Press the Attack is not a suitable replacement for Fervor for like 90% of the toplane roster.

Apocalypsic·Nov 10, 2017·70 votes·4,190 views

Playing top lane feels like dogshit right now and its awful to play a bruiser or a slayer....

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SalsonNov 11, 201720 votes

Yup, Marksman get a self buff Rune. Bruisers get Runes to support them.

The Balance team is a joke.

EternalShockNov 10, 201714 votes

because bruisers havent been this bad for over 3 seasons >

it just gets worse and worse for that class and riot will never ever give a flying fuck .

ive tried everything, messaging support, asking the balance team to take an IQ test.

nothing works.

bruisers will not be allowed to have fun ever as long as riot are riding adcs like a fucking dog.

janna/lulu/soraka are proof of that.

all 3 counter melee bruisers and riot thinks its fine.

tristana/xayah/twitch

all 3 shit on melees in teamfights and 2 of them have cancerous escapes and forms of self peel.

ResolutionNov 11, 20171 votes

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ive tried everything, messaging support, asking the balance team to take an IQ test.

nothing works.

You might want to rethink your strategy if you actually want them to actually address you. I'm amazed you didn't get flagged for a report from that alone.

Calling the people who are there to help you idiots isn't solving anything.

Bronze 6 YasuoNov 10, 201711 votes

RIP Darius he needs some major buffs. He's sitting at a 46% win rate.

ApocalypsicNov 10, 201710 votes

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RIP he needs some major buffs. He's sitting at a 46% win rate.

I'm pretty sure Garen is stronger than him now...

starelementpokeNov 11, 20179 votes

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I'm pretty sure Garen is stronger than him now...

As a Garen main, you know something is fucked up when his win rate is higher than Darius .

Smitty ManjensenNov 11, 20171 votes

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I'm pretty sure Garen is stronger than him now...

Finally

RankOneUgandaNov 11, 20172 votes

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I'm pretty sure Garen is stronger than him now...

yes. can't believe am saying this but garen is stronger now. which isn't saying a lot about garen he isn't that good of a champion

KinnikukoNov 11, 20172 votes

I new something was fishy when garen was beating me in lane

SlashStrikerNov 10, 201710 votes

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Playing top lane feels like dogshit right now and its awful to play a bruiser or a slayer....

Bonus Damage from Press the Attack is applied only once every 6 seconds. During this 6 seconds you get 12% increased damage This seems really weak and I doubt it will benefit anyone

And by Slayers i think you mean Skirmishers Assassins and Skirmishers are Slayers Assassins = Burst Skirmishers = DPS

LankPantsNov 11, 20175 votes

This seems really weak and I doubt it will benefit anyone

It's one of the strongest runes in its use case. Throw it on someone with a quick proc like Shyvana, Renekton or Urgot and it just dumpsters people. Its biggest problem isn't that it's too weak, its that it's too variable. Put PtA on Urgot and he's unstoppable with a permanent 12% damage increase and a 1 sec proc. Put it on Fiora and it really doesn't do that much at all.

nice tableNov 11, 20172 votes

press the attack is quite shit on renekton and pretty much everything else, ~~the rune seems like a noob trap~~ some champions are forced into it even though its horrible

PB4UAMENov 11, 20173 votes

Urgot has to hit his Q or E before his W will target a champ, so he has to use 1 or both of his damaging abilities before he can get the bonus damage, plus at least 1-3 of his shotguns in triggering the proc, so almost all of his burst is already gone by the time he gets the damage amp, and it certainly takes more than 1 second. Can we not spread lies and hyperbole?

Pierce The VealNov 11, 20173 votes

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Urgot has to hit his Q or E before his W will target a champ, so he has to use 1 or both of his damaging abilities before he can get the bonus damage, plus at least 1-3 of his shotguns in triggering the proc, so almost all of his burst is already gone by the time he gets the damage amp, and it certainly takes more than 1 second. Can we not spread lies and hyperbole?

