Giving smite health on every camp was a huge balance mistake in my eyes

ValyrianBlade··1 votes·368 views

Now literally every jungler in the game can gank at level 3 without basing.

It doesn't matter how much I outplay my lane opponent in the early laning phase. In the best case scenario where he completely screws up all I can do is kill him and get killed in return by the enemy jungler.

In the normal case, I can get him to about 1 rotation of cooldowns from dead when the enemy jungler shows up.

This would be fine if it was one of the junglers renowned for early pressure. You get a Lee Sin jungle, an Elise, a Shaco, etc... then fine. You play a different game. You don't go quite as HAM so early because you expect an early gank.

Then you get a Shyvanna? An Amumu? Even a Skarner? All ganking at level 3? Since when?

These are junglers that weren't supposed to be able to do this. These were the junglers I could go aggressive against my lane opponent in the early levels and build a lead so I could 1v2 when they were able to come gank.

Now that literally every jungler can healthily come to lane to gank at 3, it's a serious problem. The better jungler has decided about 90% of my last 20 games. It doesn't matter if one team has 4 better laners, the team with the better jungler wins. Their early pressure is WAY too safe. If you want a level 3 gank, it should either be on a specialized jungler or it should be a risk that I could turn and kill you when you show up at 1/3 health. It doesn't work that way though - I have wards down but I can't turn and kill a full health jungler who has a level on me...

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420 grams2 votes

Maybe have someone on your team also jungle?

Verxint1 votes

As it is right now, they need to make Krugs not gamebreaking before they can say if level 3 ganks are too strong.

ValyrianBlade1 votes

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As it is right now, they need to make Krugs not gamebreaking before they can say if level 3 ganks are too strong.

Fair enough. I think the problem is that they're ganking at level 3 before I have my full kit to defend the gank with.

J4 missing either my W or my E. That's either my gap-closer to escape or my shield with a slow.

Quinn missing my W. That's the vision I use before tower diving my opponent or generally overextending. Just typically I can hit 3 to use it before I get ganked...

BluePolarizer1 votes

right click towards your turret if a Shyvana/Skarner shows up. Amumu - dodge the Q then right click towards turret.

Shyvana could gank at level 3 with full HP before. She just isn't that good at actually pulling off the gank without exhaust.

ValyrianBlade1 votes

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right click towards your turret if a Shyvana/Skarner shows up. Amumu - dodge the Q then right click towards turret.

Shyvana could gank at level 3 with full HP before. She just isn't that good at actually pulling off the gank without exhaust.

I'm complaining that aggressive laners who go for kills at level 3 are getting ganked by junglers who normally wouldn't be there.

I'm planning to have them under tower, hit 3 on the next wave, get a kill and get out with ~25% health left. Even a skarner or shyvanna will ruin that plan.

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