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Botlane and the game in general has never seen this much diversity in a long time.

Apocalypsic·6/13/2018, 9:56:03 PM·151 votes·21,952 views

Please don't make crit ADC's mandatory again. For real, I don't think most of us care that the class isn't seeing play.

Maybe you need to rethink the whole "right click to win class" as a whole. It seems if they're not completely overbearing and overpowered then they don't see play.

I for one think this new meta of double bruiser bot, double support bot, double mage bot, melee adc with support, mage with support, jugg with support, and further stuff like that is far better than the previous age of mandatory Marksman + traditional support combo.

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Malak6/13/2018, 10:06:04 PM50 votes

I don't want ranged adcs to be removed from the game or something but those changes were good and I hope they dont buff adcs again just because some people are crying about it

TekkenPlayer6/13/2018, 10:07:20 PM30 votes

While bot lane diversity has increased, it's nothing but a fiesta of kill lanes with cc locking. That's even more cancerous than the old bot lane since everyone is just playing stuff with high base damages and lockdown. There's no real reason to play crit ADCs anymore because games end so quick. Four manning bot lane is even much stronger since people are picking champions that are self reliant and can synergize easier with supports. The midlaner now has to secure bot lane even more since the kill potential is just sky high. This leaves only assassins and roamers to be the only ones that are really consistent, which is why we introduced this abomination Irelia for most people midlane. Nothing solved the "attack the botlane strategy" from the jungler either, and traditional ADCs are not even remotely useful in some cases.

This is coming from someone that disliked the crit ADCs and egirl mule supports in general

dim2a6/13/2018, 10:01:39 PM16 votes

Yes, this. Normally I'd just upvote, but I so agree that I'm posting that I agree :)

The Yetii Rider6/14/2018, 2:15:27 AM14 votes

I too welcome our new bot lane overlords.

Nankyoku6/14/2018, 9:57:51 AM14 votes

Yeah as a supp main I'm so glad that Irelia/Yasuo/Darius/Camille gets to delete me without even using tp now.

Smitty Manjensen6/14/2018, 6:56:33 AM13 votes

People see ADC gutted and immediately say the game is better, meanwhile as someone pointed out, bot lane is even more cancer with the kill lanes and ganks which happen even more. Congratulations people, your whining brought us from one cancer to an even bigger cancer. Can't wait for you all to realize it and then to start spamming the forums with "nerf fighters" or something.

JohnnyNeverSins6/14/2018, 6:39:34 AM12 votes

I'm glad that there's "diversity",what I feel sad about is the fact that there was the "need" to destroy the ADC role and now no one plays...people just play bruisers because adcs suck and not because there is "diversity"...

Meep Man6/14/2018, 12:05:43 AM11 votes

The class' players care it isn't seeing play. However, I don't think partially reverting the nerfs is the solution to letting ADCs return to the game. We need to do one of two things, and that's:

  • Buff the Crit ADCs individually to further emphasize their late game strength or buff their farming capabilities to help them survive the early game

OR

  • Provide better tools for stalling a game to allow Crit ADCs to get to their unstoppable late game
ModCaptainMårvelous6/14/2018, 3:01:28 AM10 votes

If anything, I don't think ADCs need all that many buffs.

Yeah yeah I get it "OH SO YOU THINK THE ADC REWORK WAS FINE HUH" Well relax for a bit. The thing is game pace is faster than ADC scaling is. By delaying the crit powerspike to around 3-ish items/30+ minutes, you end up in a situation where you don't always win...and you know what? That's perfectly fine. If anything, it makes a great strategy: Do you play a bruiser-bot and rush to win asap or do you pick an ADC and play for the long game, knowing you'll have the edge late game?

If the game state slows down I think ADCs will return and they'll do fine. Likewise, there are other ways you can buff ADCs without just reverting their power. (For example, towers being tankier will make ADCs more necessary as they can siege objectives). What I'd rather not have Riot do is just blanket-revert and give ADCs a huge chunk of their power back. Riot should just let the meta stabalize for a bit, see where the adcs are struggling and make changes in that capacity rather than rush to revert.

You know, the thing they did with Baron.

Hellmaximus16/14/2018, 4:33:02 AM9 votes

I like diversity, however I don't diversity at the cost of an already established diverse botlane with over 20+ different adcs and 20+ different supports both of them have their own unique play styles.

As anyone who played in season 5 can tell you, diversity at the cost of a already established game environment leads to unfun chaos where you lose game in champion select because one of your teammates failed to ban X champion and you lose, not because of skill but because the champion you played was so severely underpowered that the enemies champions roll on you.