This. No bruisers benefit from press the attack. For two simple reasons:

Most can proc it as fast as Mr/Ms attack 2-2.5 times a second.
It's a % damage increase unlike fervor which was a flat damage increase. 12% of ADC's critting in your face for 1000-2000 damage is 120-240 damage. 12% of bruisers dealing 200 damage per auto is 24 damage. Pitiful.

I'm sticking to grasp of the undying for bruisers nowadays. At least you can get several hundred to a thousand plus bonus health.

GayFluffyUnicornNov 11, 20173 votes

Worst part is now that PtA doesn't even benefit you much when getting ganked or in teamfights since the dmg amp doesn'T carry over to a new target. With fervor stacks full i atleast was a threat to other targets as well. It#s one big fucking joke from riot to remove fervor and give the respective keystone to every other fuckin class in this game.

Pierce The VealNov 11, 20173 votes

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Worst part is now that PtA doesn't even benefit you much when getting ganked or in teamfights since the dmg amp doesn'T carry over to a new target. With fervor stacks full i atleast was a threat to other targets as well. It#s one big fucking joke from riot to remove fervor and give the respective keystone to every other fuckin class in this game.

Yeah it honestly really is. It's now 100% an adc keystone.

SlappindaBassNov 10, 20176 votes

yea ADC have way to much, and they ruin the items for the top laners that aren't tanks, speaking of tanks good luck up there now that they have crazy amounts of health armor and the over the top 15% attack speed buff, i am assuming as you put it slayers (melee auto attackers) should of gotten the 15% attack speed because without ferver they are complete crap up there, some bruisers can manage but good luck with fighters/slayers (trundle trydimere, aatrox, yi etc)

it won't improve until they lower base stats on ADC (and they just buffed them all smh) or start being serious about creating melee only items.

ApocalypsicNov 10, 20173 votes

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yea ADC have way to much, and they ruin the items for the top laners that aren't tanks, speaking of tanks good luck up there now that they have crazy amounts of health armor and the over the top 15% attack speed buff, i am assuming as you put it slayers (melee auto attackers) should of gotten the 15% attack speed because without ferver they are complete crap up there, some bruisers can manage but good luck with fighters/slayers (trundle trydimere, aatrox, yi etc)

it won't improve until they lower base stats on ADC (and they just buffed them all smh) or start being serious about creating melee only items.

Riven as well only works now as an assassin running electrocute. Slayer/Bruiser build is dead, and press the attack doesn't work with her combo based playstyle, taking her toplane right now might as well be a meme, she's better off in the mid and jungle...

EternalShockNov 10, 20173 votes

actually no lol.

ive been using aftershock riven top with the normal cleaver rush into deaths dance and its been working fine for me in laning.

shes not bad in terms of her build but rather her ability to get cced and kited by braindead adcs/supports in teamfights that last 4 seconds because kogmaw/twitch are critting for 700

this coming from a 3 years high elo riven 1 trick.

ApocalypsicNov 10, 20174 votes

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actually no lol.

ive been using aftershock riven top with the normal cleaver rush into deaths dance and its been working fine for me in laning.

shes not bad in terms of her build but rather her ability to get cced and kited by braindead adcs/supports in teamfights that last 4 seconds because kogmaw/twitch are critting for 700

this coming from a 3 years high elo riven 1 trick.

The bottom part has always been true, and yeah I've run aftershock on her and every game im against someone beefy all I can think is "man this would be so free with fervor." Bruiser build is very very noticeably weaker.

JustARivenMainNov 11, 20171 votes

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actually no lol.

ive been using aftershock riven top with the normal cleaver rush into deaths dance and its been working fine for me in laning.

shes not bad in terms of her build but rather her ability to get cced and kited by braindead adcs/supports in teamfights that last 4 seconds because kogmaw/twitch are critting for 700

this coming from a 3 years high elo riven 1 trick.

Phase rush is top notch for me tbh, trade and get out, or keep close when you all in, aswell as being pretty beefy full build and able to not worry about overcapping CDR, but there's different playstyles for all.

Linna ExcelNov 10, 20171 votes

I think riven players are playing Aery as well.

ApocalypsicNov 10, 20171 votes

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I think riven players are playing Aery as well.

