Assasins building tank makes absolute sense to me when the game has been overloaded with damage

Valhalla Rising·Aug 3, 2016·11 votes·623 views

pretty much all season.

stop complaining about assassin tanks and start complaining about real super-tanks getting bursted to obvlivion.

17 Comments

MunchCrunchLunchAug 3, 20165 votes

right fun seeing a full tank trundle or malphite or any full tank building champion getting deleted in 2-4 seconds. an adc alone can kill a super tank in about 6 seconds or so. you add the rest of the team's damage and a full tank dies in 3-4 seconds. even against a full ad team as an armor stacking darius i was dying in 3 seconds or so

CerealBoxOfDoomAug 3, 20162 votes

that actually is fun

and 2-4 seconds is kindof a long time

MunchCrunchLunchAug 3, 20165 votes

{quoted}

that actually is fun

and 2-4 seconds is kindof a long time

well i hope you can grow up in these 2-4 seconds. your a lame person on these forums. you disagree with everyone here for the sake of disagreeing. derail threads into a troll shitposting thread. you provide nothing meaningful to any discussion and all you do is not helping. nobody cares about what you think. idk why you are troubled but don't bring your hate to us. go outside once in a while get a job or i guess your probably a kid on his summer break. idk go to summer school. your wasting everyone's time instead of shit-commenting for 18 hours a day here. get lost. nobody wants to hear anything you have to say. none of it has any content or context

CerealBoxOfDoomAug 3, 20161 votes

"well i hope you can grow up in these 2-4 seconds."

what makes you say this? Your argument was based upon the idea that something isn't fun. I disagreed and said I think its more fun. League is the more aggressive and fast paced alternative to other games, makes sense that tanky champs would be easier to kill here

this is a personal attack

" your a lame person on these forums."

I disagree with this too, I think I'm fucking awesome. I hope that doesn't get your panties in a bunch

this is a personal attack

"you disagree with everyone here for the sake of disagreeing."

I'd agree with more people if I posted everytime I agree with them. But consider this. You are doing exactly what you are complaining about me doing and I am actually here to agree with the OP... doesn't that mean you're the one who is doing this to ME?

this is a personal attack btw

"derail threads into a troll shitposting thread. you provide nothing meaningful to any discussion and all you do is not helping."

I'm not making you derail anything by engaging you in the definition of fun.. aren't you overreacting a little for someone who just told someone else to grow up?

This is an actual accusation and a personal attack

"nobody cares about what you think."

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DGGcdZ4KYbA/T5FeDLPuJJI/AAAAAAAACKo/2ofTef2oC0w/s640/good-good-let-the-jimmies-rustle-through-you.png

apparently someone does...

this is just a claim... with salt

"idk why you are troubled but don't bring your hate to us."

what hate are you referring to

this one is ambiguous

"go outside once in a while get a job or i guess"

I am at work... I work for myself at the moment actually

this one could go a few ways

"your probably a kid on his summer break."

Just turned 28, I can't afford to go for a masters degree yet so yeah I guess its summer break. "kid" is stretching it

this is probably a personal attack or a false statistic or it would have been 3 years ago. Most players were college age

"so I guess this idk go to summer school."

weren't you JUST talking about derailing conversations and bringing hate?

this is just salt

"your wasting everyone's time instead of shit-commenting for 18 hours a day here. get lost. nobody wants to hear anything you have to say. none of it has any content or context"

this is a personal attack

Conclusion

5 personal attack and a bunch of random swipes.

It seems like you **"disagree with everyone here for the sake of disagreeing." _ ** then try to **"derail threads into a troll shitposting thread."_ ** In this post you didn't add anything "meaningful to any discussion and all you do is not helping."

MunchCrunchLunchAug 3, 20161 votes

back at it again huh. i guess you didn't. am not gonna comment again after this. don't make this thread trash

CerealBoxOfDoomAug 3, 20161 votes

how did I make the thread trash, I just provided evidence that someone does enjoy a meta in which a trundle built full tank can die in 2-4 seconds. I feel that 2-4 seconds is a long time and mentioned this so as to suggest that this is part of what my opinion was based upon.

I'm not sure what all the personal attacks were for. I mean if you don't like my opinion you weren't actually obligated to respond at all. I was just saying that at least someone has a line of thought about the same as the OPs but rather mine was for a slightly different reason and I actually said I like the meta directly.

Summonerrr 1Aug 3, 20163 votes

{quoted}

"well i hope you can grow up in these 2-4 seconds."

what makes you say this? Your argument was based upon the idea that something isn't fun. I disagreed and said I think its more fun. League is the more aggressive and fast paced alternative to other games, makes sense that tanky champs would be easier to kill here

this is a personal attack

" your a lame person on these forums."

I disagree with this too, I think I'm fucking awesome. I hope that doesn't get your panties in a bunch

this is a personal attack

"you disagree with everyone here for the sake of disagreeing."

I'd agree with more people if I posted everytime I agree with them. But consider this. You are doing exactly what you are complaining about me doing and I am actually here to agree with the OP... doesn't that mean you're the one who is doing this to ME?

this is a personal attack btw

"derail threads into a troll shitposting thread. you provide nothing meaningful to any discussion and all you do is not helping."

I'm not making you derail anything by engaging you in the definition of fun.. aren't you overreacting a little for someone who just told someone else to grow up?

This is an actual accusation and a personal attack

"nobody cares about what you think."

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DGGcdZ4KYbA/T5FeDLPuJJI/AAAAAAAACKo/2ofTef2oC0w/s640/good-good-let-the-jimmies-rustle-through-you.png

apparently someone does...

this is just a claim... with salt

"idk why you are troubled but don't bring your hate to us."

what hate are you referring to

this one is ambiguous

"go outside once in a while get a job or i guess"

I am at work... I work for myself at the moment actually

this one could go a few ways

"your probably a kid on his summer break."

