So yeah, tanks.

Apocalypsic··2 votes·652 views

I've been experiencing horrible lag lately, but I love league and I haven't stopped playing.

Any attempts at playing champs like Riv and Yas today have gone down the drain because it's so easy to be punished for even a single error. However even while lagging I was absolutely unstoppable while playing Sion and even pumped out more damage than some of my favorite damage dealers could hope to compare.

Now don't get me wrong, I think Sion is a cool champ, but this just kind of highlights how absolutely broken tanks and tank itemization are currently. I can face-roll while lagging and still carry games because of the horribly skewed state of this meta.

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Grimmrock3 votes

Allow me to go ahead and stop you here. The Tank Meta is a lie.

Your experience for pumping out damage as Sion comes from 2 things : %HP damage on your W if it survives, which means it does a shitload to tanks and alright vs carries, and secondly Sion does a shitload of damage as his kinda base point. Actually more to the point is that Sion has a really powerful early game and scales off into a tank in the late, think inverse nasus.

riven and yas are not going to perform as well because their main damage outputs are highly reliant on you being in the right place at the right time. Sions main damage output comes from people being in his general area.

Now: the tank meta. You want to know what the counter to the "Tank meta" is?

Lord Dominiks Revenge, Blade of the ruined King, any additional pen, Life steal, ranged.

If you want tank itemization to be seen as broken, you have to look at the champions that are "breaking" said itemization.

My two favorite examples are shyvana and Ekko.

Both have incredibly high damage in their kits, as both have access to %hp damage in their kits, on hits in their kits, and superb itemization these last few patches.

Lets tackle Shyvana first. As a magnificent dragon lady, she has a %HP damage modifier through her E, and a double proc on that from her Q all the while burning your health down with Burnout. these by themselves are not an issue, these in conjunction with devourer and titanic hydra is a nightmare, because she all of a sudden is tanky and blasts out your carries. this is not fun for your carries, nor should you have a shy on your team, would it be fun for theirs, that being said counter play does exist, in that her only gap closer puts her in generally terrible position and she can be kited. Hard CC boys.

Now lets look at Ekko.

Ekko has High base damage, Ekko has %hp damage, Ekko has a slow on the 3 hit proc that includes spells, Ekko has a speed up on to of that passive application, He has a soft or hard CC in his W, and a great escape or burst combo with his Ult. the reason "Tank Itemization" is broken on this champion is because his kit allows him to build pure defenses and still have an exceptional damage output, you cannot run, you cannot kite. this is intrinsic to his kit. not to tank items. tank items allow him to do something that low base damages and high scaling would fix in about 3 minutes, simply put until his base damages get reduced and either the slow or speed up from his passive get removed as well as reducing the overall %hp damage values in his kit. I know that sounds like gutting, but it forces him to build utility mage assassin, and not utility mage assassin tank carry.

let me reiterate. tanks who do not have the mobility or constant application of short CC slows are not broken with their items, frankly they barely hold on in usefulness, and in fact are somewhere around the concept of "What if a support had gold" they are easily countered because by their very nature they are slow kitable, cc machines that have to burn their entire kits to hold you down for around 3 seconds, and that's if everything goes down flawlessly. They are easily taken down through kiting and the use of the items adc's and Melee carries were specifically given to counter tanky champions, the black cleaver, the blade of the ruined king, the lord dominiks revenge, and on top of that the use of steraks so a tank doesn't even really burst for balls vs life steal that a carry goes for anyways.

Its champions that abuse utility and damage centrist kits that appear to break tank items, because they can abuse their kit until they die. ever seen a Sion fight a Volibear while both are full tank? nothing happens, for like 5 minutes, try a volibear vs a tank ekko, ekko wins in about 15 seconds.

Im copying this to make another thread because the tank meta is a myth. what we have are exploitative kits being revealed to do exploitative things. please note that this is not a rant, or a holier than thou art preaching session, you could legitimately be experiencing tank items to be more oppressive than you thought they were, but let me be clear, sion is an uber tank who does damage by simply not dying, and then does more damage when he does. its entirely possible to outdamage a carry if the enemy lets you do sion things.

GenghisEmo1 votes

Im not sure tanks are the real issue. I think champs with great kits and ability to burst hard are the issue and building tank on em is great because the can still burst while no building much damage.

Apocalypsic1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mr Broken Wings,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NgwHMWXY,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-04-16T04:13:28.914+0000)

http://matchhistory.euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUW1/2607447614/31012922?tab=overview embrace the tank riven

I played her tanky in some ranked games to good effect, but then my last two games I got hardcamped playing her and I'm kinda afraid to pull it out again.

Mr Broken Wings1 votes

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I played her tanky in some ranked games to good effect, but then my last two games I got hardcamped playing her and I'm kinda afraid to pull it out again.

Well at least with a tank build your chances are higher to survive, right? Either way who cares if you get camped, camping toplane is shit anyway in 90% of the times for the enemy jungler if you ward properly.

Apocalypsic1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mr Broken Wings,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NgwHMWXY,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2016-04-16T06:14:37.571+0000)

Well at least with a tank build your chances are higher to survive, right? Either way who cares if you get camped, camping toplane is shit anyway in 90% of the times for the enemy jungler if you ward properly.

Well I survived most of the ganks, but I got put so far behind from constantly being forced to back. It sucked nuts that my jungler was Yi so there was no early game pressure against Kindred.

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