I'm also aware of this, but feel its a bandaid for laning phase and doesn't scale very well later into the game. It's not a suitable replacement for fervor either.

Tychusfindlay918Nov 11, 20173 votes

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I'm also aware of this, but feel its a bandaid for laning phase and doesn't scale very well later into the game. It's not a suitable replacement for fervor either.

Riven didnt get cucked anywhere near as hard as darius, but yeah, times are revealing themselves to be dark for a lot of the non tank top lane roster

doubleguacNov 11, 20176 votes

Ya, strongly agree. It's especially frustrating because it feels like Bruisers spent the majority of last season out of the spotlight. I was really hoping runes would be good for them.

PhDs NutsNov 11, 20176 votes

Bruisers are shit atm. The runes give tanks bruiser-level damage while still building tanky. %HP strikes again.

TheAceInShadesNov 11, 20176 votes

bruisers didn't get enough ad buffs to justify them building more tank and didn't get enough tank buffs to justify building more damage to make up for losing both.

lojicianNov 11, 20176 votes

Riot has literally never given half a shit what it feels like to play a bruiser top. Why would they start now?

RequiemsfireNov 10, 20173 votes

Kled is a particular example since his key is combo oriented so he won't be able to take full advantage of the weakened enemy because of his W cooldown early on.

ApocalypsicNov 10, 20174 votes

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Kled is a particular example since his key is combo oriented so he won't be able to take full advantage of the weakened enemy because of his W cooldown early on.

Exactly! I just feel as a whole melee tops that don't rely fully on autoing as primary damage sources (looking at you Irelia) suffered immensely this patch.

TwitchInMyPantsNov 10, 20172 votes

Are you a liar or something? Have you played champions like Kled, Fiora or Urgot? Anyone who wants to chase and auto is doing crazy damage with this thing.

Bruisers should be using Electrocute, Grasp or Aftershock if they can't stick enough, but anyone who was using Fervor before that I can think of is doing way more damage. Jax is doing more damage, Irelia is doing more damage, Camille is doing more damage... anyone who can't use this thing likely sucked with Fervor anyway. And keep in mind this increases ALL FORMS OF DAMAGE, meaning if you dash and get some autos off any followup abilities will wreck harder.

SalsonNov 11, 20175 votes

The problem with it is that it's 12% from all souces. I would trade that for 15% from my champ only any day of the week.

Hell, I'll actually go Press the Attack Leona the first autofill I get. Sounds busted as a support mastery.

EschetonNov 11, 20175 votes

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The problem with it is that it's 12% from all souces. I would trade that for 15% from my champ only any day of the week.

Hell, I'll actually go Press the Attack Leona the first autofill I get. Sounds busted as a support mastery.

Played it, hella fun.

SpiritOfOdysseusNov 11, 20171 votes

I hate press the attack for that in itself, you get it and sure its good but it also decreases your personal outplay potential because it RAISES your teammates damage. What happens when that happens? Your team start waiting until the enemy is 10% or lower hp to use their damage spell while youre the one being focused and doing the most DPS to the enemy. So "You have slain an enemy" becomes "An enemy has been slain" "Double kill!" "Triple kill!" "Quadra!"

Sona: Gg ez support sona op I totally needed that gold that I stole from my X laner

SpiritOfOdysseusNov 11, 20172 votes

You want to know why you see more damage? Because literally EVERYTHING is doing more damage. You make it sound like its only a select few TOPLANERS that are getting better damage off when in REALITY so is every other class. The problem with that is Top lane is the most countered lane of all, so yeah it sounds good that X top laner is doing better damage, but that is totally thrown out the window considering Y mid laner, Z bot laner, and W jungle are all doing more ~~+more reliable~~ damage

DragonSheaNov 11, 20172 votes

I'd say that Press the attack should grant AD or AP like it formerly did and then allow you to deal 12 or maybe 10% more damage.

RexxieeNov 11, 20172 votes

Yep riven is unplayable against any tankier target top lane because no fervor.

