Merge Banner of Command and Ohmwrecker

RookPusher··3 votes·240 views

Both Banner and Ohm are taken infrequently and at this point the should be merged, with some of the benefits of each cut out. Because both items are currently considered niche, I thought it would be smart to streamline them to both be balanced, but also to give them some champ diversity which would make it an option for more champs. Here's what I'm thinking:

  1. Keep the Active of Banner and Keep Ohms Point Runner. Ohms active wasn't incredibly useful in the current game, and it was a bit more brainless than trying to execute an intelligent promotion for making gold/psuhing.

  2. Both have a 10% CDR, and armor. The armor had a +10 disparity so hedge the bets and give them its +55 armor. That's 5 more than Ohm, and 5 less than Banner.

  3. This leaves 4 metrics remaining:

a. Health b. MR c. Health regen d. Mana

I personally think we should cut mana and health, leaving regen and MR since this was largely taken by supports who could use a few more defensive items. I'd love to hear some feedback, but I've been an advocate (personally, not publicly) for shaking up some of the dead items. At the end of the day, if they gave Banner the Point Runner passive I'd be a happy man.

8 Comments

Deep Terror Nami4 votes

Point Runner is gained through Raptor Cloak, so keep in mind the cost and stat change by including it over Shroud or Aegis.

Personally, I'd rather they just make Ohmwrecker better.

RookPusher1 votes

Well I'd love it if they made everything better, but the question is how do we break the mandatory Redemption/Locket cycle? We'd need to either make an item with a better ROI, or merge things to create new opportunities not currently occupied with Redemption/Locket.

By and large, Supports need speed. Especially if we're now in the business of roaming to help allies during the lane phase. While Point Runner doesn't exactly resolve this specific issue, more MS seems logical.

Moreover, I think the Promote feature is a great way for Supports to have more of an engaging game play while also building up some extra gold and split pushing safely. Promoted minions aren't at the place of old Zz'rot Portal, but their better than Ohmwrecker. This means that there's a pretty big skill gap with Banner of Command's Promotion. People who can't read the enemy won't get much value from it. Those who can read the enemy do.

It is, in my mind, what Support items really ought to be. Big on strategy, tactical decision making, and if we add a little bit of speed to it, meaning the set-up on a well placed Promotion is less taxing to the support, then we're on our way to building a better Support Role.

Also, thanks for responding. I got downvoted twice and you're the only one who bothered to explain themselves.

Deep Terror Nami2 votes

Random thought; what if Zz'rot gave passing allied minions Point Runner?

RookPusher1 votes

I'd be on board with that. The portal was way too strong, but it's current state needs an upgrade. E.g. if it's range, and push ability have been hamstrung that much, then towers shouldn't target them.

I mentioned how strategic you need to be with the banner, but the portal leaves little room between clowns and seasoned veterans. The room for it to be successful has such a small window that it's hard to tell if someone is bad with its placement or just unlucky.

Since you seem interested, Nami, would you mind telling what reservations you had with my original suggestion?

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

It's not that I am against the proposed change to Banner, it's that I think Ohmwrecker has a lot of potentional and would prefer it is improved rather than removed (and since Point Runner comes from Raptor Cloak and not Ohmwrecker, removing Ohm isn't necessary to give that ability to Banner).

RookPusher1 votes

I guess why question to you is "Which AP supports start taking it, and based on which improvement?"

My issue with Ohmwrecker is that it's active isn't really useful is a weak-tower season. And if you're going to get Raptor Cloak, it's smarter to roll item 3069 since it covers the speed issue I mentioned, and it has a GI/CDR element to it.

Ohmwrecker strikes me as a weak version of a few other items.

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

The thing about weak towers is actually ok concerning what I'd like to see with Ohmwrecker. I want it to also be able to power up your own turrets. As it stands, regardless of the power of towers, if you are not on the offensive then Ohmwrecker is 100% worthless; with the ability to buff your tower as well then it'll have use when on the defensive too.

RookPusher1 votes

Ok now we're talking. God, imagine if OW operated like Azir's passive? Now that's an item I can get behind.

Tower dive this, sucker.

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