skill floor champs :/

MangelinaJolieNov 3, 20177 votes

Aurelion Sol says hi.

ninjaroxasNov 4, 20179 votes

Tailyah waves behind him

NakedGrannyNov 4, 20172 votes

Sol is the easiest though.

ThryaleNov 4, 20172 votes

sol isn't fun to play tho. really boring tbh :/ (also not as easy as you'd think too)

ninjaroxasNov 4, 20176 votes

You mean like the last 2 mages?

Bobloser3555Nov 3, 20179 votes

More anti fun than Illaoi?

ChompyWulfNov 3, 201717 votes

Illaoi is fun to play, frustrating if you blind pick a champ she dominates, but fades in late game if you play smart against her.

Bobloser3555Nov 3, 201721 votes

She is the most anti fun champ to play against IMO...I know she is not OP but in my elo she pretty much is. She is just annoying to lane against and you always have to jump through hoops all the while she is trying to teach you lessons of life....

IcyPepperNov 3, 201719 votes

you always have to jump through hoops all the while she is trying to teach you lessons of life....

Well, at least she does a good job of it.

Optimistic MetaNov 4, 201712 votes

She just cares about your education

YuGiHoNov 3, 20179 votes

well the more fustrating a champion is to play vs the harder they will be nerfed Evelynn

AL000Nov 3, 20176 votes

Pinkward will master her someday.

Rayjay RedfangNov 3, 20176 votes

Looks can be deceiving Leblanc

Iron RubricNov 3, 20175 votes

As long as they add a Mute champion button Ill live.

they really need that as a feature

NTrumpWeTrustNov 4, 20175 votes

Who cares, she's easy to make skin$ for and looks like pinnacle of power creeped mobility. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ all that matters

NakedGrannyNov 4, 20174 votes

Because this game totally needed another manic, cutesy anime loli.

I swear to god I haven't seen a female character designed without that "spunky chipper and girlish" trope in years. If I hear Talyah hooting "whoo HOOOOO!!!!" one more time, I'm going to stab Xayah while she's dancing.