Just turned 28, I can't afford to go for a masters degree yet so yeah I guess its summer break. "kid" is stretching it

this is probably a personal attack or a false statistic or it would have been 3 years ago. Most players were college age

"so I guess this idk go to summer school."

weren't you JUST talking about derailing conversations and bringing hate?

this is just salt

"your wasting everyone's time instead of shit-commenting for 18 hours a day here. get lost. nobody wants to hear anything you have to say. none of it has any content or context"

this is a personal attack

Conclusion

5 personal attack and a bunch of random swipes.

It seems like you **"disagree with everyone here for the sake of disagreeing." _ ** then try to **"derail threads into a troll shitposting thread."_ ** In this post you didn't add anything "meaningful to any discussion and all you do is not helping."

can you guys just stop throwing ad hominem BS at each other and focus on discussing the issue the OP brought up in a civilized and respectful manner? Thanks.

Surr20plzAug 3, 20161 votes

{quoted}

well i hope you can grow up in these 2-4 seconds. your a lame person on these forums. you disagree with everyone here for the sake of disagreeing. derail threads into a troll shitposting thread. you provide nothing meaningful to any discussion and all you do is not helping. nobody cares about what you think. idk why you are troubled but don't bring your hate to us. go outside once in a while get a job or i guess your probably a kid on his summer break. idk go to summer school. your wasting everyone's time instead of shit-commenting for 18 hours a day here. get lost. nobody wants to hear anything you have to say. none of it has any content or context

2ez

RequiemsfireAug 3, 20161 votes

Well to be honest unless you threw yourself into the enemy team willy nilly you're absorbing a lot of damage for your team if that's the case giving your assassins and poke mages time to unload their combo on priority targets. Remember you're fighting a team game and a tank is meant to open a window of opportunity. You would hope your team would CC the high damage dealers so that there is a window of opportunity. Once the ADC is dead it's really really hard to kill a tank at all. Not to mention if a tank gets fed early shutting him down early is extremely hard because he builds to survive skirmishes while dealing burst with base abilities so you end up snowballing really hard.

TheOvermindAug 3, 20164 votes

Everyone just one shots everyone, damage items are obsolete, you just grab one core offensive item, full tank and the rest of the damage comes for free from masteries ...

Either rework masteries so that they give utility ( like bond of stone strength of ages, storm raider, windspeaker) and remove damage masteriies ( tld , dft , fervor)

Or remove keystones all together.

Then buff defensive items ( cuz tgey be been getting nothing but nerfs since season 5)

Summonerrr 1Aug 3, 20164 votes

Mobility creep tying into damage enabling mages to kite better than ever before isn't helping the fact that tanks are already shafted by disengage+damage if they have no gapclose to help them initiate.

ProfDrDeathAug 3, 20163 votes

The problem is not necessarily in the defense itemization, tbh - which is hardly stronger or even weaker (as in, less stats for more gold) than in S5.

Rather, the problematic part is in the fact that the mastery changes in S6 gave access to a lot of extra damage in the keystones (Fervor of Battle, Thunderlord's and Grasp being the main culprits, with Fervor and Grasp being the ones that fuel the mobile tanksassins the most). Combine that with the fact that the squishy targets are more squishy (virtually no ADC or AP mage gets defenses from masteries anymore, as the first two ranks of Resolve suck for outright defense, good amounts of Lifesteal only come very late in the builds), and you have situation where it is more beneficial for these champions to act as mobile disruptors with above average damage than to be glass cannon superhigh burst dealers.

LeeerzeichenAug 3, 20163 votes

I say every squishy is to tanky right now. ADCs get hexdrinker/streaks + black cleaver + lifesteal Mages build rod + rylais + abyssal + zhonyas + mask They are tanky enough to survive your combo and then get healed back to full hp by their soraka or Sona.

SpoofghoulAug 3, 20163 votes

It isnt just damage

there are a few things at work here, one of them is assassins having absulutley absurd base damage sometimes. Add to this the masteries and suddenly they barely need to build damage anymore.

So their burst/damaqge doesn't seem to be the problem in killing stuff therefore is an enabler of these tank builds

CC creep makes it really hard to assassinate most of these assassins deal their burst in melee range if they get hindered in their attempt and have no defense to abck it up die flatout cease to exist. tankiness allows you to persevere through that first pile of damage thrown your way and get onto the target and kill them anyway

The other reason is when tanks really do die in 3 seconds they can't function so there isnt a guy distracting and disrupting the opponents so the assassin can sneak through and do their job. Without this tank disrupting anyone the assassin is alot more noticeable and people are ready to stop him.

Nerfing some of the base damages of assassins and then make their damage more conditional like more damage to low health or isolated targets or impaired targets on their scalings. Will help as long as the base damage scales poorly into mid/lategame.

And then tanks need to get alot more tanky so they can be actual disruptors again.

Only Play DariusAug 3, 20162 votes

I tried to play glass Akali . But I couldn't get near anything without getting blown up before my second spell, so I caved in and built tank items. And won the game that way.

As annoying as tank assassins are they can't really do their job anymore building how they should.

Sire HippingtonAug 3, 20161 votes

And glasscannon assasins geting deleted duering their gapcloser animation if they don't get the perfect flank or a 1v1, which is the reason why assasins that don't have a instant gapcloser tend to go for bruiser builts while those with instant gapcloser like zed or talon go still go glasscannon.

The current damage creep lead to a 'burst or get bursted' scenario for anyone that doesn't go straight tanky or has enough range to deal damage without retaliation.