SpiritOfOdysseusNov 11, 20172 votes

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!! Fervor was so key on MANY fighters, bruisers, juggernauts, and even off-tanks alike. Now we get shafted YET AGAIN with no viable damage options that an ADC can only use better than melee champions.

But! There is one thing that we can expect from Riot addressing this bias towards melee....

UTTERLY NOTHING.

They will read every single topic on the boards but have you EVER noticed as soon as it involves melee champions that it NEVER gets a response from Riot regardless of whether it has 5 or 500 upvotes? Never, EVER have I seen riot even DENY that the accusations about them shafting melee champions that aren't straight assassins (yas, yi, zed)

Mos Deadly98Nov 11, 20171 votes

Yi was actually broken as sin last patch. I had a 70% winrate on him. You just had to play him top with crit. Too bad he got absolutely fucking shat on this patch unless you play him perfectly like i do now.

XeroKimoNov 11, 20172 votes

Press the attack is only more effective than fervor at around 400 ad....... that's only in a 1 v 1 situation as it only procs on 1 target, and the 1 v 1 would probably be over within 6 seconds......

Aside from that, yea, it sucks for any dps top laners

DuskDaUmbreonNov 11, 20171 votes

Except you're also forgetting the 12% increased damage. That alone makes it far stronger than Fervor if you play it right.

Take someone like Yasuo , for instance. Fervor, all you would do is gain AD, right? Even after 4 hits (for 8 stacks), you just gained some AD. So you stack your 64 AD up, and you gain 96 damage on your ultimate (200 / 300 / 400 (+ 150% bonus AD)). Let's say you have a total of...oh...300 AD (a bit on the high end, but whatever). That's 775 damage after Fervor is fully stacked.

Meanwhile, let's look at Press the Attack. At first, you only have 679 damage output. 12% increase gives you ~760 damage...Maybe I should have gone with an ultimate that didn't scale with 150% of your bonus AD. Ah well...But hang on, you've still got that 12% increase from all sources. That means from everyone, you, your mid, your ADC, your jungler...

XeroKimoNov 11, 20171 votes

Which is why I'm saying explicitly for 1 v 1s, in team fights, your overall damage will be lower, since you can only apply it to 1 target at a time, like vayne's W, and you can't reapply it until the effect is over, untested, but maybe if the target dies too, you can start reapplying it.

It's definitely useful, if you proc'd it on a tank, and everyone focused him, but if you can't focus a target at all, you won't reap any benefits from this rune

Lord of MathNov 11, 20172 votes

What happened to the endlessly stacking AD/AP on it?

FCJAAAAGOOOONov 11, 20172 votes

Press the Attack isn't the best thing ever, at least I doubt it is. It's great on tanks that can dive. AD Casters have options, mostly in Domination and Inspiration.

Man no matter what you do playing as Renekton feels like being unable to reach the cookie jar. Everyone has so much peel now. Build BORK + BC, lethality, whatever. Take Glacial Shroud even. You'll never be able to stick to targets lol. Don't get me wrong, I think he's great.

lolipopevelynnNov 11, 20172 votes

fervor sucked compared to PTA, i have no idea what you guys are smoking. its 12% dmg from ALL SOURCES.

ApocalypsicNov 11, 20172 votes

Bruisers lost so much without fervor. Press the attack only works best on purely or mostly auto attack oriented champs.

Riven, Darius, Renekton, Fiora, and a significant number of other toplaners are all gutter trash now compared to before.

Not to mention fervor allowed YOU to do more damage to your enemy and PTA only breaks even on that with very high AD values,

Without Fervor most bruisers are shit out of luck fighting tanks as well.

I don't want to be a support bot for my team and I don't want to be pigeon holed into building an electrocute assassin build just to operate in this game.

Either Riot needs to rework PTA, find some way to bring fervor back, or they need to seriously buff the affected parties.

Something's got to give because this is not alright.

CarameI FrappeNov 11, 20172 votes

Seems like as if the balance team is biased and only thought about their favorite classes (aka Marksman) while top laners get dog crap and have to play champs like Shen Poppy Maokai with tank runes to even stand a chance ... even then it's pretty sad.