Sion needs to be 100% Physical Damage + AD Scalings

Kingsgrave·Oct 12, 2014·3 votes·856 views

Why does he have AP scaling and magic damage on his W and E? Especially when his E lowers Armor by 20%

At least make his W be the magic damage + AP ability and his E the physical damage + AD ability.

Something like:

W: Soul Furnace

Shield Strength and Shield Damage AP ratios increased to 70% each from 40% each

E: Roar of the Slayer

40% AP ratio replaced with a 25% Bonus AD ratio (60% AP when minion to 50% AD when minion)
Damage changed to Physical Damage from Magic Damage
Damage lowered to 60/95/130/165/200 from 70/105/140/175/210

13 Comments

Sweet TennesseeOct 13, 20145 votes

Because most utility spells tend to be AP instead of AD because Riot mainly wants it to be utility instead of strong utility. Imagine Fiora reposite or Panth stun if it scaled on AD and how much an ass it would be to lane against.

KingsgraveOct 13, 20141 votes

Except unlike Pantheon, Sion's E doesn't do 50/75/100/125/150 damage only. Also, 1 second stun + a gap closer is more of a burst move than a utility one. Pantheon already has 2 abilities with no real counterplay that do almost instant burst, giving him 3 would be insane. Mostly same argument for Fiora.

I don't think this really applies to Sion honestly.

7ha7guy777Oct 12, 20141 votes

it might be because the abilities do magic damage

ducking fizzOct 13, 20142 votes

No. Ex. Darius Darius passive is magic damage and scales off ad. Shyvana Shyvannas W is magic damage and scales off ad.

DrukyulOct 12, 20141 votes

Corki would like to have a word with you.

(I don't disagree, it's just this isn't the first time for Riot. Probably won't be the last.)

wolfaxOct 13, 20142 votes

They scale these high utility abilities with AP. It's usually worthless but is a tiny incentive to build something like Triforce sometimes. The main point of using Sion's E is not damage, it's for the slow/armor shred.

Abilities with high base ratios also tend to scale on AP since they want to provide a power spikes to the champions that use ithem in the early game, but they want the damage to fall off late game.

They don't do pure 100% AD scaling on everything for a reason.

KingsgraveOct 13, 20141 votes

thats why the damage increases by 50% if you hit them with a minion right?

wolfaxOct 13, 20143 votes

No, that's because they want to make it more worthwhile to try hitting the enemy with a minion. It's not meant to be a major source of damage in hit kit.

KhristophorosOct 13, 20141 votes

Probably because he's supposed to be an autoattacking tank, not an AD caster.

wolfaxOct 13, 20141 votes

The high utility abilities like Sion's E (armor shred and slow) tend to scale off AP because they don't want it being a major source of damage. They also want to provide a tiny bit more incentive to build something like Triforce on certain champions.

Blade of JusticOct 13, 20141 votes

I'm surprised that Riot decided to keep in Sion's shield when Riot was the ones that complained about how "It must be so hard to press W and stand next to someone."

tempname41567489Oct 13, 20141 votes

His "ap scaling" is only a .4 ratio on both W and E. Not something to call home about and build AP, but something to at least get some benefit from additional AP on items.
The bonus for having 2 forms of magic damage on W and E is that its harder to itemize against sions damage. The drawback is not being able to optimize yourself with things like black cleaver getting the shred stacks on all abilities and benefiting all your abilities.

Its a fair tradeoff, personally I agree with OP somewhat I would prefer sion to be able to benefit from black cleaver + tank. Currently he is in a weird spot not really wanting to itemize anything but tank.

KingsgraveOct 13, 20141 votes

Well thats .8 total Ap ratio from W and .6 from your E, so around 1.4. (140%) Not something to call home about it or something to make you want to build AP primarily, but its nice.

I honestly believe that its weird for his E to do magic damage with AP scaling and reduce Armor. I think it should AD + Physical and just leave the magic damage + AP scaling to his W.