The only people who enjoy this meta are those who skills are so inferior that they need some unfair edge to beat their opponent. (top/mid mains losing games in there lane so they play their champions in botlane and stomp on the laughably weak adcs)

Support's don't have fun, Adc mains don't have fun, these player who honed their skills for their roles get stomped without a fighting chance unless they also go toplane/midlane champions who they have little if any experience playing.

Senpai Noticed U6/14/2018, 12:14:05 PM7 votes

In bot lane? Maybe. Not overall. It has a good way to go to see variety/diversity as a whole in the LCK and LPL.

LCK Summer 2018 has seen 56 champs so far. http://www.gamesoflegends.com/tournament/stats.php?id=LCK%20Summer%202018

LCK Spring 2018 has seen 85. http://www.gamesoflegends.com/tournament/stats.php?id=LCK%20Spring%202018

**LPL Summer: **58 **LPL Spring: **96

Currently sitting at 141.

By nerfing the ADC in this manner, you are really indirectly removing a good portion of the eSports fan base. I wonder how the NFL and MLB would be if they removed the pitcher role, the quarterback, or goalies from the World Cup? I mean, it gets boring when a good goalie keeps stopping the other team from scoring. Let's just get rid of it. /kappa

The game rarely takes any strategic planning now. It's just a clown fiesta, much like the decision to make MSI a volatile Round Robin. But I guess that's what Riot wants and the casters just eat it up because they get to spend more time screaming now. Much like their Aatrox rework. Let's make everything volatile so we can finally see our golden child, the NA region actually win Worlds for once right?

I feel like the people who like this change are the ones that play Call of Duty just for Nuketown.

eaglei36/14/2018, 2:53:28 PM5 votes

While bot Lane has more diversity, I disagree on the game in general having more diversity right now. Instead the "diversity" is trying to figure out which lane Yasuo, Vlad, Darius, Irelia and a few others are going in. Too me it is strange that there is a set of strong champions that are being picked in any lane cause their tier of power is so much higher than the rest of the cast.

NekoniClaws6/14/2018, 5:50:13 AM5 votes

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This is as diverse as an 80's family sitcom.

rtbf2234347216/14/2018, 8:49:22 AM4 votes

Maybe you need to rethink the whole "right click to win class" as a whole. It seems if they're not completely overbearing and overpowered then they don't see play.

Ashe Azir Caitlyn Jax Jinx Kaisa Kalista Kayle KogMaw MasterYi Sivir Teemo Tristana Trundle Tryndamere Twitch Udyr Varus Vayne Xayah Yasuo

Riot, good luck reworking the whole "right click to win class" as a whole. It seems if they're not completely overbearing and overpowered then they don't see play.

Thefrostyviking6/14/2018, 8:10:43 AM4 votes

I do personally not think any great buffs are needed.

But games need to be extended so they can actually scale up and be relevant, apparently game times right now are like 18-25 minutes on average.

Marksmen have a power curve that starts spiking at 25 min unless fed.

This early game rush kills off the identities of midgame and even more so, lategame champs leaving only early game to really shine :(

So if snowball was reduced and .....and possibly damage reduced then marksmen would have time to be relevant, other lategame and midgame champs would have solid points to shine as the definition of what they do and their powerspikes would be easier to identify.

Instead we are trying to cram 25-40 minutes worth of time into a ~22 minutes rush and it hurts more than marksmen <.<

Attticus Finch6/14/2018, 6:01:08 AM4 votes

There is no "non-marksman" meta though. Look at statistics. In high ELO the only non-marksmen that are getting any kind of play bot lane is Morde and Yasuo, and they're both at like 2% play-rates which isn't really that great. There is a higher lane diversity in low ELO, but that's a mental change not a meta one- people are CHOOSING to play non-marksmen bot now and because it's low ELO where anything is viable and the playerbase doesn't understand how to play against something like Jax/Lulu or a Pantheon murderlane it works a fair amount of the time. Meanwhile in pro play the team comps are the same as always with marksmen bot/mage mid/tanks and play-makers top/jungle.

Nerfing crit marksmen thus far hasn't actually made non-marksmen viable bot lane, at least not at the levels of play that count. All nerfing crit marksmen really did was elevate non-crit Marksmen to hyper-meta status. Lucian, MF, Ezreal and Kai'sa absolutely shit all over the lane right now and will dominate any melee champ or mage just as easily as they would traditional marksmen.

The goal was to make marksmen not mandatory and open the role up for mages and bruisers to compete, but what actually happened is that marksmen are still mandatory bot lane, just with the list of viable picks being condensed down to like 4.

dogehkiin6/14/2018, 10:08:46 AM3 votes

Wait until marksmen playerbase realizes that they can use 0% crit builds (guinsoo, botrk/lethality) and that ranged beats melee in lane if they abuse their range instead of never kiting or going into melee range of a Mordekaiser.